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    WASHINGTON (May 15) - Commercial banks and other financial institutions need to beef up their ability to detect and protect themselves against risks like the credit and mortgage debacles, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday.

    The trio of crises - housing, credit and financial - have exposed weaknesses in financial firms' so-called risk-management practices. That is their ability to sufficiently detect and hedge against risks. Banks and other financial players have racked up multibillion-dollar losses when investments in complex mortgage-backed securities soured with the collapse of the housing market. Credit problems in housing quickly spread to other areas, intensifying the turmoil.

    "Improvements in banks' risk management will provide a more-stable financial system by making firms more resilient to shocks," Bernanke said in a speech to a Federal Reserve banking conference in Chicago.

    Banks need to improve upon efforts to identify and measure risk, value their assets and liabilities, and prepare for "liquidity" disruptions, when access to cash or the ability to smoothly buy and sell can be impaired, the Fed chief said.

    Regulators also need to bolster their oversight, Bernanke said.

    "It is clear that supervisors must redouble their efforts to help organizations improve their risk-management practices," Bernanke said. "We have focused on the institutions in most need of improvement, but we will continue to remind the stronger institutions of the need to remain vigilant, particularly in light of the ongoing fragility of market conditions," he added.

    Bernanke also called upon banks and other financial institutions to step up efforts to raise capital.

    "Importantly, capital raising and balance sheet repair allow for the extension of new credit, which supports economic expansion," he said. "I strongly urge financial institutions to remain proactive in their capital-raising efforts. Doing so not only helps the broader economy but positions firms to take advantage of new profit opportunities as conditions in the financial markets and the economy improve."

    In his speech and fielding questions afterward, Bernanke did not give clues about the Fed's next move on interest rates or discuss the state of the U.S. economy.

    To brace the wobbly economy, the Fed last month cut a key interest rate by one-quarter percentage point to 2 percent. At the same time, policymakers indicated that their rate-cutting campaign, which started in September, could be drawing to a close. They are hopeful that the Fed's powerful dose of rate cuts along with the government's $168 billion stimulus package of tax rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses will lift the country out of its slump later this year.

    If the Fed does leave rates alone for a while, economists believe the central bank will focus more on its other efforts to help banks and big investment firms overcome credit stresses.

    After a run on Bear Stearns pushed the nation's fifth-largest investment bank to the brink of bankruptcy in March, fears grew that others might be in jeopardy, given major stresses in credit and financial markets at that time.

    Scrambling to avert a market meltdown, the Fed - in the broadest use of the central bank's lending authority since the 1930s - agreed in March to temporarily let investment firms obtain emergency financing from the Fed, a privilege previously granted only to commercial banks. That's one of the Fed's most significant actions.

    The Fed also has moved to make cash loans to commercial banks and to make super-safe Treasury securities available to investment firms. All these efforts are aimed at bolstering confidence and getting firms to behave in a more normal fashion so they'll be more inclined to lend to each other, consumers and businesses.

    Over the years, the explosion of financial players and products has raised questions in academic and other circles about banks' role in credit markets and the financial system. Bernanke said the recent episodes of financial turmoil show that banks still play a "central role" in the credit system.

    "In that respect, the problems, the losses that have been experienced by financial institutions, which have impacted their credit positions, do have some consequences for the broader economy," Bernanke said.

    "What we're seeing right now is that firms are hunkering down. They have taken a lot of losses. They've at least partially replaced those losses with new capital raising but not entirely," he added. "They're also being very protective of their liquidity ... and, therefore, they're being rather conservative in making new loans, which has implications for the broader economy."

    AP Business Writer Dave Carpenter contributed to this report from Chicago.


    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may

    #2
    I hope it is harder. I really cringe when I see people buying houses with no down payment. Chances are that if someone is responsible enough to save 10-20% that they are less likely to default. That is common knowledge in the mortgage industry and is reflected in the risk ration of the client. Also, no doc loans are a totally irresponsible product as are interest only and ARM mortgages. People who use these products are more likely to default as well. Companies like Capital one giving loans without verifying income need to stop as well.

    I am all for more discriminatory credit practices. We plan on staying out of trouble this time around. If we ever buy another house, we will put 20% down rather than the 10% of last time. We will have emergency savings, etc....I will not get caught up in predatory lending etc...
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      #3
      What floors me is that all the while predatory lending was going on, no one made a peep about being careful as to predatory lending and being knowledgeable about signing those mortgage or loan papers. I never saw seminars or classes given by anyone as to handling ARM or other predatory-lending approaches or paperwork. Now it seems everyone and their uncle (I am talking about state, county, banks, etc.) are giving free "avoiding foreclosure" seminars right and left and everywhere inbetween! Where were they before when the information could have been utilized before signing those predatory lending papers? Everytime you open the newspaper now, there are notices listing free seminars on avoiding foreclosure, avoiding the scams, etc.
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      Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
      Early Buy-Out: April 2006
      Discharge: August 2006

      "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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        #4
        There were some folks talking against them like Dave Ramsey. However as you point out they were mostly folks that were marginalized by mainstream media at the time.

        As for credit, I think it is going to get much harder to get. Those 100% loans are probably going to become something of the past.

        Looking back on my own life, I think the thresh hold at which you qualify for credit needs to be raised. They give credit cards to folks making as little as 15k a year. Maybe raise it to twice the median income of your state of residence. That in itself would probably solve many problems, though many Americans would feel the sting as they learn to live within their means.
        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
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          #5
          I think now you have to have a 720 or higher FICO to qualify for most things.

          And just because someone saves 10-20%, doesn't mean they will be responsible when paying for their house.

          The double median income in their state would solve it for some but not for all. There are many people with a lot of income that have filed for BK.

          I think people need to educate themselves and not rely on the gov't to do it.
          Last edited by Cali; 05-17-2008, 07:37 AM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by JRScott View Post
            There were some folks talking against them like Dave Ramsey. However as you point out they were mostly folks that were marginalized by mainstream media at the time.

            As for credit, I think it is going to get much harder to get. Those 100% loans are probably going to become something of the past.

            Looking back on my own life, I think the thresh hold at which you qualify for credit needs to be raised. They give credit cards to folks making as little as 15k a year. Maybe raise it to twice the median income of your state of residence. That in itself would probably solve many problems, though many Americans would feel the sting as they learn to live within their means.

            This may be a little off topic, but I have noticed in my employment history that having moved from a position that paid monthly, then to twice a month, then every two weeks, then finally weekly, there is little incentive there to discipline oneself to live in a budget. It's too easy to live paycheck to paycheck, especially if it comes weekly. Now that we are presently trying to live on my husband's SS, his paltry little pension, (which goes to the car note) and the pay from my part-time job--all of which are paid monthly and in the same week of the month--we are finding it hard to make it stretch the other three weeks.

            My full-time job was 'out-sourced' Oct. 1, 2007. I do have some applications in at various places, but have not heard anything back yet.

            When we do get back on our feet financially, we want to use cash as much as possible and try to stay away from the false security of a credit card.
            Last edited by AngelinaCat; 05-17-2008, 08:00 AM.
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              #7
              Get rich quick

              Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
              What floors me is that all the while predatory lending was going on, no one made a peep about being careful as to predatory lending and being knowledgeable about signing those mortgage or loan papers.
              IMO, these lenders probably knew a fallout was going to happen, but they made their millions as quickly as possible and then closed up shop when the $!@# hit the fan. I read a news article last week in our paper about the CEO's of some of these lenders left/retired, but with tens-of-millions in bonuses.
              Bankruptcy History:
              Chapter 7 filed - 10/12/2005 - Asset
              Discharged - 02/16/2006
              Case Closed - 11/08/2007

              A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain ~ Mark Twain

              All suggestions are based on personal experience and research and SHOULD NOT be construed as legal advice as I am NOT an attorney. Always consult with competent counsel in your area with regards to your particular situation.

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                #8
                Originally posted by BassBoy View Post
                IMO, these lenders probably knew a fallout was going to happen, but they made their millions as quickly as possible and then closed up shop when the $!@# hit the fan. I read a news article last week in our paper about the CEO's of some of these lenders left/retired, but with tens-of-millions in bonuses.
                Locally, the CEO/President (don't have the company name on hand) of a mortgage company who resided in Northern NJ jumped off the Delaware Memorial Bridge (huge bridge connecting NJ and DE) after the company started going down...Just at the time all the stuff started to hit the papers about what was coming...
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                Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
                Early Buy-Out: April 2006
                Discharge: August 2006

                "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cali View Post
                  And just because someone saves 10-20%, doesn't mean they will be responsible when paying for their house.
                  Statistics say that the more an owner puts down, the less likely they are to default, hence getting better rates with a larger down payment, etc... It's not just me saying this. It's a fact. This was explained to me when we bought our home. Everyone was telling us to go 0% down and I talked to several experts and decided to go w/ a larger down payment. We got a better rate. And, when we had to sell our home b/c of our finances, if we would not haver made the down payment, we would have lost money, despite the fact that our house went up in value. After real estate fees and having to get the house perfect to show and pass inspection, we would have owed on a house we didn't own.

                  After looking back and figuring it out, we figured that we would have been WAY better off renting a nice apartment and putting all of the upkeep $$$ into the bank anyway. We would have had way more $$ than we made off the house, plus we would have still have had our downpayment.This is where we will be going now. Renting for a while and saving for a VERY large down payment, and emergency fund.
                  Filed 4-21-2008
                  7/16- DISCHARGED!!!!

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                    #10
                    I don't think the size of the down payment matters as much as the ability to make the payments.
                    IF the banks would look closer and verify real income and expenses to get a true feel for the debt to income ratio, a lot of these problems could be avoided.
                    You can put 20% down on a place, but if you have to struggle to make that monthly payment, things are going to get ugly.

                    When we got our house 17 years ago, we only put 3% down.
                    That was all we could afford, because, lets face it. When you are low income, you don't have a lot of savings.
                    But we had no problem making the house payments since our payments were less than what we were paying in rent prior to that.

                    When we refinanced about 10 years ago, we had a ton of equity in the house due to steady payments and the value of the home going up.
                    Enough that we could get rid of the darn PMI insurance too, which was great.
                    And even with everything that has gone wrong the past few years, we have still never had a problem making our house payment.

                    Now, as for credit cards.
                    I don't think it is so much an issue of how much you make to get one.
                    But they should base the credit limit on how much you make.
                    Even people who make under the median income still need a card for things like shopping online, or hotel reservations.
                    But they don't need a card with a credit limit that is more than they make a year.
                    I think if they want to avoid risk, then they need to limit total credit card limits to about 10% of income.
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                    11/20/10 - discharged and closed

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BassBoy View Post
                      IMO, these lenders probably knew a fallout was going to happen, but they made their millions as quickly as possible and then closed up shop when the $!@# hit the fan. I read a news article last week in our paper about the CEO's of some of these lenders left/retired, but with tens-of-millions in bonuses.
                      Bingo!
                      they didnt think it was going to be this bad, thought the hint would small
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                      3.23.08
                      341
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                        What floors me is that all the while predatory lending was going on, no one made a peep about being careful as to predatory lending and being knowledgeable about signing those mortgage or loan papers. I never saw seminars or classes given by anyone as to handling ARM or other predatory-lending approaches or paperwork. Now it seems everyone and their uncle (I am talking about state, county, banks, etc.) are giving free "avoiding foreclosure" seminars right and left and everywhere inbetween! Where were they before when the information could have been utilized before signing those predatory lending papers? Everytime you open the newspaper now, there are notices listing free seminars on avoiding foreclosure, avoiding the scams, etc.
                        You also gotta love how when the lenders dug themselves a hole and jumped in, the Fed took top priority into saving them and cared little for everyday people. Even those who never bought an ARM were hit by the economic aftermath, through both job loss and inflation.

                        But it's great to hear people are becoming more educated on how to properly purchase a home. Hopefully we won't be repeating our mistakes.
                        Last edited by Pizza; 06-09-2008, 06:59 PM.
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                          #13
                          Sure, make it harder to get credit, that's all fine and well. But also, make it harder for creditors to raise interest rates and charge crazy fees. No one should get credit at 20% interest. If your credit is that bad, you shouldn't get a loan. If someone can't qualify for something below 10%, then they can't afford a loan. Really, it should be illegal to charge more than 10% on anything. If it requires a 720 FICO score to get, great!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jenopher View Post
                            Sure, make it harder to get credit, that's all fine and well. But also, make it harder for creditors to raise interest rates and charge crazy fees. No one should get credit at 20% interest. If your credit is that bad, you shouldn't get a loan. If someone can't qualify for something below 10%, then they can't afford a loan. Really, it should be illegal to charge more than 10% on anything. If it requires a 720 FICO score to get, great!
                            I like your thinking!
                            Filed Joint, No Asset, > $100,000 Unsecured Ch.7 6/7/13 ~~ 341 Meeting 7/15/13 ~~ Discharged 9/16/13 !!

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                              #15
                              Tay666 I completely agree with your post. Jenopher too. How I had credit 3 times my income was insane. Yes - I take responsibility for my mistakes. But also, these lenders saw me as having a huge "SUCKER" written on my forehead. And what's sad is I was. And all these years of thinking I had my finances under control - the truth is I had no clue.
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                              341 July 1, 2008
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