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    #16
    RE: OT

    First of all, I commend you for doing your best to try to pay back your debt. The bankruptcy laws are designed for people like you -- people who are doing their best to dig themselves out of a hole that may be just a little bit too deep.

    The answer to your question is this: Yes, working overtime will affect your payment schedule. The reason is, when you file for bankruptcy under Chapter 13, the bankruptcy court creates a repayment plan, under which you repay creditors over three to five years. Income from the previous six months is used to calculate an average, which is then used to help determine your monthly payment. After your Chapter 13 payment plan is initiated, you need to keep the trustee informed when your income increases or decreases. Your trustee may seek to increase your payment accordingly.

    Changes made to the bankruptcy laws in 2005 hold attorneys to tougher ethical standards. While I would advise you to stop killing yourself with overtime (unless it is absolutely necessary), it may be bad faith if I told you to quit you job in order to qualify for bankruptcy. Your bankruptcy petition would have to indicate that your income will be increasing soon after the bankruptcy. This would look suspicious.

    Personally, I am not a big fan of Chapter 13 plans. The purpose of a Chapter 13 plan is to protect an asset such as a home. It's a good idea, but the costs are considerable. The plan takes up to five years. In an economy where your income may fluctuate, this makes them especially hard to get through. Chapter 13 bankruptcies have a low completion rate. In a Chapter 13, you will need to put every available dollar into your plan payment either until the debt is paid in full or you complete the three- to five-year payment plan. You will find it very difficult to save anything or prepare for emergencies until you receive your bankruptcy discharge.

    Some people who file Chapter 13 end up needing to convert to Chapter 7. This entails additional expenses. You may not be able to maintain your Chapter 13 payment plan, but you may also have too many assets to qualify for Chapter 7. Suddenly, you're facing the prospect of having your debts come back to life. Plus, you cannot get the bankruptcy off your credit report for the next 10 years once it has been filed. That's not good.

    Instead, I tend to advise clients, if possible, to file Chapter 7 bankruptcy or to use available assets to negotiate a deal with their creditors. While it seems natural to want to protect the assets, I've found that an immediate settlement with a fresh start can be superior to a five-year payment plan.
    Chapter13
    100% unsecured/secured payback
    "WAITING FOR DISCHARGE" DONE!

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      #17
      they go back 6 weeks and average it out unless he made ot over those weeks it will affect the pay plan, but other then that they will average your pay back and this also can be adjusted if it changes over a period of time during the time your in bk, also you are allowed 20000.00 dollars of assets to keep for each person under bk. good luck
      Chapter13
      100% unsecured/secured payback
      "WAITING FOR DISCHARGE" DONE!

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        #18
        Hopefully I will be getting a call from our atty today. My husband works at the Space Center here in central Florida, so there may be a chance that he does not have a job at all in the near future. After working there for 29 years . So many things going on right now I really do not know what the right direction will be for us to take. The reason for the Chapter 13 is so we can strip a 90K second mortgage. We will still be $30K upside down, better than $120K. Sometimes I wonder.... is the house even worth the battle.

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          #19
          Originally posted by LEINSTRIPPIN View Post
          Hopefully I will be getting a call from our atty today. My husband works at the Space Center here in central Florida, so there may be a chance that he does not have a job at all in the near future. After working there for 29 years . So many things going on right now I really do not know what the right direction will be for us to take. The reason for the Chapter 13 is so we can strip a 90K second mortgage. We will still be $30K upside down, better than $120K. Sometimes I wonder.... is the house even worth the battle.
          If you can get a CH7 take it. Once your personal liability is discharged, you can try to buy out the lien. The second lien holder will be hanging on to a useless piece of paper that they can't reasonably foreclose on and aren't likely to see anything if you were to allow the home to go back to the bank (first lien). It is the path that I should have taken, but I was a little short sighted and focused on the lien stripping aspect.

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            #20
            At this time we make to much for a chapter7. So we have decided to hold off till June to file, so we can get additional paystubs without overtime. Or very little overtime. And by then we should know if my husband is going to have a job. Hopefully we can hold off the creditors for that long. The HELOC with GMAC does not even call anymore, the offered us a lump some settlement, however it is to much. Flagstar bank calls almost everyday and asks us if we have a case number. And since we told BofA(credit card) that we are filing we have not heard from them again. I just don't know if it will last another 3 months. I was thinking of trying our luck at getting everyone to settle w/out Bk. However, I think Flagstar would be the one that would not (50K 2nd). We are 9 mos deliquent on the GMAC. We owe $260 total- house was just appraised @ $143 or 1st mortgage which is current is $171K. Any thoughts are appreciated.

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              #21
              OT is included in the 6 Month look back. I just waited an extra 3 Months to file Chapter 13, because I worked 800+ Hrs OT last year (@ Straight Time Pay). AND I KNOW I WILL NOT BE WORKING those knd of hours this year!!! So, it was in my best interest to wait until the hours per week went back to 40s.
              Side note... The Overtime Money I made went to cover CC bills (covered the mins and some) So, I busted my hump just to pay the creditors yet in the end to file Chapter 13.
              Live and Learn I suppose!
              Filed Chapter 13 - 18MAR10 ~ 341 - 10MAY10 ~ Confirmation Denied - 12MAY10 :unsure: ~ Motion to Dismiss - 12MAY10 :cry: ~ Withdrawal of Motion to Dismiss - 01JUN10 :cool: ~ Trustee now Recommends Confirmation - 01JUN10 :clapping: ~ Plan Confirmed - 04JUN10 ~ Only 4Yrs 9Months left in Plan :D

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                #22
                LEINSTRIPPIN,
                Can you suggest a good ch13/ch17 attorney S. FL area. I may run into same situation as you have been and will need a competent attorney. You can PM me.

                Thanks

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