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    #16
    I found this from an attorney site....

    3) neither listed nor scheduled under section 521(1) of this title, with the name, if known to the debtor, of the creditor to whom such debt is owed, in time to permit--
    (A) if such debt is not of a kind specified in paragraph (2), (4), or (6) of this subsection, timely filing of a proof of claim, unless such creditor had notice or actual knowledge of the case in time for such timely filing; or
    (B) if such debt is of a kind specified in paragraph (2), (4), or (6) of this subsection, timely filing of a proof of claim and timely request for a determination of dischargeability of such debt under one of such paragraphs, unless such creditor had notice or actual knowledge of the case in time for such timely filing and request;


    Here are the paragraphs

    Paragraph 2

    (A) false pretenses, a false representation, or actual fraud, other than a statement respecting the debtor’s or an insider’s financial condition;
    (B) use of a statement in writing--
    (i) that is materially false;
    (ii) respecting the debtor’s or an insider’s financial condition;
    (iii) on which the creditor to whom the debtor is liable for such money, property, services, or credit reasonably relied; and
    (iv) that the debtor caused to be made or published with intent to deceive; or
    (C)
    (i) for purposes of subparagraph (A)--
    (I) consumer debts owed to a single creditor and aggregating more than $500 [$550] for luxury goods or services incurred by an individual debtor on or within 90 days before the order for relief under this title are presumed to be nondischargeable; and
    (II) cash advances aggregating more than $750 [$825] that are extensions of consumer credit under an open end credit plan obtained by an individual debtor on or within 70 days before the order for relief under this title, are presumed to be nondischargeable; and
    [Dollar amounts in subsections 523(a)(2)(C)(i) and (ii) are adjusted on April 1 every 3 years by section 104. Adjusted amounts effective 4-1-07 are in brackets.]
    (ii) for purposes of this subparagraph--
    (I) the terms "consumer", "credit", and "open end credit plan" have the same meanings as in section 103 of the Truth in Lending Act; and
    (II) the term "luxury goods or services" does not include goods or services reasonably necessary for the support or maintenance of the debtor or a dependent of the debtor.

    Paragraph 4

    (4) for fraud or defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity, embezzlement, or larceny;

    Paragraph 6

    (6) for willful and malicious injury by the debtor to another entity or to the property of another entity;

    So in the end it wold probably cost you a lot of $$$ to fight this in court. For a T-Mobile bill of $500 I don't think it'd be worth hiring an attorney. This is probably why my attorney stressed the importance of listing all my creditors.
    Last edited by chad9162; 06-23-2009, 10:08 PM.

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      #17
      Originally posted by chad9162 View Post
      I disagree with your statement. Asset vs No Asset has nothing to do with discharging a creditor that IS NOT listed in your BK. Now to come think of it my attorney asked me several times if I listed everyone (debts/creditors) and if I didn't it wouldn't be discharged.

      BK is a court proceeding and a "RECORD" must be created. The record would start with your paperwork. In fact, if you didn't list a creditor how would they receive notice? In the court Notice is everything. How would they object if they never knew there was an action against them.

      There is a lot of misinformation on these forums.
      Thank you, I will go ahead and pay for the amendment. Although I believe I still have to serve them myself anyway...

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        #18
        Originally posted by bkmaggster View Post
        Thank you, I will go ahead and pay for the amendment. Although I believe I still have to serve them myself anyway...
        Actually, you were "technically" right. I edited my post to clear things up. I would still amend though....

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          #19
          Originally posted by chad9162 View Post
          Actually, you were "technically" right. I edited my post to clear things up. I would still amend though....
          But what you made me realize is that $29 is worth being really right, and not just technically right, you know? I have a master's degree but reading the applicable law you posted just made my eyes cross.

          I'd rather be safe. Thank you for your input!

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            #20
            Originally posted by bkmaggster View Post
            Lol, GMAC paid $150 to file a motion for relief of stay. So stupid. We called to surrender it last week, but the woman was so abusive DH just hung up.

            I'll call them and try again. They seem dead set on repo-ing the thing and making a scene, and that's just not going to happen.
            They have to legally. They can't really take possession of the car without one.
            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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              #21
              Originally posted by bkmaggster View Post
              I was able to get a tmobile prepaid sim card for $7 and stick that in my cell phone, so I'm set for phone service.

              Question: Do I need to amend the BK to include TMobile? I am no asset. Can I just serve them notice without going back down to the courthouse and amending the petition? We owe ~$250 plus whatever they are going to charge as an ETF fee (there was less than a month left on the contract).

              Question #2: How do I arrange for the surrender of the car to GMAC? I want it out of here and to stop paying the insurance.
              Yes since the debt was incurred prior to filing you need to amend and include TMobile.

              GMAC is already working on getting the car, once the relief is granted they'll contact you so that they can arrange pick up of the vehicle.
              May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
              July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
              September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                #22
                Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                They have to legally. They can't really take possession of the car without one.
                Are you implying I can't give the car back until the stay is lifted at the end of July? Because that is nuts. I do not want this car, I want to give it back. I'm thinking of driving it over to the lawyers office who filed the motion and handing her the keys...I know it sounds ridiculous, but I seriously have no idea how to get rid of this car.

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                  #23
                  Take the car to a GM dealership and hand the keys to the finance manager. Walk away.
                  Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by OhioFiler View Post
                    Take the car to a GM dealership and hand the keys to the finance manager. Walk away.
                    It's not a GM, so I'm not sure if I could take it to a GM dealership. I believe GMAC is a separate entity, could be wrong. I doubt a finance manager at a GM dealership is going to give me a surrender receipt.

                    OhioFiler, have you surrendered a vehicle? Is this how you did it?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by bkmaggster View Post
                      It's not a GM, so I'm not sure if I could take it to a GM dealership. I believe GMAC is a separate entity, could be wrong. I doubt a finance manager at a GM dealership is going to give me a surrender receipt.

                      OhioFiler, have you surrendered a vehicle? Is this how you did it?
                      No I have not.

                      You don't need a surrender receipt. You can wait for the legal process to run its course or you can take matters into your own hands. It seems reading your posts that getting rid of this car quickly is of utmost importance. I merely offer suggestions of how you can accomplish this act.

                      Are you most concerned about the car being repoed from your driveway? Take it to a GM dealer, leave the keys with the Finance Manager and Call GMAC yourself and advise them where the vehicle is and who you gave the keys to at the store.
                      Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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                        #26
                        Actually since it is not a GM and its a GMAC I'd just wait for them to act, the stay will most likely be approved within a few days. They cannot contact you without lifting the stay, which is why they are doing it.

                        Most likely they have a repo man etc do the pick ups I'm guessing. You won't have to keep it the entire time.
                        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                          Actually since it is not a GM and its a GMAC I'd just wait for them to act, the stay will most likely be approved within a few days. They cannot contact you without lifting the stay, which is why they are doing it.

                          Most likely they have a repo man etc do the pick ups I'm guessing. You won't have to keep it the entire time.
                          No, the hearing to lift the stay isn't until the end of July, so it will not happen in a "few days." I understand why they are doing it - but it's stupid to me because we already called to arrange surrender and were treated abusively, so we hung up. They could have avoided all this if their collection agents were a little better trained.

                          I cannot afford to insure the car any longer, I only need it until tomorrow when family leaves town.

                          I do not want the car repossessed from my home, I want to take it somewhere and receive a receipt.

                          Thank you all for your input - but I'm really looking for an answer from someone who has actually surrendered their vehicle. Once I do it, I will be sure to share my experience.

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                            #28
                            You could always park it illegally in front of a fire hydrant. You'll have a receipt after the city has it towed to the impound lot..
                            Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by OhioFiler View Post
                              You could always park it illegally in front of a fire hydrant. You'll have a receipt after the city has it towed to the impound lot..
                              I LOVE it!

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