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    Some business trip!

    By Thomas Ferraro

    WASHINGTON, May 21 (Reuters) - The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' upcoming conference on a Hawaiian island sounds more like "a vacation than a business trip" to discuss the administration of justice, two Republican U.S. lawmakers charged on Monday.

    In a letter to Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, Senators Charles Grassley and Jeff Sessions wrote that Congress has an obligation to guard against "waste, fraud and abuse" and demanded details about the conference, set for Aug. 13-16 in Maui.

    The letter came in the wake of the disclosure of a lavish, four-day conference in Las Vegas in 2010 involving the General Services Administration, an independent agency of the federal government, that cost $823,000 and featured fine food, a comic, a clown and talent show.

    Democrats and Republicans denounced the GSA conference as a spending scandal, and quickly passed legislation to better guard against such gatherings.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco, covers eight western states plus Hawaii. It stood by its upcoming conference, describing it as an important gathering.

    Cathy Catterson, the court's executive, wrote that the 9th Circuit understands its responsibilities as a "steward of public funds" and that its conference is "authorized by law" to improve "the administration of justice."

    In a statement, Catterson also said recreational activities - such as fishing, golf, yoga and surfing - that will be offered between working sessions will be paid for by attendees, not the government.

    Based on a 2010 gathering by the court in Maui that drew 700 participants, the senators wrote that accommodations alone for the upcoming conference should cost upward of $500,000.

    Their letter was dated May 18 and released on Monday, along with statements by both senators.

    "This conference is further evidence the federal government is in a state of financial chaos," Sessions said.

    Grassley said: "A judicial circuit court should be capable of using technology to share information without requiring a trip to an island paradise."

    Republicans in Congress have long tangled with members of the 9th Circuit, who have consistently issued some of the most liberal rulings of any of the federal appeals courts.

    Grassley and Sessions asked the chief judge to respond by June 15 to 18 questions before any additional funds are spent for the conference.

    The conference is described on the court's website.

    The senators wrote that "the site makes clear that government funds are not to be used for any recreational or sporting activities and that court-related matters will be substantially considered."

    Regardless, they added, "the programs read more like a vacation than a business trip to discuss the means of improving the administration of justice." (Reporting By Thomas Ferraro; Editing by Paul Simao)

    #2
    We sent people to Hawaii to "investigate" Obama...

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      #3
      This trip is to Maui. When I was in the Army we had a word for this, but I can't print it here.

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        #4
        Cheezits... wish someone would send ME on a boondoggle! I'll "investigate"...

        Checks and balances seem to only apply to the "little people".... what a joke our gov't is. No wonder the world laughs at us...

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          #5
          what's wrong with one of the conference rooms in the white house???? really, this is OUT OF HAND!
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            #6
            You would think after the GSA boondoggle, they would be a little nervous about going to Maui!

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              #7
              Originally posted by tobee43 View Post
              what's wrong with one of the conference rooms in the white house????
              The White House is a long way from the 9th Circuit which includes California, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada and Arizona. If they are going to have a face-to-face meeting, wherever they hold it, people from eight states would have to travel. The Court claims that the travel and lodging costs of holding the meeting in Maui is comparable to holding it in other venues. I don't believe that. I know from personal experience that flying from San Francisco to Oregon, Washington or Nevada would be cheaper than to fly to Hawaii. Oftentimes, you can get flights to NY for cheaper than to Hawaii. So, maybe even traveling to the White House could save money.

              With the technology available today, they should do these meetings by video conference.

              Keep in mind that many professions have conferences like these where the attendees get their required continuing education and write off their registration, travel, lodging and food expenses on their income tax returns. Like the Court's conference, the schedules are full of optional recreational activities at additional cost. I'm not saying this to justify the court's conference. But, while the Senators are working to stop one excess, maybe they should stop the tax deductions taken by private employers and individuals for similar conferences in resort destinations.

              This reminds me of my prior boss who after receiving a brochure regarding a conference in Hawaii, told me that if he ever goes to one of those things as a way to write off a vacation, to shoot him on the spot.
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                #8
                They could just stay at a Holiday Inn Express... they may just learn something new LOL

                *oh lord..my brain hurts... couldnt think of anything else clever to write *

                Lady - is it strawberry margarita time yet? Pools almost warm enough....

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                  #9
                  Whats the big deal? 500,000 is cheap for a conference. Private firms with similar scope and number pay similar. Boy, we get so excited about trivial matters.

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                    #10
                    Jacko writes: Whats the big deal? 500,000 is cheap for a conference. Private firms with similar scope and number pay similar. Boy, we get so excited about trivial matters. Question? Jacko, do you happen to work for the GSA ha ?

                    This kinda of reminds me of the movie scarface (1980)

                    Tony Montana said in the movie:
                    a million here, a million there, you got it.
                    Last edited by DYLAN150; 05-24-2012, 06:33 AM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pandora View Post
                      Lady - is it strawberry margarita time yet? Pools almost warm enough....
                      I let the strawberries go bad last week! Farmer's market is today, so I'll be getting a new batch. I'm thinking Memorial Day margaritas.
                      LadyInTheRed is in the black!
                      Filed Chap 13 April 2010. Discharged May 2015.
                      $143,000 in debt discharged for $36,500, including attorneys fees. Money well spent!

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                        #12
                        I have been to conferences with that price tag. Nothing wrong about blowing off some steam. But not a peep when billions of development money was siphoned off in Iraq and Afghanistan.

                        Originally posted by DYLAN150 View Post
                        Jacko writes: Whats the big deal? 500,000 is cheap for a conference. Private firms with similar scope and number pay similar. Boy, we get so excited about trivial matters. Question? Jacko, do you happen to work for the GSA ha ?

                        This kinda of reminds me of the movie scarface (1980)

                        Tony Montana said in the movie:
                        a million here, a million there, you got it.

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