IF Society broke down for any reason, War, Storm, Inserection, how would you prepare?

[IamOld]

Yep, 5.9 - felt it seriously shake solid office tower - on 7th floor...funny thing is I just left building AFTERWARDS...building handled it well.

BUT couldn't get thru to my daughter at home, so as soon as we were allowed back, I left - good thing too - MASSIVE traffic jams followed...

Interestingly text messages worked...SLOWLY....

[tobee43]

Yep, 5.9 - felt it seriously shake solid office tower - on 7th floor...funny thing is I just left building AFTERWARDS...building handled it well.

BUT couldn't get thru to my daughter at home, so as soon as we were allowed back, I left - good thing too - MASSIVE traffic jams followed...

Interestingly text messages worked...SLOWLY....

i'm just so glad you are safe and sound!!! we just got word via my other niece in LA that my OTHER niece is NOT in washington dc today, but in MI on business!!!

is this the end of the world as we know it???? name that song!

[Pandora]

OK, guys: Case in point, right now at 2:04pm today, on TV just announced cannot get through phone lines to Washington D.C. and area due to 6.2 R earthquake. Need I say more??? 'Hub

you're gonna get a spanking Mr No more talk of doom and gloom... my nerves cant take it.

Where the hell is that bottle of wine when I need it? LOL

[AngelinaCatHub]

you're gonna get a spanking Mr No more talk of doom and gloom... my nerves cant take it.

Where the hell is that bottle of wine when I need it? LOL

I stand corrected on the 6.2 but I'm hearing all kind of numbers. No one killed to date. Pray none are. As to your wine Ms. Pandora, I have mine, I keep a gallon a day per adult in my emergency plan. What's with this water thing?

The thread was meant to summon up anything at all. BUT, what an example of what this thread is all about. Also, remember, you could be out of town, I came up with this brilliant idea. Why not have a knapsack (hikers bag??) with an emergency get-away kit in the trunk of your car. 'Hub

[tobee43]

you're gonna get a spanking Mr No more talk of doom and gloom... my nerves cant take it.

Where the hell is that bottle of wine when I need it? LOL

here!!!! here!!


you can thank me later

[AngelinaCatHub]

here!!!! here!!


you can thank me later

Wow. Good ambiance, fine colour, full bodied. Sure looks better than my Ripple. Can I have some?

[tobee43]

RIPPLE!!! I KNOW RIPPLE!!!!ROFL!!!

ahhhhhhhhh...my old highschool days behind the rec building in the park, i couldnt even keep it down for 2 minutes without it coming right back up!!! my favorite was the bubbles. how about Red Mountain Wine...i don't even think that had a grape in it

[AngelinaCatHub]

RIPPLE!!! I KNOW RIPPLE!!!!ROFL!!!

ahhhhhhhhh...my old highschool days behind the rec building in the park, i couldnt even keep it down for 2 minutes without it coming right back up!!! my favorite was the bubbles. how about Red Mountain Wine...i don't even think that had a grape in it

Well, when we leased our farm out to a flower grower, one of his Mexican workers swore that Thunderbird was the best, but I preferred 20/20 on a cold freeze. One half pint of that and you would be warm for an hour. Couldn't walk well but at least warm.

[tobee43]

Well, when we leased our farm out to a flower grower, one of his Mexican workers swore that Thunderbird was the best, but I preferred 20/20 on a cold freeze. One half pint of that and you would be warm for an hour. Couldn't walk well but at least warm.

now that is disgusting!!! in florida to try to get warm....what on a 100 degree day with a sip of thunderbird yuck! and thunderbird i KNOW has no grapes LOL!!

[Pandora]

I stand corrected on the 6.2 but I'm hearing all kind of numbers. No one killed to date. Pray none are. As to your wine Ms. Pandora, I have mine, I keep a gallon a day per adult in my emergency plan. What's with this water thing?

The thread was meant to summon up anything at all. BUT, what an example of what this thread is all about. Also, remember, you could be out of town, I came up with this brilliant idea. Why not have a knapsack (hikers bag??) with an emergency get-away kit in the trunk of your car. 'Hub

Actually 'Hub - we have 3 of the ER kits (in backpacks) and they're great for those "just in case" situations. Last night after we got the third aftershock (1st real strong one -4.2), it was time to get into gear, threw the backpacks along with 2 days of clothing, medications, cat food, cash etc into the RV. Just enough to last 2 days or so should we get another quake and the house be too damaged to enter. Still no power down the road - banks and all stores closed (hence why we put cash in our ER kit); we're lucky as we usually keep power when everyone else loses it. Hopefully today will be calm...

Thanks Tobee! Mmmm speaking of wine - try Duplin Carolina Red - its a muscadine wine and boy oh boy..will it get you in T-R-O-U-B-L-E quickly! Goes down much too easy but sure did settle the nerves

[Freddy03]

I saw this preview last night on TV.

"TLC REVEALS THE SHOCKING LIFESTYLES OF FAMILIES PREPARING FOR THE END OF THE WORLD IN LIVIN’ FOR THE APOCALYPSE"

-- One-Hour Special Premieres Sunday, August 28 at 10 PM ET/PT --

[IamOld]

OMG.

Of course there is an argument to be made that if enough people BELIEVE this will happen, it may become a self-fulfilling (pardon the unintended pun) prophecy.

I saw this preview last night on TV.

"TLC REVEALS THE SHOCKING LIFESTYLES OF FAMILIES PREPARING FOR THE END OF THE WORLD IN LIVIN’ FOR THE APOCALYPSE"

-- One-Hour Special Premieres Sunday, August 28 at 10 PM ET/PT --

[AngelinaCatHub]

The best argument for preperations

I came across this movie last night on youtube looking for 2012 stuff. I just could not put it down but warning this is 2.5 hrs. Don't start it unless you have the time because it is more than enlightening.

No it is not biased against 'Bammy but points to all the crooks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

'Hub

[mlsj2009]

What would happen?

I am a realist, not a doomsdayer by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it is wise to prepare for any bad times, like the break down of government or a collapse of the economy. Historically, that happened in the 1930s during the Depression. Less chaos than you would expect happened. Instead of turning on each other, most turned inward toward their community, friends, and relatives.

The same most likely will happen again in the case of a similar scenario. Governments won't stop existing overnight and the collapse won't be as sudden like you see in the movies where there is a sudden catastrophic happening across the country that immediately throws us into chaos (ie. like a nuclear holocaust, or Yellowstone blowing up etc.).

No, change comes much more subtle. What I think most of you are really feeling right now is that subtle change before a storm. It is not likely, barring a catastrophic event, the US will stop functioning so that we all have to rely on our survival skills, but there can be another complete collapse of the stock market, we can default on our national debt, unemployment can rise to 50% or more, inflation along with interest can sky rocket, and our dollar may devalue to almost nothing. All these things can happen suddenly, but most likely, they will not happen at the same time if they do happen at all. Preparation and avoidance are both simple processes.

To prepare for such financial calamities, investments might be in precious metals, short term bonds, foreign currencies and the like. All of these have historically protected peoples' assets from inflation and high interest, and the devaluation of the dollar. All of these instruments helped people survive the first Depression and will help you survive another one.

Avoiding these financial calamities is also a simple process as well, but is not happening because of political greed and corruption. Our GDP is $14 trillion a year right now, about the same as our national dept. We turn over the GDP about 7 times a year. A 1% sir-tax on the goods and services in the US with no one exemptions for anyone will produce $980 billion in one year. Not rocket science. We could technically run all local, state, and federal budgets on that amount (not counting national debt) and not have an income tax, property tax, or any other sales tax.

Why don't our politicians not do this? Control. Big business is in bed with the politicians who receive lobbying money from that group, and big business can control the masses under the existing system. The middle-class and poor class suffer the most under this system while CEOs across the nation whoop it up and live their hedonistic lifestyle of choice. Less than 5% of this nations population controls over 90% of the wealth. Go figure.

Why should they give up all of that just for a bunch of poor ignorant citizens? You want to really stop this?

Survivalists play into big business and the politicians hands. You are quiet, scared, and terrorized with every ultra conservative broadcast. You dutifully await for the holocaust, but again, it isn't likely to happen. That is why China and those other countries are not worried.

What will happen if we continue the way we are is that unemployment will rise, people will huddle together, soup lines will form, and the masses in America will await their next great political savior.
What would stop all of this? Forming a viable third party that emphasizes individual rights instead of collectivist mentality. When we as individuals do what is best for the group, who gets to decide what that is? When your individual rights are protected, your rights stop at the end of your nose because you cannot violate the rights of the other individuals. Thus, all society is protected. No one is asked to give up their rights for the benefit of others. Therefore, everyone can survive.

By the way, Collectivism leads to every kind of political system that is contrary to our Constitution. Socialism, communism, and fascism are just a few ideas spawned from collectivist mentality. Most nationalism also entices its citizens to be moved by what someone decides is best for the group as a whole, thus, we get into wars unnecessarily that way. Instead of doing what our founding fathers suggested in the first place, make no alliance with any nation, we make alliances with all nations buying our vassals with tax dollars and for what purpose? Not for the citizens of the US, but for big business and their political cohorts who run our governments and have their pockets lined.

I liked John Kennedy but he was a collectivist. He said, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." - collectivist mentality. Every President since, for the exception of maybe Jimmy Carter, has been a collectivist ruling the masses with terror of not doing what is best for the group. Nonsense! If we protected individual rights, the group would be much better off.

What would happen to our economy if there was no sales tax (other than one use tax), not income tax, and no property tax. Do you think the individuals would prosper under those conditions? What about big business? Wouldn't it prosper too? So, why doesn't big business go for this no income tax, sales tax or property tax?

Simple. They can't stand the competition. It is all about control. They want to keep the average individual subservient to their demands and wishes, plain and simple. Under the existing system, their money buys votes and the laws the buy favor them. If you don't believe me, what was the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 all about?

[IamOld]

MLSJ - I think you're very correct about society "ending' in a whimper rather than a "bang." Yet, I wouldn't put social-democracy in the same bag as soviet-style (or Chinese) style communism, fascism, or state capitalism.

I have ZERO - and I underline ZERO doubt that, for example, Japan would survive, and so would Continental Europe. I leave out the UK because the gov't sponsored social safety net is in tatters as it is here.