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    My sister and her boyfriend (they're engaged) are having trouble finding an apartment or rental house. Do you have any suggestions? Here are the details:

    My sister currently lives with me (divorce situation), and her boyfriend stays here part of the time, and a motel the other part of the time (long story, but what happened wasn't his fault).

    Both have filed bankruptcy in the last few years. I'm not sure why her boyfriend filed, but she filed because of she got in over her head with credit cards. Both have lousy credit, and my sister is getting into trouble with credit cards again. She denies it, but I see the mail that comes in (it's obvious from the unopened envelopes that it's correspondence from credit card companies in addition to monthly statements), and she's been getting collection-type calls.

    They have three kids from their previous marriages. He gets his kids every other weekend; she gets her son every other week. The kids are fairly well-behaved.

    They both work full time, but even though we're not charging them "rent" to stay here (just $50 to help with the power bill), much of their money goes toward child support, credit card bills, cell phone bills, homeschooling of one child, etc. He makes decent money; she's barely above minimum wage.

    They've looked at several houses and apartments that they can afford. They are over-qualified for low-income apartments. They can't afford a regular apartment. So far, private individuals won't rent to them because of there being "too many kids" and/or because they're not married, making them "unstable" (as they put it). They're planning to get married as soon as they have a place to live. Many older folks in this little neck-of-the-woods are very "traditional" when it comes to their idea of what a "perfect family" is, and just assume that people who don't fit their mold would make bad renters.

    They're non-smokers, non-party'ers, no pets, quiet, etc. And all three kids are seldom together at the same time. They would make decent renters, especially if she can get out of the credit card habit. And we can honestly give them a good reference without having to fib.

    Unfortunately, time is of the essence. Our house just doesn't have the capacity for this many people, plus there are issues resulting from first/third-shift work schedules, lack of privacy, as well as some other things.

    How can they make themselves more "appealing"?

    And would they get in trouble somehow if they said they'd just gotten married, in order to secure the house/apartment, and then really get married a week or two later? Just a little temporary fib?

    Other suggestions?

    (Sorry this got so long. )
    Last edited by Annika; 04-05-2006, 01:07 AM.
    Filed Chapter 7 (Medical Bills) - 12/16/04
    341 Meeting - 1/28/05 | Discharged - 3/31/05 | Case Closed, No Assets - 7/5/05
    Update 2/15/11 - Still totally debt-free except for the mortgage, which we're paying down quickly!

    #2
    My thoughts,

    If they are living together he/she is a commonlaw couple..... might as well be married.

    What difference does it make to the landlord if they are married or not...... really none of his business (thats personal).......

    My landlords in the past have never asked if I was married or wanted to see my marriage liscense.

    Don't get me wrong here, I do have morals..... and fully support the bonds of martimony.....

    Couples who aren't married buy homes together, what's the problem in renting one together?

    Minny

    "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

    My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Minnymouth
      My thoughts,

      If they are living together he/she is a commonlaw couple..... might as well be married.

      What difference does it make to the landlord if they are married or not...... really none of his business (thats personal).......

      My landlords in the past have never asked if I was married or wanted to see my marriage liscense.

      Don't get me wrong here, I do have morals..... and fully support the bonds of martimony.....

      Couples who aren't married buy homes together, what's the problem in renting one together?

      It makes no sense to me either.

      Apparently some of the folks renting the homes feel like a couple that's not married may not stay together (as if being married guarantees that they will - LOL!) ... and if one of them leaves, perhaps the remaining renter can't afford the rent by themself. I don't get it either, but that's what they've been told so far.

      Well, that, and the "too many kids" thing.

      They're supposed to go looking again this weekend. >>crossing fingers<<
      Filed Chapter 7 (Medical Bills) - 12/16/04
      341 Meeting - 1/28/05 | Discharged - 3/31/05 | Case Closed, No Assets - 7/5/05
      Update 2/15/11 - Still totally debt-free except for the mortgage, which we're paying down quickly!

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        #4
        Maybe that particular landlord has a moral/religious objection and would feel he is condoning that lifestyle if he rents to them. Many people feel very strongly against that.

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          #5
          Why don't you ask the Property Management Expert??

          That would be me!!! If you ask me really nicely; I see alot here. The marriage thing is not the issue at all.
          Last edited by scammer; 04-05-2006, 11:33 AM.

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            #6
            Yes, Scammer, this is your "turf"....................

            Come Forth with Info......................

            Minny
            Minny

            "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

            My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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              #7
              Minny

              I see several things, different landlords have different criteria, but it is all pretty predictable what they might want. I guess I would want to know, are they trying to rent a really nice place, you know the landlord put a lot of love into it. Or are they going for just a roof over there head. Here is why, I have really nice places, but have and will entertain someone with poor credit with the proper terms. So a person with so-so credit could rent an awesome place if it is done right. Okay, I gotta make some client calls but here is red flag #1

              Just had the same thing monday night, wife and I will not rent to her. She was staying in the hotel, again a big red flag!!!!!!!! Hotels are expensive, know matter how you dice it, and landlords know this. Usually hotels are last ditch attempts before being homeless. If her fiance doesn't have a permant address don't put him on the lease, that opens other problems though. The living with the sister is pretty nice of her, landlords want to verify past rental history. So here you have bad credit, no rental history, and it needs to be a decent amount of time. If you skipped to go to the sisters house, thats bad, we will find out. Drugs are big problems for property owners, we need to protect ourselves, drugs and real estate=big problems for landlord, I can sniff a problem very easy. living in hotels is one sign. Desperate to rent is another.
              Last edited by scammer; 04-05-2006, 12:13 PM.

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                #8
                one last thing, then she has to ask for my help

                Can she qualify for an apartment without his income on the lease?? How about vice versa?? Which one has a better rental history to be verified?


                logging off.................

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                  #9
                  The reason her boyfriend is staying in a motel is because of an environment that became unsafe for him and his children. He was previously sharing a house with his brother, who just recently began cheating on his wife. The wife found out, not to mention caught them in the act, and things became extremely violent. We're talking fistfights, vicious arguments, etc. Yes, his brother and his brother's wife were using drugs at the time, but he is definitely not involved with drugs himself. He doesn't even drink, not even socially, or smoke, not to mention that he's a commercial driver and any drug use would be obvious. I'm 100% sure of that.

                  Anyway, for the sake of himself and his children, he found a motel last week. He was miserable the entire time, partly because that was good money he could've been putting towards an apartment, and partly because having to stay in a motel totally sucked.

                  He's been staying here whenever my sister doesn't have her son. The downstairs is just one large room, with no walls, and there is a bed for my sister and a bed for her son. Under those circumstances, it would not be appropriate for her boyfriend to spend the night when her son is present.

                  Hence, the motel last week.

                  They're trying so hard to do the right thing by their kids, which is why they're trying to find a place to live ASAP.

                  Hope that makes sense. It truly wasn't his fault, nor can I blame him for wanting to protect his children from that kind of environment.
                  Last edited by Annika; 04-05-2006, 02:16 PM.
                  Filed Chapter 7 (Medical Bills) - 12/16/04
                  341 Meeting - 1/28/05 | Discharged - 3/31/05 | Case Closed, No Assets - 7/5/05
                  Update 2/15/11 - Still totally debt-free except for the mortgage, which we're paying down quickly!

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                    #10
                    Potential Great News! One of the guys they talked to yesterday called them back, and they may have gotten the house! They just left to go talk to him further. >>crossing fingers and toes<< Will update as soon as I know something for sure ...
                    Filed Chapter 7 (Medical Bills) - 12/16/04
                    341 Meeting - 1/28/05 | Discharged - 3/31/05 | Case Closed, No Assets - 7/5/05
                    Update 2/15/11 - Still totally debt-free except for the mortgage, which we're paying down quickly!

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                      #11
                      I have an answer for you about the "too many kids" issue.

                      What the Landlord may be saying, but not explaining, is your State or Local laws regarding bedrooms/so many people and/or sexes of the kids.

                      If you Sis and BF have 4 kids, 2 boys, 2 girls, they could easily fit a 3 BR. But if it's say 3 girls and 1 boy, then there could be an issue with mixed sexes in the same room. Some places regulate the amount of space that must be available in a BR/person in the room. And some places won't allow for children of mixed sexes to share BR's either.

                      We had a friend that ran into that same problem. Odd number of kids. Too many to fit in one BR or would be mixed sexes in one BR according to every apt Landlord they talked to.

                      Wishing you LUCK on the call back!!
                      Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
                      Discharged - 12/2006
                      Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
                      Closed - 04/2007

                      I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

                      Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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                        #12
                        I've filled out a few rental applications. Here are the things that matter: credit history, rental history, current income, employment history, number of people living in unit.

                        If both people have bad credit, that will count negatively. If either or neither can establish a reference for previous tenancy, that could count negatively. How much money are they making compared to the rent of the places they're looking at? Landlords don't stick their necks out for people. That's just the way the rental market is. If the two of them are including three children in the lease agreement, then it's rather common for their to be stipulations regarding how many people can share a certain number of bedrooms. If they are trying to rent a one bedroom and show three children living with them at any given time, that would be a problem. If they're trying to rent a two bedroom, and three children are living there sometimes, that could be a problem too. Some leases limit the number of children per bedroom to two. It's not illegal or anything.

                        It sounds like they have quite a few strikes against them. The best thing they can do is to save as much money as possible to put down as a deposit for future rent and pick a place with at least two bedrooms and spell out the living arrangements with the children.

                        Getting married doesn't require an apartment or a house. They can get married any time. If they love each other and want to spend their lives together, then they should get married. It doesn't matter if they have an apartment, a house, a savings account, clean credit, or anything like that. Marriage is about love and commitment. I don't think being married would affect their ability to rent a place, but the two things should be considered separately.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jenny
                          I've filled out a few rental applications. Here are the things that matter: credit history, rental history, current income, employment history, number of people living in unit.

                          If both people have bad credit, that will count negatively. If either or neither can establish a reference for previous tenancy, that could count negatively. How much money are they making compared to the rent of the places they're looking at? Landlords don't stick their necks out for people. That's just the way the rental market is. If the two of them are including three children in the lease agreement, then it's rather common for their to be stipulations regarding how many people can share a certain number of bedrooms. If they are trying to rent a one bedroom and show three children living with them at any given time, that would be a problem. If they're trying to rent a two bedroom, and three children are living there sometimes, that could be a problem too. Some leases limit the number of children per bedroom to two. It's not illegal or anything.

                          It sounds like they have quite a few strikes against them. The best thing they can do is to save as much money as possible to put down as a deposit for future rent and pick a place with at least two bedrooms and spell out the living arrangements with the children.

                          Getting married doesn't require an apartment or a house. They can get married any time. If they love each other and want to spend their lives together, then they should get married. It doesn't matter if they have an apartment, a house, a savings account, clean credit, or anything like that. Marriage is about love and commitment. I don't think being married would affect their ability to rent a place, but the two things should be considered separately.
                          Thats a nice post, wish I would have had the time to compose those thoughts, accurate. You left out the part about telling the Landlord, "its okay if junior stays in the basement, this two bedroom will work for us" Landlords can count kids, and unless there is a egress window down there, no your kid can't sleep there, go get a three bedroom.

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                            #14
                            That was the trouble we had coming here. We had to go 4 BR by law and there just aren't many 4 BR's available at any time, for rent, in this market.

                            We've been looking around a bit. Found a nice group of 4 BR Condo's today. One thing we got working for us right now is College is about to end. That means a lot of people leaving for the summer in 2-3 weeks. Landlords would rather have it rented over the summer than wait for new tenants to come in the fall.
                            Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
                            Discharged - 12/2006
                            Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
                            Closed - 04/2007

                            I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

                            Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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                              #15
                              They got the house! They got the house!

                              They can start moving in immediately, and will be getting the power and water transferred into their names tomorrow.

                              Thanks for the info on the number of kids, and for the other responses!

                              I am soooo relieved that it worked out.
                              Filed Chapter 7 (Medical Bills) - 12/16/04
                              341 Meeting - 1/28/05 | Discharged - 3/31/05 | Case Closed, No Assets - 7/5/05
                              Update 2/15/11 - Still totally debt-free except for the mortgage, which we're paying down quickly!

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