The American Dream no longer exists.

[debtisbad]

Jane,

What is ironic is that I have never voted anything other than republican. I come from an entire family of republicans. Never again!

[SinkingFast]

...but Bush...he just sat in Florida in a classroom close to where I was getting high (at that time) and didn't do a thing for 10 min. as the planes hit the WWTC?! Is that really what happened? He just kept reading a story w/no one to advise him on what to do??? Or, is M. Moore kidding us?

Ah but did you see the look on W's face when the aide whispered in his ear. The whole facial expression changed. There was a look of "Where's the F***ing Button!! I wanna push that button! Nuke 'em all! Nuke the B*****ds!"

And then he looked around him. Realized he could not loose his cool in front of a bunch of little kids. Didn't want to scare them. Found the first possible opportunity to bow out and left early. The kids were expecting the President to stay much longer than he did.

From having been Room Mom at class parties when the kids were little. I know full well that when a group of little kids expect something, it really throws them into a tizzy when the plans change on a dime. So I kinda understand the President realizing where he was, being considerate of the children and not wanting to scare them, but still making his exit as soon as he possibly could.

As it turns out, the only people who had control over what happened that day were the brave folks on Flight 93.

[FoolAndHisMoney]

I am "Apolitical" at this point. I plan on voting out any incumbants regardless of party. Pass bankruptcy reform and "it will be good for the economy, teach personal responsability". GM and it's suppliers are having major troubles and the government won't offer assistance. "The argumant is GM needs to compete better and build a better product".

If this is our governments stand that's one thing, but it's very inconsistant with helping every other nation in the world and both parties allowing 12 million illegals here to drain the social safety net and pay NOTHING into it.

I feel that if you make life tougher for Americans and encourage personal responsability that's fine. I think it's what we need to be better people. I'm not blaming the government for my problems. It's when I have problems it's my fault and responsability to fix it as all of your, but if a "non American" has a problem either with a f...ed up dictator, natural disaster, or need our social services our bi-partisan government welcomes them with open arms and a blank checkbook.

[fellowpoorman]

Glad to see this thread going again, F Mr. Bush, just look look what we have lost and how our country has changed (not for the better) since he got in, and don't blame 9-11 for it all! America has been SOLD

[john234]

I have to agree, the American Dream has just about died!!!

1. Average person cannot buy a home................
2. Small business owners are becoming extinct......
3. Our english language is turning into SPANISH......
4. Our doctors are all starting to be foreigners.....
5. In God We Trust, our religious guidelines our Nation was founded on are gradually being removed.....
6. Our Nation is made up of immigrants - many who are here illegally.....(yet use all of our social services).....
7. Our large corporations are closing down here and sending their work overseas..............(then shipping back to USA)
8. Our crime rate continues to go up...... (now a lot of our children are criminals).

I cannot SEE that any of the above is a GOOD THING!!!

My thoughts,

Why are you people so negative?

1. Average person cannot buy a home................ I'm not sure this is true, maybe you people can't but that just means you don't make average money.
2. Small business owners are becoming extinct...... This is not true, there are more small businesses than large business in this country.
3. Our english language is turning into SPANISH......Don't understand this statement? Learning another language is a good thing.
4. Our doctors are all starting to be foreigners..... Well most Americans don't want to study science in school. Hell, look at these nutcases with the Intelligent Design BS.
5. In God We Trust, our religious guidelines our Nation was founded on are gradually being removed..... I'm not sure about this either? Actually most of the founding fathers were not very religious.
6. Our Nation is made up of immigrants - many who are here illegally.....(yet use all of our social services).....Most users of social services are white males. Most likely people who file for bankruptcy, like the people on this board.
7. Our large corporations are closing down here and sending their work overseas..............(then shipping back to USA) - Well you guys want cheap goods no?
8. Our crime rate continues to go up...... (now a lot of our children are criminals). Actually crime rates are dropping. I do agree that many poor people are criminals, and maybe we should have some sort of gun control.

[tinroofrusted]

Why are you people so negative?

1. Average person cannot buy a home................ I'm not sure this is true, maybe you people can't but that just means you don't make average money.
2. Small business owners are becoming extinct...... This is not true, there are more small businesses than large business in this country.
3. Our english language is turning into SPANISH......Don't understand this statement? Learning another language is a good thing.
4. Our doctors are all starting to be foreigners..... Well most Americans don't want to study science in school. Hell, look at these nutcases with the Intelligent Design BS.
5. In God We Trust, our religious guidelines our Nation was founded on are gradually being removed..... I'm not sure about this either? Actually most of the founding fathers were not very religious.
6. Our Nation is made up of immigrants - many who are here illegally.....(yet use all of our social services).....Most users of social services are white males. Most likely people who file for bankruptcy, like the people on this board.
7. Our large corporations are closing down here and sending their work overseas..............(then shipping back to USA) - Well you guys want cheap goods no?
8. Our crime rate continues to go up...... (now a lot of our children are criminals). Actually crime rates are dropping. I do agree that many poor people are criminals, and maybe we should have some sort of gun control.

1.) The average person is so far in credit card debt and overpriced car loans that they can't afford to get qualified for a loan... they could afford the house if they were able to get rid of the credit cards and high car loan.
2.) 95% of all small business fail within the first 5 years. Do some more research.
3.) Our English language is turning into Spanish because of politically correct morons who won't stand up to criminals. English is still the most widely used language in the world.
4.) How many Americans can afford to go to medical school? They hand out visas, and scholarships to oversea students 9 times out of 10 to foreigners as compared to Americans, just to keep with the affirmative action quoatas... not to mention the amount of insurance doctors are required to have now for malpractice suits, and false lawsuits. It's incredible.
5.) I don't know where you get your information but nearly all of the Founding Fathers could quote the bible chapter and verse, and all but two or three were ACTIVE members of their churches. Churches that believe in God the Father, and creator.... go back to history class sometime and read up.
6.) Most users of social services are minority people in this country. Again, where are you getting your information?! Check with the Family Independence Agencies, and the welfare offices... MINORITIES..... Illegal criminals in this country (because that's what they are) suck our resources dry. Many hospitals and clinics have had to shut down because they can't afford to treat paying customers because they are required to provide care to criminals in this country illegally who don't pay.
7.) I would be willing to pay more for something if it was worth it. Right now, to me it's not worth it to pay $50,000 for a vehicle when someone at the GM plant is making $75.00 an hour to sweep the floor because of unionization. It's called ripping people off.
8.) Crime rates in this country are highest amont Illegal aliens. They are committing the majority of the crimes in this country right now! ABC even did a report on this recently. Children are committing crimes because they are out of control and have no discipline. Gun control does NOTHING to stop crime; if anything it helps to promote it.

Have a great day!

[fellowpoorman]

Why are you people so negative?

1. Average person cannot buy a home................ I'm not sure this is true, maybe you people can't but that just means you don't make average money.
2. Small business owners are becoming extinct...... This is not true, there are more small businesses than large business in this country.
3. Our english language is turning into SPANISH......Don't understand this statement? Learning another language is a good thing.
4. Our doctors are all starting to be foreigners..... Well most Americans don't want to study science in school. Hell, look at these nutcases with the Intelligent Design BS.
5. In God We Trust, our religious guidelines our Nation was founded on are gradually being removed..... I'm not sure about this either? Actually most of the founding fathers were not very religious.
6. Our Nation is made up of immigrants - many who are here illegally.....(yet use all of our social services).....Most users of social services are white males. Most likely people who file for bankruptcy, like the people on this board.
7. Our large corporations are closing down here and sending their work overseas..............(then shipping back to USA) - Well you guys want cheap goods no?
8. Our crime rate continues to go up...... (now a lot of our children are criminals). Actually crime rates are dropping. I do agree that many poor people are criminals, and maybe we should have some sort of gun control.

SOLD

[fellowpoorman]

Gun control? The only people registering their guns are the good people, criminals won't
$3 Gasoline, short supllies?C'mon, Oil companies reporting record profits
Illegal aliens protesting in our streets, WTF is that, arrest them all and send them home, THEY ARE ILLEGAL, wheres the law enforcement, they have a free ride.

[john234]

1.) The average person is so far in credit card debt and overpriced car loans that they can't afford to get qualified for a loan... they could afford the house if they were able to get rid of the credit cards and high car loan.
2.) 95% of all small business fail within the first 5 years. Do some more research.
3.) Our English language is turning into Spanish because of politically correct morons who won't stand up to criminals. English is still the most widely used language in the world.
4.) How many Americans can afford to go to medical school? They hand out visas, and scholarships to oversea students 9 times out of 10 to foreigners as compared to Americans, just to keep with the affirmative action quoatas... not to mention the amount of insurance doctors are required to have now for malpractice suits, and false lawsuits. It's incredible.
5.) I don't know where you get your information but nearly all of the Founding Fathers could quote the bible chapter and verse, and all but two or three were ACTIVE members of their churches. Churches that believe in God the Father, and creator.... go back to history class sometime and read up.
6.) Most users of social services are minority people in this country. Again, where are you getting your information?! Check with the Family Independence Agencies, and the welfare offices... MINORITIES..... Illegal criminals in this country (because that's what they are) suck our resources dry. Many hospitals and clinics have had to shut down because they can't afford to treat paying customers because they are required to provide care to criminals in this country illegally who don't pay.
7.) I would be willing to pay more for something if it was worth it. Right now, to me it's not worth it to pay $50,000 for a vehicle when someone at the GM plant is making $75.00 an hour to sweep the floor because of unionization. It's called ripping people off.
8.) Crime rates in this country are highest amont Illegal aliens. They are committing the majority of the crimes in this country right now! ABC even did a report on this recently. Children are committing crimes because they are out of control and have no discipline. Gun control does NOTHING to stop crime; if anything it helps to promote it.

Have a great day!

I can't believe this negativity! If people are in debt, then maybe you are spending beyond your means? Buy a used car and get a smaller house or get a roommate to share rent with.

Most American's don't study medicine or engineering or science, that is why we need immigrants who do.

Illegal aliens are not all criminals, most of them are hard working and don't live off of credit cards like you.

And I'm sorry, but it is true that most people of social services are single mothers and white males.

[john234]

Did everyone see who Mr. Bush is meeting with today? Our trade deficit has hit an all time high. China's economy is growing by 10% a year. They now, own us. Personally, I am not buying anymore shit made in China. I am talking about the little doodads that say "made in china" on them. They vehicles are coming in supposedly 2008. I don't want to offend anyone, but I cannot stand Mr. Bush. He is a wealthy aristocrat completely out of touch with his so called "America". Actually, I don't care if I do offend someone, personally, I am damn tired of being politically correct!

I totally agree with you! But why do so many religious zealots vote for Bush even though he does not act like a Christian?

[fellowpoorman]

I can't believe this negativity! If people are in debt, then maybe you are spending beyond your means? Buy a used car and get a smaller house or get a roommate to share rent with.

Most American's don't study medicine or engineering or science, that is why we need immigrants who do.

Illegal aliens are not all criminals, most of them are hard working and don't live off of credit cards like you.

And I'm sorry, but it is true that most people of social services are single mothers and white males.

Illegal aliens are not criminals/ THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALY? ISN"T THAT ILLEGAL? Illegal means a law has been violated, how hard is that to understand, lets just call them "Guest Aliens" , Why don't we just give them all a car , a full tank of gas and house as they cross the borders! Maybe we should give them Credit Card too. There is no law enforcement against them protesting in the streets, eeven if they are all illegal, must be a bunch of lazy Americans who don't want to do the paperwork on it I guess, hey maybe they'll do it themselves, or more likely they will suddenly for some unknown reason forget how to speak English again. If our country wants closed borders and so called "security" then we should enforce the laws instead of looking the other way because it costs too much, Its easier busting citizens for loitering I guess. Plus enforcing parking laws and speeding etc. brings in money, deporting costs, now I get it.

[Minnymouth]

Interesting Comments Folks.................very Interesting.............

[robivi3]

John I live in South Florida, have you ever eaten the cost of someone with no traceable address, no social security number, no id slamming into your car? And no, Insurance did not cover it, because making a claim here always raises your risk and rates here, especially if you use your uninsured motorist or file any claim on your own policy. Don't even discuss insurance if you don't live in a high risk area.

It is odd, it was 1984 and i still remember his "name" and the fact that i ate the cost of his lack of identity. None of them drive with insurance, that produces a document, is that not illegal?

Second, likely they are heavily in debt to a labor boss who arranges jobs. They are generally in debt to whoever finances the boat ride from Cuba or Haiti. Likely they are in debt to family and friends that financed the trip over here. My Gosh, in Miami we all know what it costs to bring someone over and have a general knowledge. My stepmother and my wife are both Colombian, the illegal issue does not strike them, they have been here since the 1960's and are viable and legal. I'll leave extended family to your imagination, but imagine on. To anyone with a smattering of knowledge of the issue to say that illegals are not in debt is blatantly stupid. Not only are most in debt but the family in the other Country remains under threat until the interest is paid.

I DO agree with John on this, American kids are not studying Medicine, Engineering and such in good numbers, he is correct. We do need immigrants. The fact is, illegals do serve a purpose and store shelves would be empty tomorrow without them. The solution required is Solomonesque. Illegal immigration has racked brains since day one. If you read Michener's "The Source" you can understand how passports worked in ancient times and how Cities with trade guilds like purple glass making. dyeing, etc... had to guard against foreign intrusion into their labor. This problem will be here no matter...

[SinkingFast]

I can't believe this negativity! If people are in debt, then maybe you are spending beyond your means? Buy a used car and get a smaller house or get a roommate to share rent with.

Most American's don't study medicine or engineering or science, that is why we need immigrants who do.

Illegal aliens are not all criminals, most of them are hard working and don't live off of credit cards like you.

And I'm sorry, but it is true that most people of social services are single mothers and white males.

Excuse me?? But both Hubby and I have higher level degrees in the Sciences. Some of the new drugs available on the market today that save lives are a direct result of Research work Hubby did. And then there's the "Charity Drugs" for lack of a better word. Drugs that were discovered and developed to treat sleeping sickness brought on by Tse Tse fly bites. Oh Yeah, that had real commercial application in the USA. Pharma companies basically donate drugs like that to where ever in the world because there is no market for them. How else do you think those wonderful charities are able to provide drugs to treat 100 kids for you donation of $10??!!

There are products on the shelves that people purchase daily that are a direct result of work that I did when I worked professionally. Eaten out in any restaurants lately?? You may have eaten one of my creations!!

And if they are in this country illegally, they are committing a criminal act! Excuse me but we have immigration laws for a reason. To protect ourselves against terrorists, and diseases, and many other things that people from foreign countries knowingly or unknowingly bring in with them.

[robivi3]

Sinking, when i was in School in Nashville a GOzillion years ago head lice were unheard, I honestly never had to take a note home for diseases and lice and other third world maladies. I raised three boys in SoFla, it is a regular occurrence here and in North Miami it was weekly and directly related to the Hatian influx. My once beautiful North Miami was overrun by them in a short time. I remember in 83' we had 1 murder for the year. Today it is a crime ridden %$#@hole. My Mother-in-law left sold her home a block away from my first one in 2001 after six breakins, she had freaking bars on the windows and doors and still they got in and ransacked the house. there are two and three families living in some of the homes on my old street. used to be nice, poured concrete homes with large lots. And please folks like i say, I issue no caveats or apologies and i don't give a damn what folks think. I've lived the rathole the rest of the Country needs to prepare for if they want to continue with the guilt ridden political correctness that people like to spout, WHILE THEY AIN'T watching their neighborhood die every five years.

Don't park a Honda or Toyota anywhere in north miami if it is not under your bedroom window, it will dissappear and be on a boat before you can wake up. Bicycles are unheard of in North Miami and the police are always finding hundreds of them on those old freighters that come up the Miami River, don't tell me illegals don't bring a massive wave of crime. I am living it. Facts are facts, even ugly ones.

Look in your 1980 Guinness Book of Records. Biscayne park had NO CRIME that year. The lowest crime rate in America. It sits between North Miami and Miami Shores, which also had low crime during those days. Go to Sperling online and see the stats today, use North Maimi if Biscayne park doesn't show up.