Jobless and hopeless in America

[jacko]

Other countries have figured it out. I think its a cultural thing, were Americans feel entitled to every test after watching those medical commercials and not realizing the unnecessary burden on the system. As for me, I get my free care at the ER.

Well, the price for the health care package that members of Congress have is upwards of $35,000 per year. The government pays for that coverage though as part of their Congressional salary / benefits package. You already have the right to buy the exact same healthcare offered to Congress. Fork over 3 grand a month and it's yours. If you're suggesting that the government pay for it for everyone just like they do Congress . . . that gives a whole new meaning to the idea of government debt.

[helpme2010]

Other countries have figured it out. I think its a cultural thing, were Americans feel entitled to every test after watching those medical commercials and not realizing the unnecessary burden on the system. As for me, I get my free care at the ER.

Does anybody see something wrong with the healthcare system when you need to pay $3,000 a month?

I would honestly be happy with a healthcare light type of system, whereby I pay lets say $2,000 a year and it wouldn't pay for insanely expensive machinery and stuff like that, but rather just routine and basic doctor visits and medical care. e.g. give me the type of technology and coverage I would have gotten 20 years ago.

[RichM]

Does anybody see something wrong with the healthcare system when you need to pay $3,000 a month?

I would honestly be happy with a healthcare light type of system, whereby I pay lets say $2,000 a year and it wouldn't pay for insanely expensive machinery and stuff like that, but rather just routine and basic doctor visits and medical care. e.g. give me the type of technology and coverage I would have gotten 20 years ago.

I'm sort of the opposite. I don't mind paying for routine doctor visits for minor ailments, my examinations for my CDL and flight physicals, routine blood tests, and so forth. But I want major medical insurance in case I get seriously ill or injured. So I choose a high-deductible plan with an MSA.

-Rich

[helpme2010]

I'm sort of the opposite. I don't mind paying for routine doctor visits for minor ailments, my examinations for my CDL and flight physicals, routine blood tests, and so forth. But I want major medical insurance in case I get seriously ill or injured. So I choose a high-deductible plan with an MSA.

-Rich

I hear you RichM. I have been without health insurance for many years now. I went for a few minor issues with the clinic and they never were able to fix the problems. Even having my ears clogged one time, I waited 10 hours in the emergency room and when I finally got to the doctor, they just jabbed at my ear for a little bit and did nothing. I finally researched it and found a home made remedy which I apply every 6 months using baby oil and hydrogren peroxide.

I guess I will just go without medical insurance until I find a job that will help me pay for it. Hey whats the worst that will happen? Losing maybe 5+ years off my long term life? I got no choice.

[jacko]

I would give every able body a medicaid card with a $3000 credit for the basics financed by via obesity tax on soda pop, candy, potato chips etc. The user could shop around to stretch the credit and lower prices should entail on check ups and the minor stitching of cuts like in my case.. Than the insurance company could offer policies on the extras with a fairer deductible like $2000.

I owe my county hospital nearly $1400 for stitches on a cut. Eventually add that to my BK.

Does anybody see something wrong with the healthcare system when you need to pay $3,000 a month?

I would honestly be happy with a healthcare light type of system, whereby I pay lets say $2,000 a year and it wouldn't pay for insanely expensive machinery and stuff like that, but rather just routine and basic doctor visits and medical care. e.g. give me the type of technology and coverage I would have gotten 20 years ago.

[banca rotta]

Does anybody see something wrong with the healthcare system when you need to pay $3,000 a month?

I would honestly be happy with a healthcare light type of system, whereby I pay lets say $2,000 a year and it wouldn't pay for insanely expensive machinery and stuff like that, but rather just routine and basic doctor visits and medical care. e.g. give me the type of technology and coverage I would have gotten 20 years ago.

Yes I see something wrong. This is pretty much why this whole subject just makes me so sick I need 3k a month worth of treatments just thinking about it!

I noticed my whole life that technology once it matures becomes cheaper. Computers, cell phones, digital watches and the list goes on with these items that come down in price in time.

Health care costs always rise every year.

Anyone know why? You guessed it the governments involvement! Also don't forget the trial lawyers.

[shark66]

I would give every able body a medicaid card with a $3000 credit for the basics financed by via obesity tax on soda pop, candy, potato chips etc.

Wow.

Is Mayor Michael Bloomberg of NYC a relative of yours?

I said it decades ago when taxes on alcohol and tobacco started to get insane that that was just the beginning...

Even the totalitarian regimes (and I grew up in one) knew better than to legally prescribe what one should eat or drink, or tax one type of food more than another - and they LOVED to tax everything imaginable...

So let me ask you, jacko, what would you tax next, after you're done with "obesity tax"? BTW, I don't consume any of the stuff that you've mentioned, just being morbidly curious...

Good luck to us all.

[jacko]

When obesity addicted junk food and drinks drive up the cost of gov't and healthcare, Bloomberg has every right to do so. Did you know that some states such as Mississippi charges the state sales tax on groceries which is around 6%.

Wow.

Is Mayor Michael Bloomberg of NYC a relative of yours?

I said it decades ago when taxes on alcohol and tobacco started to get insane that that was just the beginning...

Even the totalitarian regimes (and I grew up in one) knew better than to legally prescribe what one should eat or drink, or tax one type of food more than another - and they LOVED to tax everything imaginable...

So let me ask you, jacko, what would you tax next, after you're done with "obesity tax"? BTW, I don't consume any of the stuff that you've mentioned, just being morbidly curious...

Good luck to us all.

[shark66]

When obesity addicted junk food and drinks drive up the cost of gov't and healthcare, Bloomberg has every right to do so. Did you know that some states such as Mississippi charges the state sales tax on groceries which is around 6%.

I understand where you're coming from, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree and move on...taxing an item into oblivion has never stopped anyone from obtaining it...the cost of healthcare can be driven down by other means, and the cost of government by eliminating the most of it, since it's darn useless anyway...

In my book, the government's best that governs least...

Not quite sure what you mean by "some states"...both the state in which I live in and the one that I work in have done that for the past 15 years that I've been in this country...can't recall whether that was the case in other ones that I just visited, but I'd presume that charging tax is more of a norm than an exception...might be wrong on this one.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck.

[tobee43]

When obesity addicted junk food and drinks drive up the cost of gov't and healthcare, Bloomberg has every right to do so. Did you know that some states such as Mississippi charges the state sales tax on groceries which is around 6%.

oh yes, nj also...shoot we were charged on much of the foods....also California...

[tobee43]

I understand where you're coming from, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree and move on...taxing an item into oblivion has never stopped anyone from obtaining it...the cost of healthcare can be driven down by other means, and the cost of government by eliminating the most of it, since it's darn useless anyway...

In my book, the government's best that governs least...

Not quite sure what you mean by "some states"...both the state in which I live in and the one that I work in have done that for the past 15 years that I've been in this country...can't recall whether that was the case in other ones that I just visited, but I'd presume that charging tax is more of a norm than an exception...might be wrong on this one.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck.

that's a good point...even with the economy the way it is...people buy booze and cigarettes...i think what got me the most when i went to my bk 341 was the woman with their nails done.......now...i even cut my OWN hair...always have...but these people can't afford their bills but they have high lights and nails..nothing stops them from spending...

in as much as the tax situation, i for one thing government should be as limited and small as possible...however, in light of history, it's going to difficult to re-structure the entire system...although it needs to be totally revamped..no simple answers for this one...taxes..no more taxes...

i love this tho....ok...the oil and gas companies as well as the insurance companies under the "new" budget will have to pay increased taxes to the government...what an oxy moron is that...of course WHO do you think they are going to pass their tax burden to...........US........what a ridicules, insulting way of handling increased taxes for "big" business.

[banca rotta]

When obesity addicted junk food and drinks drive up the cost of gov't and healthcare, Bloomberg has every right to do so. Did you know that some states such as Mississippi charges the state sales tax on groceries which is around 6%.

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.

[tobee43]

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.

and the sooner that statement is "realized" maybe...just maybe we will begin forward moment!

[jacko]

My state does not charge sales tax on groceries and clothing. We do tax the crap out of cigarettes at Over $4 a pack to help fund the states Medicaid and other health care initiatives.

I understand where you're coming from, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree and move on...taxing an item into oblivion has never stopped anyone from obtaining it...the cost of healthcare can be driven down by other means, and the cost of government by eliminating the most of it, since it's darn useless anyway...

In my book, the government's best that governs least...

Not quite sure what you mean by "some states"...both the state in which I live in and the one that I work in have done that for the past 15 years that I've been in this country...can't recall whether that was the case in other ones that I just visited, but I'd presume that charging tax is more of a norm than an exception...might be wrong on this one.

My $0.02 only...

Good luck.

[jacko]

In the meantime, they clog up the ER's with the cost borne by the tax payers and higher insurance costs. At least with the obesity tax, will help defray the costs and the beginning of modifying ones eating behavior the same way the tobacco tax reduced the consumption over time.

This is why since there's no easy answer to this problem I think it's better to shut the door on the whole free health care thing and stop with all of these taxes. Health insurance should also be priced on risk like car or home owners insurance.

If the obese junk food addicts don't get healthy then they won't be around and that will solve the problem all by itself.

What is so wrong with this?

It worked very well for many centuries before social medicine was even a thought.

One thing I tend to notice on why the middle class is dying is too many people (dem or repub, doesn't matter) create too many programs and have too many ideas that distort how the system really is.

For example as I mentioned earlier it used to be if one was fat, lazy and ate too much they would get sick or worse and wouldn't be a problem for very long.

Now that there is a program to "solve" every problem known to man we prop up pretty much everything there is. It could be a zombie bank or failed car company or a smoker or a McDonalds french fry addict.

The only fix it seems will be once the US Treasury finally runs dry then you will see those being propped up disappear either by becoming healthy or worse.

The world doesn't have an infinite amount of money and resources to just "help" everyone that needs help.