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    How to Disappear

    Something fun to think about and maybe even slightly relevant:

    How To Disappear:

    Most Saturday afternoons I head to the local bookstore. I love to watch people reading books about offshore banking, hiding assets and how to disappear. It’s usually your typical middle-aged guy dreaming about a new life. I watch as they get caught up in their imaginary world. Their eyes light up at the thought of leaving all their troubles behind. Reading all those great stories about beach-front living, escaping into oblivion, hiding your assets, and not paying taxes. However, not one of those books shares the flip-side. They don’t tell you about the skip-tracer who sits in his office and is paid to find people who did what you are dreaming of.

    A little tid-bit on skip-tracers, we do it because there is an adrenaline rush in what we do. What’s even better is I get to bill my client and make some money. As we say in my office, ‘its all about the Benjamins’. If your name comes across my desk and the money is right you are my hunt. I will spend my day finding your mistakes, be it through the utility company, the cable TV Company, or that collect call from Cabo San Lucas to your sister Edith. I have found many people from Boston to Bali. Usually I find them because of the little mistakes they make before they departed or while basking in the sun. Let me share a few thoughts with you about escaping. Here are the usual mistakes: The woman from Beverly Hills who called her doctor asking for her medical records to be shipped to Anquilla. A gentleman from New Jersey who stole money from his company and hid in the Dominican Republic and then had Barnes & Noble change his shipping address to his beach-front condo. The list goes on and on. When you pick up and leave to escape your creditors or for other reasons, there are companies out there like Ahearn Group (www.ahearn.bz) and many other excellent ones that love the challenge of finding you. To skip-tracers it’s a game we get paid to play. We can make as many mistakes as we want; the one you make is the one that most likely leads us to you. Sit back, take some notes and understand the game from my point of view.

    Most people read a book then pick up and go. They simply disconnect their services with no forwarding address and leave. Big mistake; take your time and follow the below steps for making your escape last. Okay first step, do not use your home, work or cell-phone, and do not use your calling card. Do not use any of your credit cards to purchase anything in the place you are going to escape to. You should develop your plan at least six months before you hit the road. In the meantime have all of your services, cable, electric, phone bills forwarded to any GPO in the country. Call those companies every month and find your balances and pay them. Make sure all the bills go to different states. Have a little fun: one month have them send it to Oshkosh the next to Bogota, New Jersey. Let them know they have the wrong Social Security number on file and have them change it. Next month give them your cousin Henry’s phone number in Toronto in case they need to reach you. The key here is to load your account with so much information you are creating misinformation.

    Go online and get yourself a Jfax (www.jfax.comwww.mailboxetc.com). Open up a corporation online in that state. Have all mail go to the above address. Make that address your service of process and your registered agent.

    When you have all your corporate information. Take a trip to that state. When you go to the bank, you will sit down and open an account. The person opening the account will call Telecheck which is a service bank used to search whether or not you have any overdrafts left over from other banks. They will run your name and there will be a record of you in any state that you've open an account in. So any skip-tracer with half a brain will find that account and locate your mailbox at Mailbox Etc. Give the person you open the account with your Mailbox Etc. address. Do not give them a valid phone number or one of your pre-paid numbers. Like the song says 867-5309 its one number you can’t forget and it’s a great conversation piece with the banker. Tell them the number won’t be in service till next week.

    Then contact Idealogic (www.idealogic.com) in Canada and have them open a Canadian corporation for you. Give Idealogic all your information from the above chosen state. Once you receive all your Canadian information open an account with BMO (www.bmo.com

    Pay no attention to anything I post. I graduated last in my class from a fly-by-night law school that no longer exists; I never studied or went to class; and I only post on internet forums when I'm too drunk to crawl away from the computer.

    #2
    Whew thanks. Now I know exactly what to do when I win that big lottery.

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      #3
      i use a couple of those things already...i live in california and have a ups mailbox address in florida..i use that address for gambling and a couple of old cc.s and other mail...they will forward to me in california whenever i call and request...i use netspend prepaid cards which dont need a valid billing zip code when paying something... again i load it here in california which has this address...but when someone asks billing zip code i give florida zip code...goes through everytime...i never pay from my regular debit card....nothing as far as phone, lites, gas is in my name..all seizable assets has been liquidated or transferred....am power of attorney on someones bank acct so i can run checks through if necessary...the last time a judgment creditor called me..he thought i was still in florida..i am living in the state he is in, just a few counties away ...california...i told him i lost house i was living in..in florida...i actually sold it..told him i was going to be homeless..and bankrupt...hasnt called back in 2 years now..so far he still thinks i am living under a bridge in florida....

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        #4
        How to Be Invisible: The Essential Guide to Protecting Your Personal Privacy, Your Assets, and Your Life (Revised Edition)


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          #5
          Very good information MS. In a nutshell, it ain't easy to just "disappear".

          It is very easy however, to plant a lot of defective information that clutters the radar screen. All it takes it being consistent, and you can bog down the skip tracers.
          All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
          Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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            #6
            Its fascinating, but it also sounds like a lot of work. Not sure it would be worth it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by frogger View Post
              Very good information MS. In a nutshell, it ain't easy to just "disappear".

              It is very easy however, to plant a lot of defective information that clutters the radar screen. All it takes it being consistent, and you can bog down the skip tracers.
              That's the trick right there: Hiding in plain sight. Never do anything that'll net you a perjury or fraud charge, but don't "lie' when a little "selective truth" will do.

              -- Use prepaid everything online
              -- Cash only in the real world
              -- Money orders instead of checks
              -- Avoid social networking sites
              -- PO Boxes
              -- Using alternate spellings of you name for stuff that doesn't require a real/true name.
              -- Dead drop e-mail accounts that don't last more that 10 minutes or require registration.
              -- IP masks or public wifi (free internet, plus you can move around and confuse your IP)

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                #8
                Sounds like you would be living like a fugative constantly looking over your shoulder. Seems like changing your identy would be a lot easier.
                Filed July 2009. Discharged 08/08/2014. Awaiting closing. We made it !!!! Woo-hoo!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by andy158 View Post
                  Sounds like you would be living like a fugative constantly looking over your shoulder. Seems like changing your identy would be a lot easier.
                  nah. If you do it right, it's pretty easy. I've taken some of the steps, but not all, because I find it more useful and beneficial to plant a flag that makes people think they know exactly where I am...even though nobody does. Not really. The public record bankruptcy actually worked to my favor in that regard. The rest I could put in place in a moment's notice, and it wouldn't be the least bit uncomfortable. The last key that they don't mention in those steps is to never ever introduce yourself to acquaintances using your real full name. I was patting myself on the back the other day for a job well done when I learned that my very BEST friend didn't know my last name.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by tigergem View Post
                    nah. If you do it right, it's pretty easy. I've taken some of the steps, but not all, because I find it more useful and beneficial to plant a flag that makes people think they know exactly where I am...even though nobody does. Not really. The public record bankruptcy actually worked to my favor in that regard. The rest I could put in place in a moment's notice, and it wouldn't be the least bit uncomfortable. The last key that they don't mention in those steps is to never ever introduce yourself to acquaintances using your real full name. I was patting myself on the back the other day for a job well done when I learned that my very BEST friend didn't know my last name.
                    My "public" mailing address is 2 counties from my residence (about a hour give or take)-- everything financial and legal goes to that PO Box. My private address-- the one closer to the residence is 20 minutes away next to the wife's work. Unless it's legally binding, contracts or a court/attorney docs, I use my middle name and the wife's maiden name for any other "real world" needs outside the local community

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                      #11
                      Along these line, if you open a personal bank account, is that activity automatically reported to the credit bureaus? ...if so, would that action negate any of the benefits of opening a bank acct out-of-state.

                      (I see many recommending this to help avoid bank levy's, that's why I ask)

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ryan View Post
                        Along these line, if you open a personal bank account, is that activity automatically reported to the credit bureaus? ...if so, would that action negate any of the benefits of opening a bank acct out-of-state.

                        (I see many recommending this to help avoid bank levy's, that's why I ask)
                        I think they make an inquiry when you open a bank account. Not positive. There might be a chex systems event generated. But if you opened one in a place where you wanted people to think you were, well... I guess that would serve for the obfuscation part of the ploy. As to discovering assets for a levy, yes I think that no matter where you opened the account, it would probably be discoverable eventually.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tigergem View Post
                          I think they make an inquiry when you open a bank account. Not positive. There might be a chex systems event generated. But if you opened one in a place where you wanted people to think you were, well... I guess that would serve for the obfuscation part of the ploy. As to discovering assets for a levy, yes I think that no matter where you opened the account, it would probably be discoverable eventually.
                          I know Suntrust and Regions are doing credit-checks. Then there is all the new homeland security BS.

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                            #14
                            Oh, thank you so much - I'm bookmarking this for future reference. (OK, all of you, jumping to conclusions is a terrible way to get your exercise. Come back here right now!)

                            MS's post has the perfect info for a novel I'm planning. I need one or more of my characters to successfully disappear. Now, this post also makes me wonder... what kind of education do you need to become a skip tracer? I love a good mystery like this, MS, is this a career that a non-lawyer type could be good at?
                            Figured out we were in trouble: (Wait, we're in trouble? ) Stopped paying creditors: Aug 2010 Filed Chap 7: Apr 29, 2011 341: Jun 1, 2011 Report of no distribution: Jun 1, 2011 Discharged Aug 2, 2011

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ryan View Post
                              Its fascinating, but it also sounds like a lot of work. Not sure it would be worth it.
                              I tend to agree, the cost benefit (mostly thinking of time, hassle, and inconvenience) analysis on most of these items don't add up for most people.

                              Also, what is the point. To truly succeed you pretty much need to have your name out there anyway in some capacity anyway.

                              Keep in mind, doing these things to simply disappear and protect the location of assets in a "general sense" is one thing, doing these things to specifically avoid creditors with valid claims is fraud.
                              Last edited by HHM; 05-23-2010, 08:23 AM.

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