this Gobal Warming is Killing Me.

[Tom_Mi]

As has been stated earlier, the C02 hasn't gone anywhere even though some of us have cold porches this month.

I think if our C02 level remained constant, things would be fine. We need to remember that God's "balanced world" has a LOT of C02 tied up underground in rock. That's why burning oil is kinda not cool. We can freely burn all the vegetable oil we want, all day long, and keep our homes at 95degrees without adding more C02. Could one propose that respecting God's balance means keeping that C02 underground where He put it in the first place?

It's cold here in Michigan, and it was a cold summer. But what about the rest of the world's weather? I'd like to know the status of the areas most affected by what's happened thus far. Drought in Africa, the melting in Greenland, the Inuits in Alaska who have been having trouble getting around the last 10 years, and the retraction of Glacier Natl' park come to mind.


It's interesting to hear a lot of my friends talk positively about "creation" but they go from Jekyl to Hyde when you change the word "creation" to "environment". It's the same thing, but I think perhaps the second one holds us accountable to our beliefs.

[momisery]

I am packing my bags this summer or fall and I don't care where I have to live as long as it is not misery. lol... AZ I do not remember the year, but I was entering an arena on horse back for a cattle performance class and it was 118, the high during the day was 122. The jets could not even land and take off it was too hot. Weather patterns to vary, I would prefer to have the hot one myself.. lol Gosh it is cold here... brrrrrrrrrrr

[Scott50]

As has been stated earlier, the C02 hasn't gone anywhere even though some of us have cold porches this month.

I think if our C02 level remained constant, things would be fine. We need to remember that God's "balanced world" has a LOT of C02 tied up underground in rock. That's why burning oil is kinda not cool. We can freely burn all the vegetable oil we want, all day long, and keep our homes at 95degrees without adding more C02. Could one propose that respecting God's balance means keeping that C02 underground where He put it in the first place?

It's cold here in Michigan, and it was a cold summer. But what about the rest of the world's weather? I'd like to know the status of the areas most affected by what's happened thus far. Drought in Africa, the melting in Greenland, the Inuits in Alaska who have been having trouble getting around the last 10 years, and the retraction of Glacier Natl' park come to mind.


It's interesting to hear a lot of my friends talk positively about "creation" but they go from Jekyl to Hyde when you change the word "creation" to "environment". It's the same thing, but I think perhaps the second one holds us accountable to our beliefs.

exactly- extreme droughts in Africa that have killed hundreds of thousands in Africa.. EXTREME heat in Australia that have caused wildfires that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of Acres of land.. The melting of the polar ice caps will raise sea levels- will make parts of the world unihabital and affect the quality of drinking water (increased salinity) in coastal areas.. Deforestation in the Amazon.. I can go on...

[JRScott]

exactly- extreme droughts in Africa that have killed hundreds of thousands in Africa.. EXTREME heat in Australia that have caused wildfires that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of Acres of land.. The melting of the polar ice caps will raise sea levels- will make parts of the world unihabital and affect the quality of drinking water (increased salinity) in coastal areas.. Deforestation in the Amazon.. I can go on...

Yet the effects of all manmade pollution since the dawn of the industrial revolution has not sent as much pollutants into the air as a single volcanic eruption.

During the middle ages the earth was warmer than it has been the last couple of hundred years. It was then followed by the little ice age.

I believe it is part of the cyclical nature of Earth, keep in mind as I've said before there is nothing we can do to stop global warming or global cooling. We simply do not have that level of technology. It would be far more prudent to expand our space exploration in the case we need to vacate the planet in case of catastrophic global events. We have the means to escape the fate that most species have suffered on this planet, but only if we leave it. Carl Sagan argued years ago that we needed to be a two species planet in order to avoid extinction.

[Tom_Mi]

Yet the effects of all manmade pollution since the dawn of the industrial revolution has not sent as much pollutants into the air as a single volcanic eruption.....

For the record, this is a popular myth.
The actual numbers of metric tons of material are noted in the article.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/questions/question/2008/

[WhatMoney]

Yet the effects of all manmade pollution since the dawn of the industrial revolution has not sent as much pollutants into the air as a single volcanic eruption.

Scott50, thanks for dispelling the myth stated above. I'm sure JR cannot show any data verifying that ridiculous exaggerated claim.
Just to quote your reference:

Volcanoes emit CO2 and SO2: carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide are the main gases that might be construed to cause global warming or pollution. Volcanoes emit around 100,000,000 tons of CO2 a year. Compare that to man-made emissions of CO2 which comes to about 10,000,000,000 tons of CO2 per year. So volcanoes emit around 1/100th of CO2 that we do and are therefore insignificant in terms of global warming.

Volcanoes are a more significant source of sulfur dioxide, SO2. Worldwide, all the volcanoes on earth combined emit about 15-20 million tons/yr of SO2. The SO2 emitted by power plants (coal burning) and other human activities is 200 million tons/yr. In other words, 90% of SO2 is from manmade activities and only 10% from volcanoes. And the effect of SO2 is to reflect sun energies from the stratosphere, causing global cooling, not warming. SO2 is a more serious air pollutant at earth levels of course.

THe 2006 numbers I have for manmade CO2, NOT including deforestation (burning) is 28,785 million tons/yr, more than the 10,000 million CO2 tons/yr quoted above.

The only volcanic eruption in recent history that had a measurable effect on global climate was the eruption of Mount Pinatubo on June 12, 1991 in the Philippines. This one eruption, the strongest in 100 years, ejected about 20 million tons of SO2 into the stratosphere.

The Pinatubo eruption was primarily responsible for the 0.8 degree Celsius drop in global average air temperature in 1992. The global climatic effects of the eruption of Mount Pinatubo are believed to have peaked in late 1993. Satellite data confirmed the connection between the Mount Pinatubo eruption and the global temperature decrease in 1992 and 1993. The satellite data indicated that the sulfur dioxide plume from the eruption caused a several percent increase in the amount of sunlight reflected by the Earth's atmosphere back to space causing the surface of the planet to cool.

Again, this was the only measured effect of a volcanic eruption, out of hundreds in the last 100 years that had a longer term (2 yr) effect on global temperature, and that was a cooling effect mainly around the equatorial areas of the earth. You can't blame volcanoes for global warming.

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Causes_of_climate_change

[AngelinaCatHub]

As has been stated earlier, the C02 hasn't gone anywhere even though some of us have cold porches this month.

I think if our C02 level remained constant, things would be fine. We need to remember that God's "balanced world" has a LOT of C02 tied up underground in rock. That's why burning oil is kinda not cool. We can freely burn all the vegetable oil we want, all day long, and keep our homes at 95degrees without adding more C02. Could one propose that respecting God's balance means keeping that C02 underground where He put it in the first place?

It's cold here in Michigan, and it was a cold summer. But what about the rest of the world's weather? I'd like to know the status of the areas most affected by what's happened thus far. Drought in Africa, the melting in Greenland, the Inuits in Alaska who have been having trouble getting around the last 10 years, and the retraction of Glacier Natl' park come to mind.


It's interesting to hear a lot of my friends talk positively about "creation" but they go from Jekyl to Hyde when you change the word "creation" to "environment". It's the same thing, but I think perhaps the second one holds us accountable to our beliefs.

God may, or may not have locked CO2 in fossil fuels. IF they are fossil fuels, where did the original CO2 come from? Like the air? We now put CO2 into airasol cans because some greedy dimwit said a carbon fluoride called R12 was killing our ozone hole. CO2 is an inert gas. Oxygen is NOT. Nitrogen is the major pollutant in our atmosphere. Yes, nitrogen. We freeze it to make some things. It burns cancers off your skin. Nitrogen is the major pollutant. I think we should get rid of nitrogen.

The only problem is, the whole atmosphere is 90% nitrogen. Oxygen is a mere small percentage. Carbon Monoxide is made by everything that can burn. Even Ethanol, a tree hugger solution.

I agree that if we burned soybean oil, peanut, corn, etc. we would NOT need oil. But we would need to ban the spark plug. Go to diesel. Near 100% efficient and oxygen comes out of the exhaust. Not in a gas engine.

The whole Global warming scam is money oriented. Unless you have seen anything with your own eyes, and you will never live long enough to compare, all you see is what some politician is selling you.

Even this record cold (Yeah caused by Global Warming) year, is truly cyclical. Every 11 years the sun (you know, that radio active fusion plant in the sky) has a sun spot activity that effects the whole solar system. Not much CO2 on Pluto.

Sorry, but you have bought into a hoax that we will soon pay highly for that will not do a damned thing to help us or the planet. But, believe on and save a tree. Wipe with a leaf.

This is wholly my own opinion and not meant to offend anyone. 'Hub

BTW, the cleanest power made on Earth as well the universe is atomic. Thanks to Traitor Jane Fonda in "China Syndrome" we don't have it. However third world powers do.

[JRScott]

For the record, this is a popular myth.
The actual numbers of metric tons of material are noted in the article.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HT...question/2008/

You're not comparing it to a Yellowstone eruption, keep in mind Yellowstone is overdue for a cataclysmic eruption. A single supervolcanic eruption of which the earth has suffered scores over its history is a greater polluter than all of mankinds pollution since the dawn of the industrial revolution. Incidentally how do you explain how the middle ages (around the 12th-14th centuries) were warmer than we are today without any industry?

[WhatMoney]

You're not comparing it to a Yellowstone eruption, keep in mind Yellowstone is overdue for a cataclysmic eruption. A single supervolcanic eruption of which the earth has suffered scores over its history is a greater polluter than all of mankinds pollution since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

By the time Yellowstone erupts there will be orange groves in Wyoming. The eruption will cool the earth and destroy all the Wyoming orange trees. When called on one silly statement, you simply move the goalposts by stating something equally unlikely.

Incidentally how do you explain how the middle ages (around the 12th-14th centuries) were warmer than we are today without any industry?

Easy - it was not a global warming, other areas of the earth were cooler during the MWP, and it was caused by ocean current oscillations, not CO2.
There is a recent paper my Mann that addresses and answers your question.

Global Signatures and Dynamical Origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly

Michael E. Mann, Zhihua Zhang, Scott Rutherford, Raymond S. Bradley,
Malcolm K. Hughes, Drew Shindell, Caspar Ammann, Greg Faluvegi, and Fenbiao Ni

Global temperatures are known to have varied over the past 1500 years, but the spatial patterns
have remained poorly defined. We used a global climate proxy network to reconstruct surface
temperature patterns over this interval. The Medieval period is found to display warmth that
matches or exceeds that of the past decade in some regions, but which falls well below recent levels
globally.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/share...lScience09.pdf

[WhatMoney]

CO2 is an inert gas.
IF they are fossil fuels, where did the original CO2 come from?
Nitrogen is the major pollutant in our atmosphere.
The whole atmosphere is 90% nitrogen. Oxygen is a mere small percentage.
Carbon Monoxide is made by everything that can burn.
If we burned soybean oil, peanut, corn, etc. we would NOT need oil.
Go to diesel...oxygen comes out of the exhaust.
etc.

This is wholly my own opinion and not meant to offend anyone. 'Hub

LOL - that was the most brilliantly wrong set of non facts and errors I believe I have ever seen posted in one place on the Internet. And I've been on a very long time. A great comedy posting there Hub. But next time please use appropriate smileys.

[JRScott]

Easy - it was not a global warming, other areas of the earth were cooler during the MWP, and it was caused by ocean current oscillations, not CO2.
There is a recent paper my Mann that addresses and answers your question.


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/share...lScience09.pdf

Siberia has been colder over the last decade and conveniently left out of the datasets used by major climate scientists because it didn't match their findings......not to mention their fudge factor they introduced in their equations because their findings from tree rings did not match their hypothesis....