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    Banks are just MEAN!!!!

    Got up way too early this morning and started reading recent BK news in the forum. Some of the posts depict how judges are fighting back against the banking and collection industries. Others define how making your payments ontime will cost you more money. I wonder what the next decade will bring.

    I noticed my cc's were changing the terms every couple weeks to beat the new consumer laws that go into effect in Feb. First was Kohl's changing my due date, with the notice in fine print. Next, the nail in my financial coffin, was Discover changing my billing cycle to every 28 days. This means that in some months, I would have to make 2 payments...I only get paid once a month.

    So was it just me and my debt ridden life...No, it is affecting everyone. My daughter maxed out her $500 limit cc, (they authorized the over-the-limit) and now they closed her account and harass her daily about paying it off. Funny thing is...she works, she has significant savings with them, she was never late on payments, she maxed it out buying school books and she has auto payment on the cc.....well she did. As a young borrower, shouldn't they act like she is a customer? Unfortunately, they lost a customer for life.

    My admin "person" at work recently purchased a home with her outstanding credit, now all of her cc's are changing her terms and raising her interest rates. She has spent hours on the phone arguing with them only to close the account. They too lost a good customer for life.

    At a time in our live that we need some consideration, understanding or help in buying groceries, the banks have decided to force so many into BK. They are more than happy to reap the rewards, but not assume the risk. I am convinced that BK could be averted for many if their creditors implemented a policy for dignity and respect.

    In business, if I have a customer fall on hard times, I make consessions to get them back on track. I monitor them closely but I treat them with respect while I control my risk. They are a customer and when times are good, they will remember who helped them in a time of need.

    These too big to fail companies have forgotten that customer's are the source of their revenue. You would think that will all those MBA's sitting at the mahagony desks, someone would have figured out that if you piss of too many customers, the future recurring revenue will fall.

    I filed Chapter 7 because I was $85k in unsecured debt while my salary had fallen 30% over the past 2 years. Prior to that, I have 20 years of solid credit with no dings what-so-ever. The day I filed my FICO was well over 700. My trip to CCCS revealed that I had better interest rates, than they could negotiate with my creditors. I was an excellant customer to the banks, they made big bucks from me.

    So.....why would they not help me in time of need. I only needed a year or so to increase my earnings enough to meet by obligations. Why do they not care enough to modify my terms temporarily?

    As a business decision, I filed BK and I can assure you that over the past 20 years, I did NOT pay them nearly the $85,000 that I am walking away from. So did they make a good business decision...no, they will never have the opportunity to recoup the money or have me as a customer. It was a straight loss and when you consider the number of people doing the same thing...can that business survive? We'll see.

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    This is why I am totally DONE with credit. I could care less about my credit score. I would not borrow money if there was zero interest and no fees fines or late charges. I just shake my head when people on this forum right after discharge are applying for credit. I am not judging them, it is just not for me. If everyone lived within their means there would be no credit industry to control us. I do agree that banks do all they can to extract money from us. I don't even like using my debit cards because I don't want the bank to profit from the percent they charge the retailer. I still use imy debit card but when I can I pay with cash.

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      #3
      My BK attorney put it in these terms. My attorney's parents have a high FICO score. They only have 1 credit card they use to buy groceries, etc. and pay it off at the end of the month, hence the high FICO score. She said when they try to buy something on credit, they are denyed and the reason is they don't have enough credit. It goes to show that the FICO score means nothing. My BK attorney dispises credit card companies and the credit system scoring.

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        #4
        DSPII, I agree with what you said. However, have you considered some of these things have happened do to our Government and all the rules to lend to those who could not afford it, now the house of cards comes down, so the Government bails them out (WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT) with our money, so all they do, is get solvent, and 'cherry pick' those who would not need a loan anyway, to loan money to.

        The CC companies are going nuts due to the up and coming regulations. This current Socialistic Government is getting their "regulations" and piece of every industry into place. "Ju vill go to zis doktor, and ju vill like it!"

        That dream of home ownership is about dead, unless you consider a government assigned section 8 house duplexed with your neighbor.

        I don't believe it is all the bank's fault. They are in as much turmoil as we are. They are being micro-managed by jerks that ran territories in Chicago.

        I once lived in Chicago. I know how it works. Pizza Hut attempted to build in Stone Park IL but you know, there was already a Pizza joint there. Italian and 'one of the family'. Pizza Hut was burned three times before they left. We now have a Government that will steal from your pocket and jail you if you get sick and don't go to their doktor.

        Think it's bad now? Taxes are coming. 'Hub
        If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Kansas1960 View Post
          This is why I am totally DONE with credit. I could care less about my credit score. I would not borrow money if there was zero interest and no fees fines or late charges. I just shake my head when people on this forum right after discharge are applying for credit. I am not judging them, it is just not for me. If everyone lived within their means there would be no credit industry to control us. I do agree that banks do all they can to extract money from us. I don't even like using my debit cards because I don't want the bank to profit from the percent they charge the retailer. I still use imy debit card but when I can I pay with cash.
          Proverbs 22:7 (King James Version)

          The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.


          I feel the same about checks. I use a Debit card on occasion, and I pay my bills online. If there is no money, the card does not work.

          Never bounced a check in 45 years, then 30 in bk. That is 3K worth of penalties. So much cheaper to buy a money order for .45 cents, and the money is there.

          I have yet to check my credit nor am I inclined to want to. It means nothing to me. If I replace my car in the future (after many repairs, cheaper than a payment) it will be a good used car. Let the previous owner take the devaluation hit. 'Hub
          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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            #6
            Originally posted by AngelinaCatHub View Post
            DSPII, I agree with what you said. However, have you considered some of these things have happened do to our Government and all the rules to lend to those who could not afford it, now the house of cards comes down, so the Government bails them out (WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT) with our money, so all they do, is get solvent, and 'cherry pick' those who would not need a loan anyway, to loan money to.

            The CC companies are going nuts due to the up and coming regulations. This current Socialistic Government is getting their "regulations" and piece of every industry into place. "Ju vill go to zis doktor, and ju vill like it!" 'Hub
            Interesting....Politicians are like a diaper...always on your ash and full of ship! My political perspective is based around the famous saying "By the people, for the people". Today's political landscape is more based on what in their best interest, not ours...just look at the huge pork bill making its way through the senate...every politician has a piece of that pie.

            Credit is earned and should have a cost associated with it. But banks are just plain mean!!!! I love living by cash only, a fresh dose of reality. I travel a lot and unfortunately our society requires you to have a credit card to travel or lots of $100 bills in your suitcase. The last decade or so we have witnessed how we are becoming a cash-free society with ATM's, online banking and debit cards. The banks love this...they get to make money everytime we spend money.

            I wrote an editorial for the "Toledo Blade" several months ago based upon the easy credit for those who could not afford it. Poor Joe Schmoe, the part time UPS worker that got a $100,000 loan that had $8000 worth of pure profit for the strip mall mortgage company that sold the mortgage to a hedge fund. Too many people made big bucks on the deregulation or lack of oversight of a critical industry that binds our economy.

            If you allow anyone access to easy money, they will pilage and steal until the cows come home. Not everyone is as honest as I would like. If you give a mouse a cookie, they will ask for a glass of milk.

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              #7
              If you give a mouse a cookie, they will ask for a glass of milk.
              How true.

              Think of it this way, every time you spend your own earned money, and not a banks stash, you have deprived that place your benevolence in renting their money. They may not realize it, but I believe the massive amounts of defaults are getting their attention. Unfortunately, like our current government, they see no end to cornucopia, and they do not realize that cornucopia is attached to 'Pandora's box'. 'Hub
              If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                #8
                Like our current government???

                Until we all realize both democrats and republicans are on the same side, we the people are screwed.
                Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AngelinaCatHub View Post
                  DSPII, I agree with what you said. However, have you considered some of these things have happened do to our Government and all the rules to lend to those who could not afford it, now the house of cards comes down, so the Government bails them out (WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT) with our money, so all they do, is get solvent, and 'cherry pick' those who would not need a loan anyway, to loan money to.

                  The CC companies are going nuts due to the up and coming regulations. This current Socialistic Government is getting their "regulations" and piece of every industry into place. "Ju vill go to zis doktor, and ju vill like it!"

                  That dream of home ownership is about dead, unless you consider a government assigned section 8 house duplexed with your neighbor.

                  I don't believe it is all the bank's fault. They are in as much turmoil as we are. They are being micro-managed by jerks that ran territories in Chicago.

                  I once lived in Chicago. I know how it works. Pizza Hut attempted to build in Stone Park IL but you know, there was already a Pizza joint there. Italian and 'one of the family'. Pizza Hut was burned three times before they left. We now have a Government that will steal from your pocket and jail you if you get sick and don't go to their doktor.

                  Think it's bad now? Taxes are coming. 'Hub
                  Taxes have been here for a while. With the Bush give away to the rich during his 8 years in office, there is going to be no choice but to raise taxes.

                  BTW, I will take a "socialistic" government over Bush's fascist government any day of the week. Bush was so much like Hitler, that it was scary.

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                    #10
                    Bottom line here is we all have to learn how to use the banks and not have them rain terror on us with their "fees", usurious rates of interest(my Lord 29%), how much is enough for these people? I too will never own a CC again and can't wait to file and be out from under this mess which has taught me alot. There isn't a day that goes by when on my walks I don't see another sign on the lawn saying foreclosure or Bank owned. It is unbelievable and this is a very nice neighborhood. This economy is going to go down faster than we all know and I hope there will be peace and order in the process. You heard it here but I bet they will have to place a moratorium on Bankruptcies or just grandfather everyone applying for BK as discharged and closed because very soon the default rate will probably rise logarithmically, Money will soon be worthless, good and decent jobs extant, and the collective suffering or our people will increase rapidly.
                    How are people going to live when big business, bankers, stock brokers are so selfish, unkind and greedy? How will they have any money left from their earnings if govt takes so much in taxes and then you have to pay taxes to buy stuff even on food? The problems and causes are many. People are just plain used to living beyond their means, govt both democrats and republicans are corrupt beyond yours and my immagination. They need to be replaced by common people,, farmers, grocery clerks, waitresses, mechanics for one term service. All lawyers should be prohibited from holding public office and then you would see the real change you were promised. This Real Change you can believe with open transparency the likes one has not seen before is a hoax and an insult on all good and decent people. They are going to make as much money for themselves (Pelosi, Biden, Dodd, Barney, Schumer,Reid, Obama) before we all wise up and throw them out on the street, and exile them for the hurt they have rained on the USA. You can throw Bush in there with them too. My rant for today and my opinion only. Take care everyone and be well.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by dakota112 View Post
                      They are going to make as much money for themselves (Pelosi, Biden, Dodd, Barney, Schumer,Reid, Obama) before we all wise up and throw them out on the street, and exile them for the hurt they have rained on the USA. You can throw Bush in there with them too. My rant for today and my opinion only. Take care everyone and be well.
                      I put Bush and Cheney at the top of the list.

                      To be honest, the only ones who have ever talked about regulating the banks are the democrats. The S&L crises came about under a Republican president (Reagon and the first Bush) who spouted DEREGULATION. The current one? Again, a Republican spouting DEREGULATION. While both parties may be similar, I will go with the one that hasn't been pushing deregulation.

                      The banks have clearly shown that they can't handle the freedom.

                      As for the credit card companies. Every one dropped the ball on that. If you are going to do a reform, it should have been enacted immediately. What they could have done is given them time to fix their systems so that they can handle the reforms but not the power to change the current rates or agreements.

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                        #12
                        You know I see lots of people blasting the credit card companies but didn't we agree to the terms? Didn't we each agree to allow them to change the terms at any time if they gave us XX days notice? Didn't we agree to allow them to change interest rates at about any time they wanted? Did anyone read the fine print before signing and using the cards?

                        If you don't agree with the terms, don't ask for... then accept and use the cards.

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                          #13
                          Well, after reviewing all the above posts, I must clarify something: I am neither Rep, or Dem. As far as Bush looking as a "Hitler", learn something, go back into History (a subject no longer taught in school {in honesty}), to the Weimar Republic and how Hitler was ushered in. You then will see terrorizing similarities.



                          It is my belief, we have seen our last voted president and our first permanent "president". ie Fidel Castro.

                          You too will see first, deflation, then hyper-inflation.

                          BTW, this is only my opinion, AND, so far, I have a right to voice it. Later, maybe not. 'Hub
                          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                            #14
                            But didn't we agree to the terms.....?

                            Yes, we did. But at the same time we need to hold the banks responsible as well. They know what they are doing. They spend millions of dollars reseraching psychology to lure the masses in. Did you know that if you go to a bar and they sell you too much alcohol then THE BAR is the one that is going to get sued if the drunk kills someone while driving drunk. Same with the banks. They know how to lure in the people and trap them. You do not loan money and extend to people at high risk. This is a business of loaning money and there are costs associated with it. If you loan money to someone that is your risk so it is your responsibility to manage it. Those that loan know the rules and the terms and they have to live by it.

                            My two cents to help me out. It appears you are a Bush/Cheney hater. I have no problem with that but you have to open your eyes to the truth about the democrats too. Barney Frank and Chris Dobbs played the biggest role in the housing crisis along with Clinton. They are all crooks and so is Obama.
                            Courtesy of www.verumserum.com. A speech by Barney Frank on the House Floor in 2005 where he refutes any concern about a housing industry bubble and advocat...

                            The Bush Admin and Senator McCain warned repeatedly about Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and what thus became the 2008 financial crisis -- starting in 2002 (and a...

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                              #15
                              It is my belief, we have seen our last voted president and our first permanent "president". ie Fidel Castro.

                              You too will see first, deflation, then hyper-inflation.

                              BTW, this is only my opinion, AND, so far, I have a right to voice it. Later, maybe not. 'Hub
                              I agree with the deflation & hyper-inflation.

                              Sorry, but the permanent president talk is crazy.
                              Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                              "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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