Perhaps this is why California is failing?

[walkthaplank]

the ISSUE the thumpers wanted to convey to you is they are being discriminated against because they are studying the Bible... which is not the case at all.... they are causing problems blocking other peoples driveways... and traffic...thats all.

There are already ways in dealing with illegal parking. The idea that one must have a permit to hold any type of meeting in their home is ridiculous and deserves scorn.

[FLBK7]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522637,00.html

Don't mock God. Daniel 5

Far-right AND far-left media outlets never give you the full truth, which is why it's so important to read and listen to more than one, and preferably many. The truth lies somewhere in-between.

The real issue in this story has nothing to do with religion or the right to assemble for religious purposes. The real and only issue is a possible violation of local code due to multiple vehicles and blocked driveways which inconveniences the neighbors. The complaint was placed by the next-door neighbor on those grounds. And those grounds are valid in residential areas.

[kornellred]

California is not failing. It is simply failing to be the enormous WASP nest all of the WASPs had always envisioned - with Hispanics and Asians consigned to indentured servitude, and cheap energy, and jobs for everyone, and fixed-rate low interest mortgages.

Caucasian self-righteousness has been terminated. And I'm as white as it's possible to be without being a genetic Albino.

[Flamingo]

What this whole thing hinges upon is that it is run by a "pastor" and the pastor's home is being used for a religious bible study which some could interpret as a church gathering. Since his house is probably not in an area where a church can be run, he would need to have a permit in order to run religious gatherings. It's a zoning code issue.

[JRScott]

What this whole thing hinges upon is that it is run by a "pastor" and the pastor's home is being used for a religious bible study which some could interpret as a church gathering. Since his house is probably not in an area where a church can be run, he would need to have a permit in order to run religious gatherings. It's a zoning code issue.

And he could make it case about it infringing on his 1st Amendment rights especially if it isn't equally applied to any small gathering that meets on a weekly basis in San Diego. That means Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, Coach having team over for cookouts weekly, Poker nights, tupperware, etc.

If he can prove that it is only being used to discriminate against his religious meeting then it is a violation of the First Amendment, if however San Diego applies it to all such gatherings then he wouldn't have a case, but i seriously doubt they are requiring permits for all the above.

[junker]

California is failing because of the enormus burden of the illegal aliens on everything, from schools, prisons, hospitals, check an e r room at a hospital and see if the illegals in the room have insurance which should be about 90% of the patients in there, not because some thumpers are having a meeting blocking everyones driveway..

[Peevee]

California is failing because of the enormus burden of the illegal aliens on everything, from schools, prisons, hospitals, check an e r room at a hospital and see if the illegals in the room have insurance which should be about 90% of the patients in there, not because some thumpers are having a meeting blocking everyones driveway..

This is exactly why California is failing along with several others here in the USA

[LuciluS]

California is failing because of the enormus burden of the illegal aliens on everything, from schools, prisons, hospitals, check an e r room at a hospital and see if the illegals in the room have insurance which should be about 90% of the patients in there, not because some thumpers are having a meeting blocking everyones driveway..

I totally agree. We bought in a brand new subdivision in a small town (chicken factories and chicken farmers) in Arkansas in 10/04. Those who there on a VISA or legal citizen paid cash for these new homes and moved family after family into the 4 bedroom homes. The city had an ordinance, no parking on the streets. So they lined their cars in their yards. It didn't do any good to call the Mayor or the Aldermen/women as they could care less - Revenue!!

All chicken factories had policies to open back doors & let the illegals run if the Feds showed up and they knew where the bus would be to pick them up for work the next morning. How do I know this? Was told that by a neighbor.

We moved 2 years later.

Luci

[robivi3]

Junker, I absolutely agree with what you said. More than likely the neighbors want peace and quiet. It is just the way you said it. The City Employee may have delivered the notice but may also have made othe statements is my point. He may have inflamed the situation or not. We do not live in 1799, you can't just tie up a neighborhood road because you feel like it, on that I agree.

[FLBK7]

I totally agree. We bought in a brand new subdivision in a small town (chicken factories and chicken farmers) in Arkansas in 10/04. Those who there on a VISA or legal citizen paid cash for these new homes and moved family after family into the 4 bedroom homes. The city had an ordinance, no parking on the streets. So they lined their cars in their yards. It didn't do any good to call the Mayor or the Aldermen/women as they could care less - Revenue!!

All chicken factories had policies to open back doors & let the illegals run if the Feds showed up and they knew where the bus would be to pick them up for work the next morning. How do I know this? Was told that by a neighbor.

We moved 2 years later.

Luci

This is off-topic, but are you in the NW Arkansas area? I know Tyson has some plants in the Springdale area. I have friends with a house in Rogers, right on Beaver Lake, and the area is really gorgeous!!! Their daughter goes to college at the U of Ark in Fayetteville.

[LuciluS]

This is off-topic, but are you in the NW Arkansas area? I know Tyson has some plants in the Springdale area. I have friends with a house in Rogers, right on Beaver Lake, and the area is really gorgeous!!! Their daughter goes to college at the U of Ark in Fayetteville.

No, but I would love to live up there. I also have friends who live in Fayetteville and have a party barge (well, thats what I call them, their like potoon boats) and have spent many weekends on Beaver Lake with them before I became disabled. I've heard Rogers is getting the influx of the illegal aliens.

We lived in Yell County, AR - Danville, CenterRidge, Dardanelle & some other smaller towns. Tyson has plants in Russellville and Dardanelle. Wouldn't be suprised if they didn't buy out Wayne Farms in Danville. Pilgrim's Pride had a location in Yell County, but I think they've closed their doors. Tyson has paid some hefty fines for hiring illegal aliens.

We moved closer to Central Arkansas in 12/07 as I was seeing doctors in Little Rock/North Little Rock area every week when the price of gasoline was so higher. We are now 70 miles closer than when we lived in Yell County.

Luci

[lrprn]

Interesting that some in this thread are blaming illegal aliens 100% without a single mention of the American companies who pay those illegals under the table because they work much more cheaply than US citizens who expect a living wage.

If American companies did not pay illegals and if our local and state governments did not look the other way while they do so, then illegals would not be coming into the US and staying in the numbers they are. This is like blaming the messenger rather than dealing with the real source of the problem - US employers who hire illegals. Stopping that practice will eventually stop much illegal immigration and the related drain on community services and resources.

[LuciluS]

Interesting that some in this thread are blaming illegal aliens 100% without a single mention of the American companies who pay those illegals under the table because they work much more cheaply than US citizens who expect a living wage.

If American companies did not pay illegals and if our local and state governments did not look the other way while they do so, then illegals would not be coming into the US and staying in the numbers they are. This is like blaming the messenger rather than dealing with the real source of the problem - US employers who hire illegals. Stopping that practice will eventually stop much illegal immigration and the related drain on community services and resources.

Tyson has paid some hefty fines for hiring illegal aliens.


Luci

I think I did my best to state the above. The problem is the Court System as Don Tyson has enough money to pay off and get the major lawsuits dismissed even all the way to the Supreme Court.

I've lived in AR since 1967 except from 2/1/03-10/20/04. I don't like it and complained constantly. I wrote a letter to our (2) US Senators & Congressman when the Supreme Court dismissed (oopps, was Thrown Out) a Tyson Foods lawsuit on 2/14/08. What did I receive back? A form letter from one US Senator thanking me for being a concerned citizen, yada yada.

Thankfully we now live in a small town with no illegal aliens, to my knowledge. I check the Public School system, our local & county government website each year for ethnicity.

Luci

[walkthaplank]

San Diego County Backs Down

[JRScott]

Good to hear they relented