The Judgment on Vaccines Is In???

[BankruptPinoy]

Did anyone read the Jim Carrey piece?

I guess since Mr. Carrey is not a doctor, he should not be allowed to speak or write or give his opinion. How dare Mr. Carrey exercise his natural rights and dare to speak out! He doesn't have a medical degree or work for Big Pharma. Who does he think he is?!

Only academics should be allowed to speak and only academics can give someone permission to voice an opinion and only if someone has a certain academic credential.

In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. While ingredients like aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze may help preserve and enhance vaccines, they can be toxic as well...If the CDC, the AAP and Ms. Brown insist that our children take twice as many shots as the rest of the western world, we need more independent vaccine research not done by the drug companies selling the vaccines or by organizations under their influence.

-Jim Carrey

The Judgment on Vaccines Is In???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-carrey/the-judgment-on-vaccines_b_189777.html

Oh really Mr. Carrey? Drug companies and big pharma are the good guys. They only want what's best.

Now, if you get depressed reading this piece by Mr. Carrey, be sure and go ask your doctor for an anti-depressant.

Actor Jim Carrey: The Judgment on Vaccines Is In?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/actor-jim-carrey-the-judgment-on-vaccines-is-in.html

With vaccines being the fastest growing division of the pharmaceutical industry, isn’t it possible that profits may play a part in the decision-making? That the vaccine program is becoming more of a profit engine than a means of prevention? In a world left reeling from the catastrophic effects of greed, mismanagement and corporate insensitivity, is it so absurd for us to wonder why American children are being given twice as many vaccines on average, compared to the top 30 first world countries?

-Jim Carrey

But oh yeah-I'm just a conspiracy nut for posting this and I should be ashamed of myself for daring to post it here. Shame on me.

Shame on Jim Carrey for writing this. He's just an actor!

[dgjmj]

I have 3 children 2 are in there teens and one is 9 . My 9 yr old had her last vaccine when she was 4 & will never have another one again . I know my children more than anyother doctor what is a normal reaction & was is not. She screamed for almost 2 whole days like she was in a lot of pain mind you none of my battled with colic. Whatever shots (4) that they gave her caused her to react terribly. hen I called her "Dr" I was told she must be sick can't be from the vaccines BS. Never saw that Dr again thank God she is totally alright now I know of a friend personally who's daughter was normal for her 3 years of life then when she had her 4 yr old shots she has never been the same. I know of friends who personally know other parents who feel the same way.

[floridian]

there was a time when i would have thought this vaccines thing was a conspiracy theory..i come from a medical family (dad was an MD and mom was an RN)..

i had a rude awakening... i was 100 percent healthy and lived a healthy lifestyle... my employer had a little training session on getting a hepa B vaccine series.... it made sense to me, as i believe in medical science...

so i agreed to take the 3 shots at the health dept...i will try and condense this, as i could write a book on what happened next...

the first two shots were like water... the third shot, started hurting on my way home...within a week, the pain had moved into my spine.. then it hurt when i breathed....

a week later, in in intensive care with a resting pulse of 190 bpm and the doctors call my family and said they might want to come see me as i may not survive the night....

yada, yada, i obviously survived, but i had heart damage, liver damage and was generally screwed... in other words, i had all the symtoms of hepa b, but i never had hepa b!...i was forced to retire from my 27 year career...

the doctors didnt have a clue and it couldnt be the vaccine, everyone knows that they are safe...

i called the CDC in atlanta and after a bunch of calls, i was told that i must fill out an injury form..it was just like a scifi movie... they had my calls fowarded to a special center in virginia..they refused to tell me if i would get better, die or what...

so, i fill out the injury report and call back...they tell me that the vaccine program is confidential and suggested i get a lawyer to proceed... you mean they use public funding and its just "tough s...."?

well guess what i find out that at the time over 17000 citizens had either died or where in nursing homes from the hepa vaccine...

so many people where wiped out, that congress passed a law to compensate the victims.. look up VAERS on google....thats right, i almost died from a vaccine and my doctors never even heard of the problem...

if you google adverse reaction, hepatitus b... there are a zillion post of people who have family who died, went blind or where retarded from the event...

when i called our legal section to complain about the shot making me sick, thats when the cover up started... they stated that they never told me the shots wouldnt make me sick, they just told me they wouldnt give me hepa b and i didnt have hepa b.. bastards!

so, i find out there is a large law firm in boston that handles nothing but vaccine injury cases.... when the lawyer tried to optain my shot record from the health dept, they denied i ever was there...however, it just happened that my employer had a copy, because they paid for it...

30 of my co-workers had the shot and guess what.. when they got the results from their blood test, one third of them were not even immune...

bottom line: it took 12 years to get a settlement... i was supposed to die and wouldnt cooperate.... i finally recovered after about 5 years, but my life would never be the same again...

there is much more to the story, but enuff said... you get the picture...

if you get a vaccination, you do so at your own peril....if you will take the time to investigate, you might come up with some suprising info...i was one of those "it cant happen to me" type people, but no more..

the good news: as part of the settlement, the govt stipulated that the vaccine probably did cause my illness... this has been a scary, eye opening experience.. thats my story, make your own determination..

[CarrieOakey]

Are people expecting a drug and/or vaccine to have absolutely no adverse effects, ever?

It's a legitimate question.

For the - I'm quoting the previous poster's numbers - 17000 people who had a reaction....how many did not? Over 100 MILLION people in the US have had the hep B vaccine.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I'm not for one second even loosely implying that there's no harm done.

But keep it in perspective.

Acetaminophen causes over 56,000 cases of toxicity every year.

Should we remove acetaminophen from the shelves?

Very respectfully,

CO
(who used to work with patients to get them a fair settlement relating to the whole phen-fen debacle)

[CarrieOakey]

Wanted to mention, lest anyone think I have a bias towards drug companies...my late husband actually died as a result from a drug which is generally contraindicated in patients with his conditions....I copied/pasted this bit from another post I just did

".......he was given a particular anti-inflammatory drug after he had pacemaker surgery in Dec 07...the drug in question is generally contraindicated in patients with kidney failure. He had chronic kidney failure from juvenile diabetes to begin with and essentially, the drug pushed him over the edge and he died at home with me on Christmas Morning"

Just so's y'all know I'm not batting for the drug companies and FDA, despite my background in pharma

[BankruptPinoy]

My brother had this column published in a local newspaper 2 years ago:

"The Internet is the first place a lot of people turn to when they start to feel sick or discover a symptom suggesting illness. It’s always a good idea to consult your doctor or medical advisor. I like to visit Dr. Andrew Weil’s website at drweil.com. Dr. Weil specializes in natural methods of living, healing and therapy, including herbs. I like to use a natural deodorant stone that can be used for perspiration and still allow you to sweat, it doesn't clog up the pores like the chemical applications you buy at the grocery store.

Today, more and more people are rediscovering the art of healing with herbs. I used to suffer from hay fever every year in the Spring. I used to take prescription medicine, but it made me dizzy. I looked up “hay fever” on Dr. Weil’s site and he recommended taking capsules of dried stinging nettle plant. During allergy season, I would pop a couple of capsules when I woke up, and every couple of hours throughout the day. The stuff worked like magic, and I didn’t feel any side effects. I also used to suffer from frequent ear infections. Instead of taking another antibiotic prescription, I started dripping garlic oil into my ear whenever I felt an infection coming on. It always worked great, and the only side effect is that I crave Italian food when I smell the garlic! Garlic is a great herb. In fact, I no longer have any hay fever problems or ear aches, because I eat a couple of raw cloves of garlic every night before bed. It’s better than taking a prescription drug.

A recent study in the “Journal of the American Medical Association” proved that over 100,000 people die every year from prescription drugs. That’s why I prefer natural methods, such as herbs, because herbs are safe and have been used for thousands of years.

However, the government through the FDA has plans to reclassify virtually all vitamins, supplements, herbs and even vegetable juices as FDA-regulated drugs. Massage oils and massage rocks will be classified as medical devices and require FDA approval. Keep in mind, the FDA is the agency that says that vaccinations and mercury are good for you. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta recently stated that the average autism rate is 6.6 per 1,000, or about 1 in 150 American children.

If mercury and vaccinations are so good for us and our children, why, when the average amount of loans for medical students is in excess of $100,000, hasn’t a doctor taken up Jock Doubleday on his challenge for a doctor to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additives? He will pay $75,000 until July 31st, and then he will increase the bounty to $90,000 and each month it will increase at a rate of $5,000 per month until someone accepts. Are there any doctors willing to pay off their student loans and prove to us that vaccines are safe for our children?

The additives are the same as those contained in the vaccines recommended for a 6-year-old according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines, and the dose would be body-weight calibrated. It would include, but not be limited to: Thimerosal (a mercury derivative), Ethylene glycol (antifreeze), Phenol (a disinfectant dye), Aluminum Benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), and Formaldehyde (a preservative and disinfectant).

Contact Mr. Doubleday, if you need your student loans repaid, or if you want to provide some cash for your family after you die from drinking the mixture, at [email protected].

President Bush has vowed to veto an active and current bill in Congress that would ban mercury in vaccines. For those of y’all that don’t know, mercury is the second most toxic metal known to man behind Uranium. Why is thimerosal used in vaccines? Is it to prevent vaccine contamination? Or is something more sinister going on? According to Safeminds.org, autism advocacy groups are outraged because President Bush stated in a questionnaire during his 2004 campaign: “I support the removal of thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine schedule.” But since 2005, President Bush has refused to issue an Executive Order banning high amounts of mercury in vaccines that would protect our children and pregnant women despite his promise. A study done at the University of Washington in 2006 showed that thimerosal, which is inorganic mercury, leads to neuroinflammatory disease which is proven to be the underlying medical condition of autism.

If you search for “Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda” on youtube.com, you can watch a great presentation by Dr. David Ayoub about vaccines. Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of Health, has stated that "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Vaccines are toxic and that is why you should not vaccinate your children. If you want to learn about healthy and natural living, master herbalists David & Fawn Christopher have a radio show over the Internet at:

ahealthieryouradio.net. Some other sites that I visit regularly include: naturalhealers.com, herbalhealer.com, blacklistedherb.com, mountainroseherbs.com, essiacinfo.org/essiac.html and enerhealthbotanicals.com. Use the Internet to find out information and get healthy! "

And today, I found this:
Drug Company Had Hit List for Doctors Who Criticized Them

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/23/Drug-Company-Had-Hit-List-for-Doctors-Who-Criticized-Them.aspx

The common thread here is that drug companies are willing to do just about anything to make you, and your physician, think their drugs are great -- quietly devising a hit list of doctors to silence, collecting secret reports on doctors, buying off Congress, advertising to you in your living room … and what else?

Across the board, drugmakers do an excellent job of publicizing the things they want you to know, while keeping very quiet about the rest. For instance it was recently revealed that drugmaker AstraZeneca “buried” unfavorable studies on its antipsychotic drug Seroquel that showed it may cause diabetes and other health problems.

They’re also well known for funding their own studies so they can have a say in how the results turn out. This isn’t just my opinion; it’s well known that studies funded by industry or conducted by researchers with industry ties tend to favor corporate interests.

Drug companies also shower money and other incentives onto medical schools and their professors, even prestigious schools like Harvard, to get medical students to jump on board with their way of thinking right from the start.

The way the drug companies operate is like a massively powerful, well-run, and well-oiled machine -- but it is not invincible.

As more people like you learn the truth about the drug companies, including that their primary motive is money, not your health, the sooner we will begin to see real positive change in the health care arena.

[dgjmj]

Are people expecting a drug and/or vaccine to have absolutely no adverse effects, ever?

It's a legitimate question.

For the - I'm quoting the previous poster's numbers - 17000 people who had a reaction....how many did not? Over 100 MILLION people in the US have had the hep B vaccine.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I'm not for one second even loosely implying that there's no harm done.

But keep it in perspective.

Acetaminophen causes over 56,000 cases of toxicity every year.

Should we remove acetaminophen from the shelves?

Very respectfully,

CO
(who used to work with patients to get them a fair settlement relating to the whole phen-fen debacle)

Absolutely true but for some odd reason we are more aware of known side effects from Acetaminophen , or other OTC drugs heck I absolutely cannot take day nyquil sp? When I needed to disclose to a dr the medications that I have had side effects to I have never been told "nope that could not of happen to you because of that medicine." That is what is more frustrating for me than anything else to tell me that no your child could not be having an allergic reaction from her immunizations as if I was some kind of nut.

[BankruptPinoy]

Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda - 1:31:16 -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Mercury%2C+Autism+and+the+Global+Vaccine+Agenda&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda
David Ayoub, M.D. outlines the link between mercury and autism as well its connections to “National Security Study Memorandum 200”; for population control. Showing its shocking connections to today’s G.A.V.I. Are powerful forces really trying to help the poor people or could it be for another agenda; the sterilization of the poor? This is an upsetting video, so brace yourself.

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696666502913965744&ei=HvsgSZ7NKaeKqQPS6r2xBw&q=the+truth+about+vaccines

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth
This is the shocking but extremely informative video documentary Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998) where fifteen people, including Dr. Viera Scheibner (a PhD researcher), five medical doctors, and other researchers, reveal what is really going on in relation to illness and vaccines. Ironically, the important facts come from orthodox medicine's own peer-reviewed research. With so much government and medical promotion of vaccination for prevention of disease, the video is clearly devoted to presenting the other side of the issue that parents and others are not being told. The result is a damning account of the ineffectiveness of vaccines and their often harmful effects

WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm

Dr. James A. Howenstine is a board certified specialist in internal medicine who spent 34 years caring for office and hospital patients. Curiosity sparked a 4 year study of natural health products when 5 of his patients with severe rheumatoid arthritis were able to discontinue the use of methotrexate (chemotherapy agent) after trying an extract of New Zealand mussels for the therapy of severe rheumatoid arthritis.

Dr. Howenstine is convinced that natural products are safer, more effective and less expensive than pharmaceutical drugs. This research led to the publication of his book 'A Physicians Guide To Natural Health Products That Work'.

[floridian]

Are people expecting a drug and/or vaccine to have absolutely no adverse effects, ever?

It's a legitimate question.

For the - I'm quoting the previous poster's numbers - 17000 people who had a reaction....how many did not? Over 100 MILLION people in the US have had the hep B vaccine.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I'm not for one second even loosely implying that there's no harm done.

But keep it in perspective.

Acetaminophen causes over 56,000 cases of toxicity every year.

Should we remove acetaminophen from the shelves?

Very respectfully,

CO
(who used to work with patients to get them a fair settlement relating to the whole phen-fen debacle)

no, they just want to follow like lemmings and die from government sponsored programs and be lied to!..

do you honestly think that i would have taken a shot that wiped out 17000 people...there was no internet back then...

no biggie, how shallow of me... when i was lying there with tubes coming out my shorts, i should have said "gosharootie, i know this is for the greater good"!

and dont expect to get the straight scoop from doctors, they only know what they are told...when i went down, they checked me for everything from aids to lymes disease and they never heard of all the people dying from shots...

[CarrieOakey]

Categorically and absolutely inaccurate.

Deadly nightshade: herb, can be deadly (thus the name lol)

Kava kava: herb, can and has caused liver failure

Foxglove: can cause fatal heart problems

Lobelia, juniper, hemlock....pennyroyal, tansy, wormwood...

ALL of these natural herbs can be toxic - sometimes fatally.

Every time you ingest something, you run a risk (sometimes slight, sometimes massive) of having either an allergic, or adverse, reaction. Frankly, I don't think it's reasonable to expect a particular ingredient, compound or substance to have absolutely no side effects whatsoever.

With regards to the old evil FDA...yeah, I know. I worked "against" them for awhile (probably not the most accurate term to use, but you get my point), and there are some MAJOR problems in that entity.

Having said that...I believe there's a valid reason why supplements might need to be regulated. At the moment, there's no guarantee whether your herbal supplement is of adequate quality or even whether it IS what it says it is. Regulation would at least ensure some kind of consistency in the manufacturing process.

Just some food for thought, you know?

[CarrieOakey]

no biggie, how shallow of me... when i was lying there with tubes coming out my shorts, i should have said "gosharootie, i know this is for the greater good"!

Sigh..come on, that was a little over defensive.

Nowhere was it implied that you weren't damaged, or that you should be martyred. But there are two sides to every situation. S'all.

Seriously - my husband DIED from a drug reaction. I'm hardly going to be in denial about such things, you know?

[floridian]

the same people that let the drug companies poison you and pay you with public funds when you die, are the same ones that let lobbiest determine how much the CC compnies are allowed to hose you..the same ones that pander to the lobbiest who wrote the 2005 bk 'shaft a rama". then they lie about it..

had it not happened to me personally, i would have thought it came from conspiracy theorist website...

[CarrieOakey]

the same people that let the drug companies poison you and pay you with public funds when you die, are the same ones that let lobbiest determine how much the CC compnies are allowed to hose you..the same ones that pander to the lobbiest who wrote the 2005 bk 'shaft a rama". then they lie about it..

had it not happened to me personally, i would have thought it came from conspiracy theorist website...

Right.

[TheBrokeCouple]

You Go Jim Carrey

Try living with two children that have Autism. Children that were vibrant and born without flaw. Try having two children who can't look you in the eyes, or say I love you.

That's what vaccines can do to your children....I dare you to drink them.

All we want as parents of Children with Autism is for them to be pure, clean an only given when really neccessary.

[frustrated7]

When I was transferring from community college to the university for my BA degree, I found out my tetanus vaccine was about to expire (10 years since the previous one). The university required me to get another one in order to be a student or they would refuse to let me attend. So I went to my doctor, had the tetanus shot, and took documentation of that to them. The university then informed me that I had to have the combination of tetanus and diphtheria vaccination. I went back to my regular doctor, who, get this, refused to give any adults diphtheria vaccinations because of the serious risks involved. While there are risks to all vaccinations, in people of all ages, my doctor was adament that it was far too dangerous to give adults the tetanus/diphtheria vaccination. His office wouldn't even carry that combination and would never give it to an adult patient. Even though I took the university his statement about that, they still required me to get the combination and said they would give it to me there. Then they had me sign forms saying that if I died from it, they could not be held responsible. I was completely disgusted and made it clear that I was not happy and they were being irresponsible with the health of their students. I did have the combination vaccination, since it was the only way I could attend that university to get my BA. Thankfully, I was fine with no side effects, though I did tell loved ones that if something went wrong they should pursue what happened.

The interesting part of this is that in general, I am supportive of vaccinations. But let's use some common sense and not endanger the safety of people whose own doctor absolutely insists something is too dangerous for their patient.

I feel horrible for all the people who have they themselves suffered or a loved one suffer because of vaccinations gone wrong, medications that harmed them, or...really, anything else that makes that person a victim of greedy drug companies who try to hide the risks involved in something. Everyone has the right to informed consent.

Just my two cents...(or was it three?)