Rising Gas Prices

[WhatMoney]

Getting back to gas prices - I'll make a prediction:

Just before the November 2008 election oil will be selling for under $90/bbl and gasoline prices will be under $2.50/gallon in some areas of the country.

And JRScott will still be blaming the evil speculators in the Futures market for the drop in prices, well, he will if he is consistent - he can't have it both ways.

Oh, and after the election oil will go back to $175/bbl and regular gas will be at $6/gallon by late spring of 2009. The chance of a joint US/Israel attack on Iran after the election, but before the next President is sworn in is also high. Bush wants to leave the biggest mess ever for his predecessor to clean up. Almost makes me hope McCain wins.

[BankruptPinoy]

David Icke Newsletter, June 15th, 2008

THE OLD GAME PLAYED AGAIN ...



... WITH INTEREST

Hello all ...

When I opened the computer today the first story I saw was a prediction that the price of oil was likely to set a record of $140 a barrel. I have seen other longer term suggestions that it could pass $200 or more.

We can bandy around numbers and speculate till nightfall, but it's the theme that matters. In terms of the oil price we are entering very dangerous territory because of all that comes from this.

When oil goes up dramatically, so does everything else. This is not just because oil is used in the manufacturing process, and the packaging plastics and chemicals, but also because everything has to be transported - often ludicrous distances in the fairyland of 'globalisation'.

I remember being taken aback not so long ago when the cost of filling my average family car passed £40 (around $80). Now it is more than £60 ($120). Fortunately, I don't use the car to drive long distances very often, but imagine if you had to fill up twice a week. That's nearly £500 ($1,000) a month in fuel.

It is sobering to think that in 1997 the average price of a barrel of Brent crude was $12.72; in 2007 it was $72.39; and now we are looking at $140 or even higher. The price has doubled in the last year and last Wednesday's rise was the third-largest on record, just behind the record-setting gains on June 5 and 6.

It is devastating family budgets and causing such mayhem for business, especially those involved with haulage, that there are gathering protests in Europe at government tax levels on fuel which account for the majority of the price at the filling station.



But for the oil companies (the oil cartel, ultimately controlled by the same network) it is a bonanza. They have struck gold as well as oil with record profits at a time when everyone else is suffering.

So cynical are those in the petroleum pig trough that they increase the price at the pump of fuel that comes from long-term storage tanks or was in transit when the price at the wells was increased. In other words, they are charging the higher prices for oil that they bought at lower prices.

Record profits? It's a synch when you have no scruples, decency or compassion - no empathy.

At the same time, food prices are soaring and, at least in the UK, so is the cost of gas and electricity. With higher prices across the whole range of essential and non-essential goods and services comes less consumption; and with that comes less production, which means fewer people are needed to produce and serve - thus gathering unemployment.

All this comes in the wake of the 'Credit Crunch' in which the outrageous (and manipulated) greed and behaviour of the banking system led to the 'crisis' that has dramatically reduced the amount of money brought into circulation by banks 'lending' figures-on-a-screen 'money' - credit.



This, in turn, has hit the same businesses and families who are struggling with the exploding price of almost everything.

All of this is no accident or finger of fate. It is coldly and callously coodinated to achieve the desired end of global dictatorship.

I can describe no better what is happening today than recount what occurred in the 1970s, a time that is being oft-quoted at the moment in the light of current events. What they don't tell you is the real background to what happened then.

I have seen reports that the recent meeting of the Bilderberg Group in Washington was seeking to manipulate the oil price to stratospheric levels. One figure I saw quoted was in excess of $200 a barrel.

The Bilderberg Group is the annual secretive gathering of leading puppets and puppeteers in global politics, business, banking, military and media that rarely gets reported in the mainstream press nor on radio and television. It was officially formed in 1954 and its hands, or rather those of it's steering committee and leading manipulators like the Rothschilds, David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger, can be found attached to the strings of a vast catalogue of society-changing and world-changing events.

One such example was the oil price hike of the 1970s that led to enormous changes globally, both politically and economically, which advanced the agenda for Planet Orwell.

In the prelude to this Bilderberg strike more than 30 years ago the value of the US dollar was plummeted, just as it has been during the Bush adminstration since the invasion of Iraq. The significance of this is that oil is priced and sold in dollars and so they claim that the price must rise as the value of the oil currency falls because oil becomes cheaper to other stronger currencies and so demand goes up.




Bilderberg's leading darks, David Rockefeller and Henry Kisssinger: old, cold and callous men

In May 1973, the Bilderberg Group met on an island at Saltsjoebaden, Sweden, owned by the Swedish banking family, the Wallenbergs. The meeting was organised by Robert D. Murphy, who, as US Consul in Munich, sent back favourable reports about Adolf Hitler in the 1920s. Under the chairmanship of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the Bilderberg meeting brought together 84 leading financial and political manipulators, who included:

Lord Roll of Ipsden from S.G. Warburg; Henry Kissinger; Robert O. Anderson, owner of Atlantic Richfield Oil; Sir Eric Drake, the chairman of BP; Sir Dennis Greenhill, a director of BP; Rene Granier de Lilliac, of French Petroleum; Gerrit A. Wagner, president of Royal Dutch Shell; George Ball of Lehman Brothers; David Rockefeller of Chase Manhattan Bank; Zbigniew Brzezinski, director of the newly-formed Trilateral Commission, future national security advisor to Jimmy Carter and now the man behind Barack Obama; Helmut Schmidt, the German Finance Minister; Otto Wolff von Amerongen of German Chambers of Commerce; Denis Healey, the then soon-to-be Chancellor of the Exchequer in Britain; and Baron Edmond de Rothschild.

It was proposed, via Walter Levy, the US Government's official oil economist for the Marshall Plan after Second World War, that the price of oil be increased by 400%.

But, of course, to do this they needed an excuse, a reason that the lapdog media could repeat to the public to hide what was really going on. But that was no problem and, hey presto, five months later came the 'Yom Kippur War' when Egypt and Syria unsuccessfully invaded Israel.

It was this excuse that the Arabs used to massively inflate the price of oil, cut production, and announce an oil embargo against the USA for supporting Israel.

The world economy was thrown into a frenzy and in the UK there was a three-day working week to preserve fuel. Multi-millions lost their jobs and livelihoods throughout the world.


Henry Kissinger and the man he controlled and eventually destroyed, President Richard Nixon.

The architect of the Yom Kippur War was the US National Security Advisor and Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, who also controlled, through his hidden masters, events in one of America's many '51st states', Saudi Arabia, which then used the war as an excuse to send oil prices skyward in line with the Bilderberg target.

The 'shuttle diplomacy' for which Kissinger became famous and, at one time, much revered was, in fact, a policy of misrepresenting each side's position to the others, thus manipulating conflict. In this same year, 1973, Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize!

Look at the sequence of events:

* Through 1972 and 1973, before the Yom Kippur War, the transnational oil companies in the US, like the Rockefellers' Exxon, had been cutting back on the domestic supply of crude oil, reducing stocks to alarming levels in time for the Arab oil embargo and soaring prices they knew were planned in late 1973.
* The oil companies were given a free hand to do this by President Richard Nixon on the advice of his aides, who included Henry Kissinger and his close associate at Bilderberg, George Shultz. In February 1973, Kissinger, Shultz, and John Ehrichman (who was implicated in Watergate) were appointed by Nixon as an 'energy triumvirate' and they effectively controlled US energy policy.
* Three months later came the Bilderberg meeting which agreed to the 400% oil price rise and five months after that came the Yom Kippur War and the price rise and oil embargo on Israel-supporting countries. With domestic supplies so low, the US economy was severely hit.
* In January 1974, Kissinger's sock-puppet, the Shah of Iran, demanded and achieved another 100% increase in the price of oil by the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). The 400% increase decided upon by the Bilderberg Group had been achieved.

To emphasise how this sequence was connected, the Arab oil-producers invested the massive increase in oil revenues in specific Western banks who then 'lent' these petro-dollars to 'Third World' countries who had no chance of paying it back. There you have the origin of 'Third World Debt' that has blighted and destroyed the lives of billions.

This time around the principles of the scam are just the same. The value of the dollar has been in free-fall and instead of an embargo on oil by the Arab oil-producing countries we have the excuse of vastly increasing demand by India and China where oil is subsidised and kept at an artificially low price to people and business compared with the global market.


The demand of China's economic 'miracle' is one reason blamed for the oil price explosion

This has been exacerbated, according to a report by BP this week, by cuts in production, especially - here we go - by Saudi Arabia, or Saudi America, as it really is.

Either way, it's 'we don't have enough oil to meet demand, guys, so we have to put the price up, sorry'.

Then there is the speculation on the commodity markets, the global casino, in which gangsters buy and sell commodities in the hope that they will soon be worth more than they are paying.

Investment based on all commodity futures, not just oil, has risen from $13 billion in 2003 to $260 billion today, according to testimony before the US Congress. This speculation is driving up prices in oil, food and a long list of other commodities. At the same time, oil stockpiles are falling (as in 1972/73), making oil even more valuable.

Now put this all together and you can see that the same network is behind all these connected elements in a war on human society.

Controlling the level of the US dollar or any other currency is easy because that depends on the level at which the currency is bought and sold. Who controls that? Those with the means to buy or sell enormous quantities of the target currency and those with the control of governments and the media to push policies and stories designed to trigger the buying or selling of that currency by others.

And for 'those' read the Illuminati network of families, banks and investment houses.

Ben Bernanke, the chairman Federal Reserve, the privately-owned 'Central Bank of America', was at the Bilderbeg meeting last week in Washington. His predessessors, Alan Greenspan and Paul Volker, were also Bilderbegers and these are the people who set US interest rates and thus the value of the dollar, among much else.


Bernanke: 'And the best one is that the people think it's me who makes the decisions ... heh, heh, heh.'

Controlling the amount of oil being produced in places like Saudi Arabia is in the gift of the same Illuminati families and so is the focus of investment in the commodity markets where they control trillions of dollars to invest or withdraw to push prices up or down at will.

The network also controls the policy in China and India and I have to smile when I see researchers talking about a 'battle' between the Chinese and the Illuminati. You are having a laugh. They may call themselves different names, but they are ultimately controlled by the same force and China is planned to be a major weapon in the Illuminati's manipulation of events to create their world government dictatorship.

The rise of China and India as global economic powers is all linked to this and their production of goods (in India services) to undercut the rest of the world is creating massive dependency and destroying manufacturing and service companies, and so jobs, throughout the 'Western' world. And dependency = control.

Kissinger and the Bush family have long been close to the Chinese leadership and, indeed, it was the Illuminati networks in the 'West' that orchestrated the Mao Communist 'revolution' that created the monsterous regime that we see today.


Kissinger and Mao

The pieces in the picture that I have been predicting all these years are now being dropped into place and these include a massive economic recession, food shortages and skyrocketing prices for essential goods and services. It is already happening.

The key word, yet again, is FEAR. When people are in fear they will give their power away to those they believe can protect them from their fear or situation. In the late 19th century, the Freemasonic guru and Ku Klux Klan member, Albert Pike, is alleged to have sent a letter to another Illuminati kingpin of the time, Giusseppe Mazzini, predicting three world wars, two of which have already happened. See the alleged letter in full here ...

Two of the wars described in the letter have already happened and this is what he is said to have written about World War Three:

'The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion ... We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

[Definition of Nihilist: An extreme form of scepticism that denies all existence; a doctrine holding that all values are baseless.]

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.'

They plan to create massive disorder, 'a formidable social cataclysm', and then offer the 'order' - their 'order' - out of that chaos and upheaval: Problem-Reaction-Solution.

The gathering economic chaos of today is part of that plan and one of the 'solutions' will be the ever-increased centralisation of power ('We need a global government to introduce global solutions') and eventually the suggestion that all currencies should be abolished in favour of a world currency that would be purely electronic.

We are now entering the eye of the storm in so many ways, the time when the immovable object (or what thinks it is, but isn't) looks in the face of the irresitable force, the gathering awakening of human consciousness.

It is a time to stay calm and detached from events, in the sense of observing the experience and not being it, as I talked about last week. We are Infinite Consciousness, what happens to us in this decoded illusion is an experience, that's all.

If we get caught in being the experience in this next stage we will suppress, through fear, our true potential to awaken to a greater awareness and we will suffer emotionally when there is no need to if we move our angle of perception.

Challenging times, indeed, but isn't that why we came?
by David Icke

[WhatMoney]

And who is David Icke?

In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial Prison Warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco. They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians. The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.

According to Icke, the reptilian group includes many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder: "The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure — the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'."

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an antisemitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, Bob Hope, and Boxcar ("T" for Texas) Willie. And the big secret is that these people are humanoid reptiles under the control of 12ft tall alien lizards which live in caves. Oh, and when nobody's looking, the likes of Boxcar Willie can shed their human mask and turn back into giant lizards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

[BankruptPinoy]

Stop Oil Speculation Now

http://capwiz.com/sosnow/issues/alert/?alertid=11571321

Tell Congress to Act Now to Lower Energy Costs

The oil price bubble is unfairly taxing American families and restricting our nation’s economic potential. While everyone is aware that supply and demand constraints contribute to price increases, there’s another force at work that, like gravity, is invisible yet powerful. This force is rampant speculation.

Every time you buy products such as food or gas, you are impacted by unregulated, secretive and often foreign commodities futures markets. Speculators in these markets are increasingly buying and selling commodities such as oil even though they have no intention of using the product. As unregulated speculators pocket billions of dollars at your expense, the price of commodities has increased out of proportion to marketplace demands.

Please take a moment and tell Congress to act now. By adopting common-sense solutions, Congress dramatically reduce the price of oil and gas, providing immediate relief for businesses and hard working Americans.

I don't know if this a real letter or what, but I thought some might find it interesting:

AN OPEN LETTER
TO ALL AIRLINE CUSTOMERS
From 12 Airline CEOs.

Our country is facing a possible sharp economic downturn because of skyrocketing oil and fuel prices, but by pulling together, we can all do something to help now.

For airlines, ultra-expensive fuel means thousands of lost jobs and severe reductions in air service to both large and small communities. To the broader economy, oil prices mean slower activity and widespread economic pain. This pain can be alleviated, and that is why we are taking the extraordinary step of writing this joint letter to our customers.

Since high oil prices are partly a response to normal market forces, the nation needs to focus on increased energy supplies and conservation. However, there is another side to this story because normal market forces are being dangerously amplified by poorly regulated market speculation.

Twenty years ago, 21 percent of oil contracts were purchased by speculators who trade oil on paper with no intention of ever taking delivery. Today, oil speculators purchase 66 percent of all oil futures contracts, and that reflects just the transactions that are known. Speculators buy up large amounts of oil and then sell it to each other again and again. A barrel of oil may trade 20-plus times before it is delivered and used; the price goes up with each trade and consumers pick up the final tab. Some market experts estimate that current prices reflect as much as $30 to $60 per barrel in unnecessary speculative costs.

Over seventy years ago, Congress established regulations to control excessive, largely unchecked market speculation and manipulation. However, over the past two decades, these regulatory limits have been weakened or removed. We believe that restoring and enforcing these limits, along with several other modest measures, will provide more disclosure, transparency and sound market oversight. Together, these reforms will help cool the over-heated oil market and permit the economy to prosper.

The nation needs to pull together to reform the oil markets and solve this growing problem.

We need your help. Get more information and contact Congress by visiting www.StopOilSpeculationNow.com.

Richard Anderson
CEO
Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Gerard J. Arpey
Chairman, President and CEO
American Airlines, Inc.

Bill Ayer
Chairman, President and CEO
Alaska Airlines, Inc.

Dave Barger
CEO
JetBlue Airways Corporation

Mark B. Dunkerley
President and CEO
Hawaiian Airlines, Inc.

Robert Fornaro
Chairman, President and CEO
AirTran Airways

Timothy E. Hoeksema
Chairman, President and CEO
Midwest Airlines

Lawrence W. Kellner
Chairman and CEO
Continental Airlines, Inc.

Gary Kelly
Chairman and CEO
Southwest Airlines Co.

Douglas Parker
Chairman and CEO
US Airways Group, Inc.

Douglas M. Steenland
President and CEO
Northwest Airlines, Inc.

Glenn F. Tilton
Chairman, President and CEO
United Airlines, Inc.

[WhatMoney]

Oil rebounds as Iran tensions flare

Yep, it must be all those evil speculators buying oil over and over among themselves causing the price increase...

NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices rebounded by more than $5 a barrel Thursday, as another missile launch by Iran stoked worries that escalating political tensions in the Middle East could cut off supplies out of the region.

A day after Iran tested a missile capable of reaching Israel, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned the oil-producing nation that the United States will defend its allies. Iran then responded with another missile launch.

The mounting hostilities drew buyers back into the jittery energy markets, said John Kilduff, senior vice president of risk management at MF Global LLC.

"We fell awfully fast, awfully far," Kilduff said, "and these Iranian tensions are putting a higher and higher floor under this market."

After falling by nearly $10 a barrel on Monday and Tuesday, light, sweet crude for August delivery soared $5.60 to $141.65 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was crude's largest daily leap since June 6, when the July contract jumped by $10.75 a barrel.

On Wednesday, oil prices had seesawed before settling a penny higher at $136.05, ending two days of sharp declines that left prices well below last Thursday's record trading high of $145.85 a barrel.

OPEC's secretary general said Thursday that the oil producing group will not be able to replace any shortfalls if Iran is attacked and takes its crude supplies off the market. The fear is that Iran could block the Strait of Hormuz, a passageway that handles about 40 percent of the world's tanker traffic.

Meanwhile, attacks on Nigerian oil facilities could again disrupt supplies in that oil-rich region. On Thursday, Nigeria's main militant group vowed to resume attacks because of Britain's recent pledge to back the government in the conflict there. Attacks by the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta over the past two years have already slashed the country's normal daily oil output by a quarter.

Crude has reached a confounding point in its multi-year surge.

Supply worries certainly abound, and the value of the U.S. dollar, a major factor in oil's trek upward, remains weak against other currencies. But while investors don't want to lose out on another price increase, they are also seeing reasons -- most notably, the flagging U.S. economy -- to believe that oil (price) might be peaking.

Thursday July 10, 4:23 pm ET
By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080710/oil_prices.html

[BankruptPinoy]

http://www.thisisull.com/opinions/20...election4.html
David Icke blows away 400 people at a Free Public Meeting on Sunday, July 6th By Mo

Believe him or not David Icke is one of very few people who can hold an audience in the palm of his hand for many hours, well beyond the one and a half hours reported on the internet.

His three and a half hour talk enthralled the audience with revelations beyond the scheming Big Brother drones in the Tory and Labour parties to the fact that Neocons' behind the Big Brother State are supporting David Davis in his 'opposition' to the Big Brother State.

This inversion is an attempt to limit the extent to which this issue reveals the truth about the Big Brother Agenda to you.

I am not about to go through David Ickes theories, best you check them yourselves (you should buy the book The David Icke Guide to Global Conspiracy and how to end it).

What I will quote from David Ickes talk is "When each one of us stops acting based on what is right for us as individuals and begins to act based on what is RIGHT and JUST for all beings on this planet, the tide will turn and Big Brother will be no more".

And as for Wikipedia..."I'm going to log on to Wikipedia here and I am going to change it," said comedian Stepehen Colbert. "You see, any user can change any entry. And if enough other users agree with them, it becomes true."

Though Wikipedia's raison d'etre is obviously based around allowing
users to edit the content, the checks to prevent abuse and organized
partisan attack campaigns against certains subjects or ideas are
non-existent and the absence of any kind of reasonable moderation is
destroying Wiki's reputation.

Wikipedia is fast becoming a complete anathema to reliable research
and will see its wavering reputation as a trustworthy source for
information quickly evaporate if it continues to allow itself to be
abused by intelligence agencies, corporations and dedicated trolls.

Wikipedia is NOT a source for news. It is a source of user-generated (and yes, sometimes biased) content. Anyone who considers Wikipedia a source of news (let alone breaking news) isn't grounded in reality.

The mainstream media's infatuation with Wikipedia as a news source astounds me. Wikipedia is not 100 percent reliable. In fact, the site even says that "newer articles may still contain significant misinformation, unencyclopedic content, or vandalism." (The Reuters article points this out, while Ahrens conveniently leaves it out.)

http://www.jasonunger.com/2006/07/10/wikipedia-and-ken-lay-not-a-real-story/

A little background: Wikipedia is an open-format Internet encyclopedia available to just about anyone who wants to write and edit an article. It was launched in English in January 2001 and now has millions of articles in several languages. "Wikiwiki," by the way, is Hawaiian for "fast."

Unlike, say, the Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia has no formal peer review for its articles. They may be written by experts or insane crazy people. Or worse, insane crazy people with an agenda. And Internet access.

If the statement that "history is written by the winners" is too gross, it does speak to an underlying truth: All definitive encyclopedia authorship comes with the point of view of its times. It is unavoidable. As august and reliable as the Britannica is, one need only look back to 19th-century versions to see its Anglo-centric viewpoint and curious study of others that treated foreigners (say, Africans) as anthropological subjects rather than human equals.

An encyclopedia written from many points of view should, in theory, help eliminate that flaw. Further, as well-girded in research as encyclopedia authors are, there are countless experts on thousands of topics that know more than the Wikipedia authors;...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800135.html

In conclusion, I do not discount someone's thoughts or ideas just because I may not agree with them, nor do I partake knowingly in ad hom attacks.

"My method is to post anything I find of interest, not what I believe to be true. I'm not here to be some sort of web dictator to say what is
true, what should be on the web, or what should be shot down the
memory hole."

-Rob Daven

I am not wanting to force my viewpoints on anyone, but rather help
others to think for themselves, and in conclusion, I just would others to think
about this quote,

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and
rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found
written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on
the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

--The Buddha

[BankruptPinoy]

Wondering who David Icke really is? Here is the BBC documentary on him:

David Icke - Was He Right? - 46 min

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6860946590182985661

"Channel 5 documentary from 12/26/06 which chronicles David Icke's career to present day, and asks the big question - Was he right? A very impartial and fair documentary."

I'd rather watch it and judge for myself than read something from Wikipedia.

[WhatMoney]

I'd rather watch it and judge for myself than read something from Wikipedia

OK, there are many many sources. My quotes were actually NOT all from Wikipedia. Only one paragraph I think was from Wikipedia. But I've been told that it's a waste of time to post links because nobody looks at them anyway, so I'm not posting links for everything. Did you actually check the Wikipedia site?

But what about that lizard theory he wrote about in his book The Biggest Secret?. The book is real - I can buy it used on Amazon cheap. Is his reptilian theory fact or fiction? What do you believe? Are Jews really reptiles? Hitler thought so. Boxcar Willie and Bob Hope are dead, so I guess we'll never know about them. But I'm sure George W. Bush is a lizard under his skin.

"Having read a couple of Mr. Icke's books his writings tend to be a hotchpotch of age old conspiracy theories dressed up in new age thinking. Anti-Semitic propaganda has historically caricaturised Jews as reptiles (Icke claims that shape-shifting reptiles rule the world) and when Icke claims that these reptiles eat blond haired, blue eyed children... As far as I'm concerned, the jury is out on whether Mr. Icke is anti-Semitic. His books are entertaining and he is a very good writer so I would recommend his books, However, they should be taken with a huge amount of salt and should be read in conjunction with Norman Cohn's 'Warrant for Genocide' and other books detailing the connections between anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories."

You are welcome to believe all this stuff. I don't.

[BankruptPinoy]

Anti-semitic? David Icke? Don't believe everything on Wikipedia, or anywhere, for that matter.

This is from a friend in Thurso, Scotland:

Anyone who has heard one of Icke's lectures, or read any of his books, knows that those allegations are bollocks.

I've never heard him say anything that could be construed as anti-semitism. I would have walked out if he had.

I have no time for the philosophy of morons and anti-semitism fits neatly into that particular dustbin.

[WhatMoney]

Well, anyone who calls Henry Kissinger, a Jew, a reptilian from the center of the earth, may be right or crazy - or just very silly. He has certainly done his share of damage to the world in my opinion. Here is a balanced view of Ickes possible anti-semitism, or not. The conclusion is left up to the reader. Seems to me he's just a good fiction writer that attracts the conspiracy crowd.

Claims of antisemitism

A number of commentators have written that Icke's theories imply a form of antisemitism because of his references to a secret elite that rules the world, including prominent Jewish banking families, who he says planned the Holocaust and financed Adolf Hitler. He also makes reference to the antisemitic hoax, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free he wrote:
I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel.Icke believes that Combat 18 is a front for the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which in turn is an "Illuminati front."[13] The role of the ADL, he says, is to "brand as anti-Semitic" anyone who gets close to "the truth."[13] In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free, he wrote: "In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?"[29]

Icke has strongly denied that his reptiles represent Jews, calling it "friggin' nonsense." [13] "I am not an anti-Semite!", he told The Guardian, "I have a great respect for the Jewish people." [6] He maintains that the reptilians are not human, and therefore not Jewish, but are "extra-dimensional entities" that enter and control human minds. "This is not a Jewish plot. This is not a plot on the world by Jewish people," he told Jon Ronson.[13]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke <<Caution Highly Biased Site!

[bmrigs]

I love how the zionist media likes to throw the term "anti-semitism" around to scare the sheep back into the herd. I have a few of David Ickes books and he is not opposed to Jewish persons but opposed to those who use the racist political ideology of Zionism to control and harm the peoples of the world. If you break down the word anti-semite, you would understand that it means, "anti" meaning opposed to or against, and semite means those peoples of Arab or Hebrew descent. For people of the Bible, they can understand it as the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael. The media never accuse people of anti-semitism when someone disparages Arabs even though they are considered semitic peoples. It appears that those calling themselves Jews have the monopoly on the term. But I would propose that no Jew worth the name living today has the blood of Isaac flowing through his or her veins. These Jews today are descendants of Southern Russia and Europe who didnt speak Hebrew but a Yiddish dialect. They are Ashkenazi Jews. They have embraced Zionism which is not a divinely revealed faith and have used this ideology to take a land in Palestine that was never theirs to claim. They can never claim that the "Holy Land" is theirs, or the Torah represents them because they are not of the Semitic peoples. So no "Jew" living in US, Europe, Israel can claim against someone anti-semitism when they are not even semitic themselves. There are Jews in the world that have semitic blood in them and they are called Sephardic. They reside in areas of Iraq, Iran, Ethiopia, and so forth. Now as to David Icke, he lost credibility with me when he started going into the shape shifiting reptilian theories.

[BankruptPinoy]

Wow bmrigs. Thanks for that explanation.

[Bandit]

For people of the Bible, they can understand it as the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael. The media never accuse people of anti-semitism when someone disparages Arabs even though they are considered semitic peoples. It appears that those calling themselves Jews have the monopoly on the term. But I would propose that no Jew worth the name living today has the blood of Isaac flowing through his or her veins.

Aint that off, how they all try the monopoly on different terms? & no one else is allowed to call themselves it?

We are too much in agreement on these things. Is there a catch
You know I have many conversations with them. I know for a fact one of the rules for their messiah is they are supposed to be able to trace their blood/seed back to David, or he cannot be the Messiah. I ask how they plan to do that & pick the right Messiah...& they either get real mad or have no answer. Though some of them just view the messiah thing as metaphor.

Then I want to know if he comes on a donkey or in a mercedes. Just Kidding!

If you have ever seen the rules it becomes so obvious that what they expect is impossible to perform today...unless someone is a very good liar.

There might be a handful of orthodox who have maintained some kind of oral traditions that survived from centuries. That I feel is worthy or at least plausible in terms of semitic. Even with all the technology, DNA & science today...it aint going to happen, at least not without changing the rules & picking the wrong politician, I mean Messiah. It is like they are all into this bizzare catch 22 that they created. Like a bouncing ball enclosed in a small court & are not aware that there is a door to bounce out of.

As for an interpretation of the original language, say used from the OT bible, I would trust what the jews interpret way before I would trust the christians or muslims. They dont have a clue how to read it with a jewish lense. So in that sense of the language I would agree with them. Though I would prefer to label it as Linguistics rather than semitism, for the same reasons you have mentioned. I am sure you can relate. With the origin of semite refering to many different peoples clear into asia. hmmm

Not to change the subject about price of gas here, but I think about these things from time to time & question the dogma of tradition & myth, much the way you do...how it is all intertwined...and it is interesting how this oil crap in the middle east is what really controls these people of the persuasion they are blessed & a cut above all others. I just cant see anyone or any supreme god with any type of rational & respect, being that pathetic and that biased.

[Bandit]

Wow bmrigs. Thanks for that explanation.

Same here.
You put some good information & links too, BankruptPinoy.

[WhatMoney]

never mind - article already posted