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[Bandit]

so yah, if your religion is not the right one, mgmadara, then why do you go to it? or do you just guess & say maybe & maybe not?

I feel pretty confident that I would not have to travel very far to find people in your institution who think they are the only right ones & who have something to say about those who disagree with the institution.

after all, I seen enough of your religion at obamas church to grant that & turn me off forever.

[JollyGG]

There are many forms of Christianity in this country. Which one is the correct version?

The one that helps you as an individual grow, find peace, find strength, learn who you are in relation to your god and your religion and the one that supports you and helps you learn about god and your faith.

That is the beauty of things. There are so many faiths out there and those who are searching have lots of options.

The Catholic rights and traditions that give me peace help my find strength and give me a connection to my fellow church members seem stiffiling, stiff and oppressive to other. That is okay. There is a church out there for that person as well.

I personally believe that as long as we are all searching and striving to be better people we will all find the path that is right for us.

Every religion has those who are self righteous and judgmental. I simply pray for them as that is usually a response to fear and uncertainty. There will always be people who need to feel superior to others in every group. Every religion also has amazing people who have so many gifts and graces that they freely share with others. I firmly believe that most groups are composed of many many more of the generous that of the righteous. It's just that those who judge others tend to be more vocal than the gentle helpmate, the wise teacher, the generous soul, and the other wonderful people who make up most of a faith.

I make it a practice never to judge a faith by the loud and belligerent who claim to know all the answers, because usually they honestly don't represent the whole of a faith.

[mgmadara]

i never said EVERY & I never said ALL...

You absolutely said "every christian institution" That's the part I disagreed with.

but i can say MOST & give you a very lengthy list if needed, as well as some pretty ugly experiences starting with RCC & pentecostals.

And I said I agree with you to a certain extent.

It matters not to me what your religion is until it gets shoved onto others by use of fear & intimidation

I agree with you, I too hate when people shove their religion down other people's throats. I think religion is something that is unique to each individual person. Each individual has their own interpretation of their higher power, whatever that may be.

& if you go to obamas church then I view that particular congregation as racist. though to my understanding not all of the other churches in that religion are the same as his.

I go to a UCC church, not the exact one that Obama went to. The UCC church is far from racist. We have a long history in civil rights for all people.

so if your religion is not the right one, then which one is? or are they all right with all their disagreements & relentless hate & debate with contradicting dogma? or is your religion the right one but you just dont say it? if it is not the right one then why do you go to it?

I do believe that my religion is the right one for me. I don't believe that my religion is the right one for everybody, or the only one. That's the point I am trying to make. Not all Christians believe that their way is the only way.

does your church say stuff like god dam america instead of god bless america?

Nope.

[mgmadara]

The one that helps you as an individual grow, find peace, find strength, learn who you are in relation to your god and your religion and the one that supports you and helps you learn about god and your faith.

That is the beauty of things. There are so many faiths out there and those who are searching have lots of options.

The Catholic rights and traditions that give me peace help my find strength and give me a connection to my fellow church members seem stiffiling, stiff and oppressive to other. That is okay. There is a church out there for that person as well.

I personally believe that as long as we are all searching and striving to be better people we will all find the path that is right for us.

Every religion has those who are self righteous and judgmental. I simply pray for them as that is usually a response to fear and uncertainty. There will always be people who need to feel superior to others in every group. Every religion also has amazing people who have so many gifts and graces that they freely share with others. I firmly believe that most groups are composed of many many more of the generous that of the righteous. It's just that those who judge others tend to be more vocal than the gentle helpmate, the wise teacher, the generous soul, and the other wonderful people who make up most of a faith.

I make it a practice never to judge a faith by the loud and belligerent who claim to know all the answers, because usually they honestly don't represent the whole of a faith.

Exactly!!! Nice post.

[Bandit]

You absolutely said "every christian institution"

Oh. in that sense of every I stand by the word every christian insititution because even you said yourself that your religion is the right one (at least for you). If it was not every then joining the religion would be an oxymoron.

I also know, that what religions say on the outside is not what is going on in the inside.

The UCC church is far from racist.

um, rev wright & his supporters of your UCC reliigon is viewed as problematic racist my friend, and anti american- even obama saw fit to leave your religion as one of the reasons he left which IMO was the smartest thing he ever did. of course we know he wants that global power as the primary reason.

so you dont go to the same church. ok.

That's the point I am trying to make. Not all Christians believe that their way is the only way.

ok but let me tell you that MOST of them do.
so you are saying that you do not believe Jesus is the only way? unless you say jesus is savior & do all this other stuff (according to whoever) then you go to hell.

The only other two religions I have encountered that do not say that, are, the Christian Science & the Anglicans & they were the most positive human experience in the religion, though I still reject the actual religion(s).

& I think some of the more recent ones in the Unity could be that way too.

But you do know that if you dont say jesus is the only way you are viewed by MOST & the dogma itself as hellbound & apostate by mainstreams. I can prove that very easy if you need it, but somehow I think you already know.

[FLBK7]

Just a thought... Shouldn't you create a sticky for "Religion"? These comments about faith have nothing to do with the original post and should be in a thread of its own.

[mgmadara]

um, rev wright & his supporters of your UCC reliigon is viewed as problematic racist my friend, and anti american- even obama saw fit to leave your religion as one of the reasons he left which IMO was the smartest thing he ever did. of course we know he wants that global power as the primary reason.

so you dont go to the same church. ok.

What happened at Obama's church is definitely not the norm in the UCC denomination. The UCC and it's predecessors were the first to ordain an African American Pastor (1785), first to ordain a female pastor (1853), first to ordain an openly homosexual pastor (1972) and the list goes on with many fights for human rights for every race. It's a shame that the whole denomination is generalized by what happened at 1 church.

Also, Obama left that church, I'm not sure he left the denomination.

ok but let me tell you that MOST of them do.
so you are saying that you do not believe Jesus is the only way? unless you say jesus is savior & do all this other stuff (according to whoever) then you go to hell.

I have no idea if Jesus is the only way. I hope so, but I won't know that until I die. Also, I have never been told that I would go to hell if I didn't believe that Jesus is the only way and I would not be comfortable going to a church that told me that.

But you do know that if you dont say jesus is the only way you are viewed by MOST & the dogma itself as hellbound & apostate by mainstreams. I can prove that very easy if you need it, but somehow I think you already know.

Absolutely agreed, and this is one thing that I dislike about some of the more conservative branches of Christianity. In fact, some members of those more conservative denominations would probably argue that UCC members are not "real" Christians.

[mgmadara]

Just a thought... Shouldn't you create a sticky for "Religion"? These comments about faith have nothing to do with the original post and should be in a thread of its own.

You're probably right, but I am trying to keep Obama in it.

[FLBK7]

You're probably right, but I am trying to keep Obama in it.

LOL!!! Okay, I get it.

[Bandit]

What happened at Obama's church is definitely not the norm in the UCC denomination. The UCC and it's predecessors were the first to ordain an African American Pastor (1785), first to ordain a female pastor (1853), first to ordain an openly homosexual pastor (1972) and the list goes on with many fights for human rights for every race. It's a shame that the whole denomination is generalized by what happened at 1 church.

Also, Obama left that church, I'm not sure he left the denomination.



I have no idea if Jesus is the only way. I hope so, but I won't know that until I die. Also, I have never been told that I would go to hell if I didn't believe that Jesus is the only way and I would not be comfortable going to a church that told me that.



Absolutely agreed, and this is one thing that I dislike about some of the more conservative branches of Christianity. In fact, some members of those more conservative denominations would probably argue that UCC members are not "real" Christians.

Thanks for the notes & a kind one at that. We are on the same page after all. I was simply not fully aware of much difference between the church & denomination, though I know that normally you cannot go just by one.
What usually happens with that is someone disfellowships or gets disfellowshipped or some kind of politics evolve.

I do know that one church is africa centered which to me is bizzare. That would be like me being Native American INdian centered while denying my irish & german roots. it simply does not represent america at all.

I am very agnostic with religion (all religion) so I feel people have a hard time relating to me. not so much agnostic about a god but the religions themselves, the gods they create in their minds & what characters & attributes people come up with faiths treated as fact.

but thanks again, as we see things the same concerning this part.

but as for jesus (& the many saviors of the world) I see it in many different lights & aspects & find the legalism & hierarchy created with the denominations is not jesus at all. there are some very scary jesus people out there & bloodbath christian religions with a very sad & bitter history.

if jesus actually existed, he was not a capitalist as most religions portray.

anything else? LOL!

[Bandit]

Just a thought... Shouldn't you create a sticky for "Religion"? These comments about faith have nothing to do with the original post and should be in a thread of its own.

you can blame me. I am the radical unbeliever of religion. i dont mean to get it rolling on purpose. it just happens. i would hate the thought that this actually turned into a religion forum as I would be gone in a heartbeat but still makes a great place to vent & discuss sometimes.

but hey there are almost 100posts on one thread, so where have you been, FLBK7

[WhatMoney]

Yeah, let's get back to Guilt By Association. Religion is an invention of the human mind. Show me the facts, not faith. Let's see some miracles - examined by sceptical scientists of course. Walking on water, water into wine, bringing back the dead (after a few days in the ground) - something convincing. No magic tricks please.

[FLBK7]

you can blame me. I am the radical unbeliever of religion. i dont mean to get it rolling on purpose. it just happens. i would hate the thought that this actually turned into a religion forum as I would be gone in a heartbeat but still makes a great place to vent & discuss sometimes.

but hey there are almost 100posts on one thread, so where have you been, FLBK7

I've been incredibly busy at work, working late hours without pay (I'm a manager and salaried) and barely keeping up with the forum posts.

[jerzey]

What happened at Obama's church is definitely not the norm in the UCC denomination. The UCC and it's predecessors were the first to ordain an African American Pastor (1785), first to ordain a female pastor (1853), first to ordain an openly homosexual pastor (1972) and the list goes on with many fights for human rights for every race. It's a shame that the whole denomination is generalized by what happened at 1 church.

Also, Obama left that church, I'm not sure he left the denomination.



I have no idea if Jesus is the only way. I hope so, but I won't know that until I die. Also, I have never been told that I would go to hell if I didn't believe that Jesus is the only way and I would not be comfortable going to a church that told me that.



Absolutely agreed, and this is one thing that I dislike about some of the more conservative branches of Christianity. In fact, some members of those more conservative denominations would probably argue that UCC members are not "real" Christians.

You have no idea if Jesus is the Way?
Leave your church, RUN for the hills
When you die its too late. If you dont know in your heart now you are in the wrong place.

You arent a REAL Christian if you dont KNOW/Belive that Jesus is the way truth and light that he is your lord and is is alive seated at the right hand of God
Till you believe that you are not a real chirstian simply deeds dot make the person

[jerzey]