Predatory Subprime Pioneer, Still On Obama Team

[jerzey]

Penny Pritzker and Superior Bank - Is she the innovator who founded the predatory subprime business model in 1993?

When is the media going to give Obama the media bashing he deserves for his contradictory speeches and hollow words? How can you bash predatory lenders for snookering Americans when your campaign finance chairwoman was involved in snookering the very borrowers in your own community?

I am surely not a rocket scientist, but to me, this seems to be a pretty clear connection of culpability.

[JRScott]

Though I"m no fan of Obama's in all fairness if you want all the folks that have questionable ties to anything removed, you'd pretty much have to remove all of McCain and Obama's teams. You don't rise to such levels in those parties without having some dirt on your hands.

[jerzey]

Though I"m no fan of Obama's in all fairness if you want all the folks that have questionable ties to anything removed, you'd pretty much have to remove all of McCain and Obama's teams. You don't rise to such levels in those parties without having some dirt on your hands.

To me on this subject Obama is trying to speak out agasint "BAD " lenders yet 2 people on his team are cover in their subprime dirt

McCain isnt my first choice but IMO we are better off with him
If i find something about him that hits home for me I'll post that too

I dont take side with this, Its the choice of to evils its a matter of who you think will do the less evil in office

[magyar123]

It's just "pick, pick, pick". Now that Obama has disassiciated himself from the two "reverends" in his Chicago church, his enemies have to find others that he can be smeared with.

[lrprn]

The political spin doctors are hard at work already....sigh... so frustrating that we as voters can't see through this "guilt by association" sham played by both sides of the political fence. Also frustrating that we seem to be willing to believe any goofy thing we hear, read, or get in an email without checking it out first for ourselves.

I once bowled on a team with an incredibly nice guy who was a plumber - engaging, funny, life of the party type guy - who ended up being arrested a year later for robbing a local bank. Does that make ME a bank robber because I associated with him??? I never saw him rob a bank and had no idea that's how he spent his spare time. And if I'd have asked him, do you think he would have told me?

Bottom line is NO ONE IS PERFECT - each of us included. Why do we keep make voting decisions like we believe our politicians can't have any flaws, period?? Why does the legitimate media and the spin doctors keep doing everything possible to keep us thinking our candidates have to be perfect or they don't deserve our vote???

All the political spin reminds me of the "slam books" that were passed around in my high school back in the 60s where people anonymously wrote down all kinds of hateful rumors about you and passed them around...sheesh....I thought we would outgrow this finger-pointing, holier-than-thou, hypocritical attitude by now. Guess not.

[Bandit]

The political spin doctors are hard at work already....sigh... so frustrating that we as voters can't see through this "guilt by association" sham played by both sides of the political fence. Also frustrating that we seem to be willing to believe any goofy thing we hear, read, or get in an email without checking it out first for ourselves.

I once bowled on a team with an incredibly nice guy who was a plumber - engaging, funny, life of the party type guy - who ended up being arrested a year later for robbing a local bank. Does that make ME a bank robber because I associated with him??? I never saw him rob a bank and had no idea that's how he spent his spare time. And if I'd have asked him, do you think he would have told me?

Bottom line is NO ONE IS PERFECT - each of us included. Why do we keep make voting decisions like we believe our politicians can't have any flaws, period??

All the potical spin reminds me of the "slam books" that were passed around in my high school back in the 60s where people anonymously wrote down all kinds of hateful rumors about you and passed them around...sheesh....I thought we would outgrow this finger-pointing, holier-than-now, hypocritical attitude by now. Guess not.

Many years ago I was pulled over by a cop & he found paraphernalia
with pot that a friend of mine had forgot in my car. I was found guilty by association & my friend was never even brought into it. The entire thing fell on my shoulders because he was in my car with pot, left the pot in my car & forgot it, & yet I had nothing to do with the pot. Was it fair or right? No it was not but the law says Someone will be held accountable wether right or wrong. So I got my one & only Misdemeanor while doing nothing wrong but was charged guilty by association.


lrpn. You are so funny & helpful & concerned. I think the world of you for so many reasons & especially for the sincerity. But if you think for two seconds that you can get to the whitehouse without shedding innocent blood along the way then you dont know what really happens in the senate & in the house.

Guilt by association is a law that can get you arrested & thrown into jail. You wont be arrested for bowling with someone but you could be arrested if you knew about the robbery & did nothing to help stop it. You ARE known by the people you associate with & you could easily be questioned & have to stand trial just for the fact that you bowled with the man on your team who robbed the bank.
Why do you think Oba dumped his church & preachers? He was guilty of racist & hate america speech- by association, & he could never have beat McCain with that on his plate.

I very much so view these people as greedy power hungry individuals who want to rule the globe & if they have to take you out to do it, they will. It has alway been like this clear back into old bible days which is probably why it influences people to not be involved with men in affairs of politics if you want to keep your slate clean.

have you ever had a look at the brain on politics? It is so informative & will make you see that you vote based on emotions and not the facts themselves. It also reveals how easy it is for everyone to ignore certain facts and give more regard to other facts depending on the wording used. THEN you understand how they win Pres. elections & the best, coolest, most sly liar wins.
That is show biz in politics in a nut shell

Unfortunately, we are not getting a Moses or a Jesus or a Buddah or a Mohammed for president this time, maybe next time but not this one

Just what I believe & what I see, is all, and thanks for listening.

[WhatMoney]

In all fairness to Mr Obama, I think equal time should be given to John McCain scandals. Guilt By Association goes both ways...

John McCain scandals:

Donald Diamond and his development at Fort Ord, in Seaside, California

Steven Betts and his SunCor development at the Yavapai Ranch in Arizona

Del Web Corp. and its Las Vegas project

Carl H. Lindner, Jr's Great American Life development in the Tonto National Forest

Obstruction & Closure of the Senate's POW/MIA investigation

32 enemy propaganda broadcasts for special treatment as a POW

Divorcing the handicapped wife who waited during his captivity for a younger heiress

Taking the Dineh people's land, water, and Coal, to give to greedy corporations

Campaigning in SC as a Baptist, after 15 years in a Methodist Church and never baptized

Rev. John Hagee who preached that gays brought Katrina to New Orleans

Revs. Falwell and Robertson who preached that abortions and the ACLU caused 9/11

Raising millions $$$ offshore from globalist kingpin Baron Rothschild in London March 20th

The $2 Billion Lincoln Federal S&L bailout as a member of the "Keating Five"

Federal mischief in the sweetheart deal for J.P Morgan to buy Bear Stearns

[Bandit]

In all fairness to Mr Obama, I think equal time should be given to John McCain scandals. Guilt By Association goes both ways...

John McCain scandals:

...it is only fair & all is fair with guilt by association. so be careful where we go & who we associate with. McCain is a big mess.
It is real bad this time. It makes you wish we were back to Juliano or Edwards. It makes them look like angels.

[lrprn]

It makes you wish we were back to Juliano or Edwards. It makes them look like angels.

Only because Juliani and Edwards aren't running now so the spin meisters haven't gotten their hooks into them. They would both be dripping blood right now too if they had been the final party choices.

I swear even Mother Teresa would come out of a US election looking like a streetwalker on crack!

Still think it's sad that we as voters tolerate this cr**.

[lrprn]

...will make you see that you vote based on emotions and not the facts themselves. It also reveals how easy it is for everyone to ignore certain facts and give more regard to other facts depending on the wording used. THEN you understand how they win Pres. elections & the best, coolest, most sly liar wins.

That is show biz in politics in a nut shell

I hear you, Bandit. Emotions will always play a part in our elections because humans are involved. Just wish gossip and rumor-mongering wasn't such an enjoyable human pastime. Sigh....I'm such a dreamer!

[PoorGrammyinBK7]

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I swear even Mother Teresa would come out of a US election looking like a streetwalker on crack!
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Good one!

[JRScott]

As lrprn says there are no perfect people.

If we removed everyone who had any flaw we would have no candidates.

Now you do have to sit down and look at a persons life. Jesus sat with what the Pharisees considered to be sinners. However he did not act as the sinners he sat with, he hoped that they would learn from his example. Thus when we find out about certain associations, we should look at how the person who is attacked by these associations acts. Are they merely in the midst of these people or are they of the same belief?

It's like how my Grandmother approached me a few months ago and kept harping on about Obama's middle name Hussein. She also kept telling me he was a Muslim which I corrected because he has never been Muslim. She then kept harping about his middle name and its funny because she doesn't like her middle name. I told her there are many reasons not to vote for the man, but if your only reason is a middle name he had not choice in just like you had no choice in yours, what reason is that?

The people with the least flaws generally do not make it through the primary season due to media influence. The Media is looking for ratings and they don't want two main contenders who don't have issues because then they have nothing to report. So we today have Barrack Obama and John McCain. Both men have had many associations in the past which are questionable. Both have had ethical violations in the past. I'm mostly very saddened because of their recent records in the Senate, no American worker could miss so much work and keep their jobs in our nation or be promoted. I just don't see the worth in promoting men who can't do the job they were elected already to do. That's my main hang up with both. It should be noted in 2000 I did support McCain even over Hatch.

If we had the people with the least flaws then we'd see Bill Richardson running against Mitt Romney. Neither man has ever had any ethical violations, they both have kept their word as governor even though both men had to make some compromises in doing so. However neither of them would have been perfect either, as both have changed stances in the past on issues. What killed their candidacies more than anything was the media concentrating on Romney's religion and on Richardson's race. They got little other coverage. In a nation where the first amendment guarantees the freedom of religion and the fifteenth amendment guarantees against discrimination because of race such coverage was underhanded and un-American.

[WhatMoney]

I'm mostly very saddened because of their recent records in the Senate, no American worker could miss so much work and keep their jobs in our nation or be promoted. I just don't see the worth in promoting men who can't do the job they were elected already to do. That's my main hang up with both.

Well as you said to your mother, what kind of reason is that?

Is it any coincidence that out of the top six senators that missed the most votes in the last year, that five of them were presidential candidates?

You really expect the candidates to sit in their Washington office and wait for roll call votes instead of campaigning in the States primaries? They do have large staffs to handle the daily stuff - and Obama did return for a few critical votes, unlike McCain and Hillary.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/

Before July 2007, when the primary started, the voting/attendance of the candidates were all high. Find a better reason to not vote for them than this.

[Bandit]

I view someone like deli lama & princess diana as good leaders. I see Abraham Lincoln as a good leader because he helped everyone, though I never actually knew him. Harriet Tubman was a good leader and helped many along the way & represents american freedom & courage.

There is a huge difference between a leader & a politician & neither McC or Oba are worthy of a leadership position as they are full of SH** but they will make good politicians & are good at persuading you to look at them (& oh they look good to you) to give them the power.

Leaders work for their people & with their people & get dirty with their people to do what is best for everyone. Politicians are fat a** liars who do nothing but try to persuade the public to get their votes, then only help themselves & a few of their rich buddies after you vote for them.

it is a good thing I have a good mayor & an even better alderman, as I view them as good leaders, allthough others on the same board I view as politicians & they need the boot!

[JRScott]

Well as you said to your mother, what kind of reason is that?

Is it any coincidence that out of the top six senators that missed the most votes in the last year, that five of them were presidential candidates?

You really expect the candidates to sit in their Washington office and wait for roll call votes instead of campaigning in the States primaries? They do have large staffs to handle the daily stuff - and Obama did return for a few critical votes, unlike McCain and Hillary.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/

Before July 2007, when the primary started, the voting/attendance of the candidates were all high. Find a better reason to not vote for them than this.

Yes I do, they were elected to be representatives of their States, not to run for president of the United States. They should have resigned their seats if they were not going to fulfill the job of Senator or Representative that the people elected them too.

And no it was not a coincidence. They do that so that the other candidate can't attack them on their votes, but I see voting present or not voting at all to be worse as they were elected to the Congress to represent the people of their districts or states.