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    Don't feel bad about filing bankuptcy - your bank has done much worse

    This is something I put together to show that while you may be filing bankruptcy against your bank, your bank has done much worse, so don't feel too bad:
    [This is kind of long, I apologize in advance if it was too long to post here. Feel free to remove it, Admin, if it's too long.]

    Chase bank is being picketed today by the Stop the torture in Mexico Committee because of the role it has played in encouraging the Mexican government to launch an attack on the population of Southern Mexico (Chiapas).
    This role is demonstrated by the quotes taken out of an internal memo leaked to the US magazine Counter-punch by a Chase employee. What the consequences are for the people of Mexico are demonstrated by the statements under the section the Deeds
    The words
    From MEXICO-POLITICAL UPDATE ,January 13, 1995
    CHASE MANHATTAN'S EMERGING MARKETS GROUP MEMO
    author: Riordan Roett
    [...]While Chiapas, in our opinion, does not pose a fundamental threat to Mexican political stability, it is perceived to be so by many in the investment community. The government will need to eliminate the Zapatistas to demonstrate their effective control of the national territory and of security policy.
    [...] The Zedillo administration will need to consider carefully whether or not to allow opposition victories if fairly won at the ballot box. To deny legitimate electoral victories by the opposition will be a serious setback in the President's electoral strategy.
    The deeds
    STATEMENT OF THE DETAINEES FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 1995
    Some of the statements of the people detained by the Mexican Federal Public Ministry, read to a crowd of 100,000+ in Mexico city. Amnesty International has now released several urgent appeals on behalf of these and other detainees.

    HERMELINDA GARCIA
    She rejects the statement that they made her sign and in denunciation, said:
    I was detained in Yanga, Veracruz on Wednesday, February 8, 1995.
    I was blindfolded until I got here.
    I was beaten on the head and the bust. All of my clothes were taken off and I was touched all over my body. Later they brought us here, and I was beaten again in the jail.
    ALVARO CASTILLO GRANADOS
    He presented visible signs of physical mistreatment with profoundly cut and beaten wrists and cuts on the face. He complained of a pain in his chest from the beatings he received.
    He was detained in Yanga, Veracruz on Wednesday, February 8.
    ******************
    BANK OF AMERICA:

    Ethics and Governance
    Bank of America is facing a discrimination lawsuit brought by five African American current and former employees. The lawsuit claims that the bank limited the employees to minority and low net-worth clients because of the bank's belief that clients are more "comfortable" working with members of their own race.
    -- Washington Post, 05/18/2007
    Source URL: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../AR20070518009...

    According to the Associated Press, Bank of America is facing an employee class-action lawsuit claiming that the company's cash-balance pension plan was designed to benefit Bank of America without regard for the welfare of employees. Plaintiffs claim that Bank of America asked workers to move $2.7 billion worth of 401(k) assets into the company pension plan, which was then used for investments yeilding a higher return than what the company was willing to offer employees. As of 2007, the case was unresolved.
    -- Charlotte Observer, 03/02/2007
    Source URL: none available

    From 1989 to May 2006, Bank of America spent a total of $13.45 million on political campaign contributions. In the 2006 election cycle alone, $2.07 million was given by Bank of America employees to political campaigns. Of that amount, $918,631, or 44 percent went to Democratic candidates and $1.14 million or 55 percent to Republican candidates.
    -- Center for Responsive Politics, 02/19/2007
    Source URL: opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000090&Type=P
    In 2006, current Bank of America CEO, Kenneth D. Lewis, earned $27,873,348 in total compensation according to the Securities and Exchange Commission's calculations and $25,837,801 according to the AFL-CIO.
    -- AFL-CIO, 01/01/2007
    Source URL: https://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatc...m?tkr=BAC&pg=1

    According to the Social Investment Research Analyst Network, ten years after the Federal Glass Ceiling Commission recommended disclosure of diversity data as a way to remove barriers and promote women and minority advancement, most US companies still fail to fully disclose EEO data to the public. Bank of America is listed as one of the companies that does not provide full public disclosure. Rather, disclosure of EEO data is made available upon request.
    -- Social Investment Research Analyst Network (SIRAN), 12/07/2005
    Source URL: www.siran.org/eeo1.php

    The Inner City Press-Fair Finance Watch accused Bank of America and Citigroup of charging higher mortgage loan rates for African American and Hispanic borrowers than white borrowers. The ICP reports that blacks were over two times more likely to receive rate spread home purchase loans than whites, and Hispanics were 2.5 times more likely than whites to pay higher rates with all types of Bank of America loans.
    -- Associated Press, 04/04/2005
    Source URL: www.innercitypress.org/bofa.html

    In March 2004 Bank of America and FleetBoston Financial agreed to pay a total of $675 million to resolve allegations of improper mutual-fund trading and to reduce fees investors pay by $160 million. Under the settlement, Bank of America would paid $125 million in civil fines and $250 million in restitution to investors. FleetBoston paid $70 million in civil fines and an additional $70 million in restitution. Additionally, eight members of the board of directors of Nations Funds, Bank of America's group of mutual funds, wererequired to resign their positions within a year for their alleged role in allowing the trading violations Also the two financial companies, which merged immediately following the settlement, agreed to make certain changes in their mutual fund operations. The settlemnet also severely restricted Bank of America involvement in the securities clearing sector.
    -- Office of the New York State Attorney General, 03/15/2004
    Source URL: https://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/20...mar15c_04.htmlhttps://www.banktrack.org/doc/File/b...Track%20other%...

    Labor
    In May 2003 Bank of America agreed to pay $4.1 million to settle a lawsuit filed by 280 current and former employees who said they were owed overtime pay.
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    CITIBANK:

    n May 2004, the Federal Reserve fined Citigroup $70 million for illegally requiring certain borrowers who qualified independently for loans to cosign. Citigroup was also required to pay compensation to some of these customers. Although Citigroup consented to the order, it did not admit any malfeasance
    -- Ethical Corporation, 06/01/2004
    Source URL: www.ethicalcorporation.com

    In May 2004 Citigroup agreed to pay $2.65 billion to investors in WorldCom Inc. who had accused it of participating in financial fraud. The shareholders filed a lawsuit in October 2002 charging that Citigroup officials "averted their eyes" to WorldCom's financial frauds in order to protect $679 million in loans to Worldcom's ex-CEO, Bernard Ebbers. In making the settlement, Citigroup admitted to no wrongdoing.
    -- Reuters, 05/10/2004
    Source URL: none available

    In August 2003 Citigroup Global Markets' brokerage division was fined $1 million by the New York Stock Exchange, for improperly advising WorldCom employees on matters related to their company stock holdings.The NYSE contended that the division advised WorldCom employees to borrow heavily to pay taxes on stock options but did not warn them of potential losses if the value of their holdings fell. The stock of WorldCom, which filed for bankruptcy last year, is now worthless.
    -- Washington Post, 08/23/2003
    Source URL: none available

    In July 2003 the SEC announced that Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. agreed to pay a combined $236 million to settle charges that they helped Enron manipulate its books to appear financially healthy. The companies also agreed to pay $50 million to settle fraud allegations from the Manhattan district attorney's office.
    -- U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, 07/29/2003
    Source URL: www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-87.htm

    The Corporate Library named Citigroup as "worst overall" in its listing of Ten Worst Large US Boards in 2003. The company earned the title because of it's scandal-ridden recent past and the fact that, although the company was forced to pay a fine, CEO Sandy Weill and the board have demonstrated no personal accountability. The fine was paid by Citi's current shareholders (and the shareholders of Citi's insurers), not by any of the people responsible. Furthermore, the organization states, "it would be fair to expect Weill to take a hit in pay. And it might appear at first glance that he did -- Weill refused his annual bonus, which had been $17 million the prior year. [Note the way this was announced as his decision, not the decision of the board's compensation committee, just in case there was any doubt about who's in charge.] But on closer examination, in addition to his $1 million salary and the $11.8 million on realized stock option gains, he was awarded new options on another 1.1 million shares. Fortune wrote, 'In February of this year, Citigroup's board of directors granted Weill options on yet an additional 1.5 million shares, which one outside consultant valued at about $14.5 million.'"
    -- Corporate Library, 06/10/2003
    Source URL: www.thecorporatelibrary.net/

    In December 2002 Citigroup was one of ten brokerage firms that agreed to pay $1.44 billion in fines and to fund independent stock research for investors in a settlement with the New York State attorney general's office and the Securities and Exchange Commission, which handled the negotiations. In agreeing to the fines, the firms neither admitted nor denied that they had misled investors. It is hoped that the agreement with the firms will put an end to bankers and analysts pitching deals as a team.
    -- Office of the New York State Attorney General, 04/28/2003
    Source URL: https://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/20...apr28a_03.html

    In April 2003 the Vanguard Group filed a lawsuit against Citibank and its subsidiary Salomon Smith Barney alleging the firms fraudulently sold it $70 million of worthless Enron Corp. bonds. The lawsuit claims that the firms disguised Enron's mounting debts to Citibank as normal commodity investment accounts, which were used to back Enron bonds. Those bonds were then sold to investors, including Vanguard. The investments turned out to be worthless when Enron went bankrupt in 2001.
    -- Associated Press, 04/11/2003
    Source URL: none available

    Citigroup was named one of the "Ten Worst Corporations of 2002" by Multinational Monitor. The company was cited because federal and state officials are investigating it for recommending stock that the company described internally as "crap". Additionally, the company's affiliate, The Associates, was sued by the Federal trade Commsion alleging it used deceptive marketing practices. And the company's Citibank unit was forced to pay $1.6 million to settle allegations brought by 26 state attorneys general that it engaged in unfair and deceptive practices by telemarketing firms that solicited business using Citibank's customer lists and encrypted credit card numbers.
    -- Multinational Monitor, 12/01/2002
    Source URL: multinationalmonitor.org/mm2002/02december/dec02corp1.html

    In September 2002 Citigroup investment banking division, Salomon Smith Barney, agreed to pay a $5 million fine to settle charges it issued "materially misleading" research reports on Winstar, a broadband telecommunications service provider that filed for bankruptcy protection in 2001. Reports from a Salomon Smith Barney analyst and his assistant praised Winstar but internal e-mails revealed the two were actually skeptical of the company, according to an investigation by the National Association of Securities Dealers. The company agreed to pay the fine without admitting or denying the finding of the investigation.
    -- Associated Press, 09/23/2002
    Source URL: none available

    In September 2002, Citigroup agreed to repay customers $215 million to settle federal charges that its subsidiary Associates First Capital Corp. had manipulated people into buying overpriced mortgages and credit insurance. It is the biggest settlement involving consumer protection in the history of the Federal Trade Commission. The agreement allows two million consumers to receive cash refunds or reduced loan balances to help them to recover much of their losses. Citigroup does not admit to any wrong-doing by agreeing to the settlement.
    -- Associated Press, 09/19/2002
    Source URL: none available

    Citigroup has failed to follow federal guidelines to prevent money laundering and has allowed as much as $800 million in suspicious Russian funds to flow through 136 accounts from 1991 through January 2000, according to the General Accounting Office. In a letter to the GAO in November 2000, Citigroup said it has found no evidence that it acted illegally, but it acknowledged lapses in enforcing its anti-money-laundering policies. The company said that it closed the accounts in question this year and tightened policies to prevent the problem from recurring. According to the GAO, Citigroup, along with Commercial Bank, accepted more than $1 billion from Delaware based U.S. corporations, which appeared to be shell companies created to move money from abroad into the U.S. banking system.
    -- Washington Post, 11/30/2000
    Source URL: none available

    Human Rights
    In November 2002 a lawsuit was filed againt Citigroup and 19 other companies for reparations because of alleged support to the apartheid regime that ruled South Africa until 1994. The case, which was filed by the Khulumani Support Group, seeks compensatory and punitive damages for more than 32,000 South Africans hurt by apartheid. The suit charges financial institutions like Citicorp with culpability for lending funds used to bolster police and armed forces under the racist regime. The case was dismissed by a judge in November 2004 because "the plaintiffs had not proved that the companies broke international law."
    -- Guardian, 11/30/2004
    Source URL: http://business.guardian.co.uk/story...tml#article_co...

    CHASE:
    In July 2003 the SEC announced that J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup Inc. agreed to pay a combined $236 million to settle charges that they helped Enron manipulate its books to appear financially healthy. The companies also agreed to pay $50 million to settle fraud allegations from the Manhattan district attorney's office.
    -- Associated Press, 07/28/2003
    Source URL: www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~rgibson/jpmorgan.html

    The Corporate Library named J.P. Morgan Chase as having one of the Ten Worst Large US Boards in 2003. They found that directors on the board are interlinked to other corporate boards, either directly or indirectly, up to eight times as much as other coporate boards. There are no less than 26 direct board links between J.P. Morgan and other corporate boards.
    -- Corporate Library, 06/10/2003
    Source URL: www.thecorporatelibrary.net/ratings2003.htmlhttps://www.banktrack.org/doc/File/b...Track%20other%...

    Human Rights
    In November 2002 a lawsuit was filed againt J.P. Morgan Chase and 19 other companies for reparations because of alleged support to the apartheid regime that ruled South Africa until 1994. The case, which was filed by the Khulumani Support Group, seeks compensatory and punitive damages for more than 32,000 South Africans hurt by apartheid. The suit charges financial institutions like J.P. Morgan Chase with culpability for lending funds used to bolster police and armed forces under the racist regime. This case has now been resolved.

    WELLS FARGO:
    Dirty Money Campaign

    The Dirty Money Campaign, sponsored by Rainforest Action Network (RAN), is working to end Wells Fargo's financing of environmentally and socially irresponsible projects. The bank is criticized for bankrolling endeavors such as mountaintop removal for coal extraction and logging in Alaska's Tongass National Forest. RAN is calling for public pressure on CEO Dick Kovacevich to outline and implement a responsible investing regimen for Wells Fargo. Click on the URL to take action now.


    Complaints, Abuses, and Scandals
    Ethics and Governance
    In 2006, CEO Richard M. Kovacevich earned $29,846,883 in total compensation according to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the AFL-CIO.
    -- AFL-CIO, 01/31/2007
    Source URL: https://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatc...m?tkr=WFC&pg=1

    The NAACP's Banking Industry Report Card for 2004 gave Wells Fargo a "D+" grade for its employment, community investment, advertising, vendor and charitable giving practices.
    -- NAACP, 08/01/2006
    Source URL: www.naacp.org

    According to the Social Investment Research Analyst Network (SIRAN), ten years after the Federal Glass Ceiling Commission recommended disclosure of diversity data as a way to remove barriers and promote women and minority advancement, most US companies still fail to fully disclose EEO data to the public. Wells Fargo is listed as one of the companies that does not provide full public disclosure; it only provides partial disclosure.
    -- Social Investment Research Analyst Network (SIRAN), 12/07/2005
    Source URL: www.siran.org/eeo1.php

    Environment
    Wells Fargo received the poor rating of "0.45" in a joint report by WWF and BankTrack investigating the social and environmental management policies of 39 banks around the world. Banks are rated from 0 to 4, 4 indicating compliance with all or nearly all relevant international human rights, social and environmental standards, and 0 indicating no publicly available policy addressing the subject. Wells Fargo's best individual score related to policy governing the building of Dams, where it received a 2.
    <<I am NOT an attorney, my comments are anecdotal only. Contact an attorney for advice>>
    FINALLY DISCHARGED 92 DAYS AFTER THE 341! A NEW START!!!

    #2
    I did not feel bad about the decision BEFORE I read this. But I feel all warm and fuzzy now!

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      #3
      Chase, BOA, Wells - what else is new. Surprised that Citi was not included.

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        #4
        Originally posted by magyar123 View Post
        Chase, BOA, Wells - what else is new. Surprised that Citi was not included.
        Citi was included. "Citigroup."
        BK 7 filed and discharged in 2004 after 30+ years of perfect credit. Life HAPPENS.

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          #5
          I have a friend that works for citi and he lovingly refers to his company as shiti-bank. lol

          thanks for posting pa
          Filed Chapter 7 Pro-Se May 29, 2008
          341 July 1, 2008
          Discharged September 4, 2008
          Closed November 10, 2008 :-)

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            #6
            Thanks for the great post and it most definitely did help. I am having a hard time coming to terms with filing for bankruptcy completely... I never thought it would come to this but we don't much have a choice anymore. It's just a scary scary thing.. And I find so much of it confusing, which is why I am here!

            Becca
            Becca

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              #7
              Interesting read. Thanks for posting this.
              Filed!!04/23/2008[X] 341 5/27/2008[X]Converted to asset case 5/26/2008 [X]
              DISCHARGE 08/12/2008[X]
              Converted to NO Asset case 12/15/2008[X]
              Closed 12/16/2008 [X]:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                #8
                VERY INTERESTING INFO.................... and a lot of these banks report HUGE PROFITS.......... NOW we know HOW!!!!
                Minny

                "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                  #9
                  Very interesting, but it doesn't surprise me any. Now I don't feel so bad about filing.
                  Filed Chapter 7 (Primarily Business Expenses) 04/10/2008 FICO 468 :cry:
                  341 on 05/06/08:unsure:House appraisal on day 63:blink: 07/10/2008 Discharged-Asset Case!!!:yahoo:08/09 Transu 559, Equifax 636, Experian 647
                  Case Closed 07/15/2009 :D:yahoo:

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                    #10
                    Human rights violations, riots, over charging fees, getting richer while people loose homes and security, causing pet overpopulation in shelters..
                    There are few out there who abuse credit and live above means...but for most here as ive read and myself included it was an almost unavoidable mess for most part.
                    NOPE, dont care a bit anymore!! I am at peace now. Happy moving on to bigger things to worry about.
                    WAM
                    ch7 8/07 CLOSED: 11/07 Rebuilding and saving.
                    WAMU unsecured $2,000 Capital One unsecured $500
                    PAID OFF MONTHLY!!!

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                      #11
                      I'm a person that often feels guilty. I feel bad that my husband and I have to file for bankruptcy. Our debts aren't new ones, almost all of our credit cards were opened more than 10 years ago. We have struggled with debt and 30% interest rates for over a decade. Now we are calling it quits and just biting the bankruptcy bullet. We have nearly $100,000 in credit card debt, much of it interest on the original purchases. We also have a truck and house and pay on it as agreed. They haven't changed the terms on these loans. Still, I feel guilty about the credit cards. I've always been one to pay my bills, but why did they have to make it so impossible?

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                        #12
                        Exactly!

                        Originally posted by Minnymouth View Post
                        VERY INTERESTING INFO.................... and a lot of these banks report HUGE PROFITS.......... NOW we know HOW!!!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lindsay View Post
                          I'm a person that often feels guilty. I feel bad that my husband and I have to file for bankruptcy. Our debts aren't new ones, almost all of our credit cards were opened more than 10 years ago. We have struggled with debt and 30% interest rates for over a decade. Now we are calling it quits and just biting the bankruptcy bullet. We have nearly $100,000 in credit card debt, much of it interest on the original purchases. We also have a truck and house and pay on it as agreed. They haven't changed the terms on these loans. Still, I feel guilty about the credit cards. I've always been one to pay my bills, but why did they have to make it so impossible?
                          You have probably paid the original debts several times over, but they like to stick it to whoever they can. Good luck.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lindsay View Post
                            I'm a person that often feels guilty. I feel bad that my husband and I have to file for bankruptcy. Our debts aren't new ones, almost all of our credit cards were opened more than 10 years ago. We have struggled with debt and 30% interest rates for over a decade. Now we are calling it quits and just biting the bankruptcy bullet. We have nearly $100,000 in credit card debt, much of it interest on the original purchases. We also have a truck and house and pay on it as agreed. They haven't changed the terms on these loans. Still, I feel guilty about the credit cards. I've always been one to pay my bills, but why did they have to make it so impossible?
                            I went to Catholic school for 12 years and can never get rid of the guilt over anything - LOL! Anyway, I hear ya as to your posting. Something eventually hits you or happens to make you face what may have been there for a while; a wall of debt that there is no way you can get out of, especially when a job loss hits or a decline in income, or a major medical emergency. Kinda makes ya have to face the amount of debt that has been accumulating. BK is probably the only way out unless someone knocks on your door and hands you a check for $100,000 (isn't gonna happen). Don't feel bad; BK gives you a legal way out of the situation and the key is to learn from that and try not to allow it to happen again. We dramatically changed our lifestyle after filing and learned that you don't have to have all the do-dads or gizmos to be happy. Debt can make you ill; it can cause all sorts of job and relationship problems also; more divorces occur over finances than anything else.

                            Don't feel guilty for taking care of yourself and your family. The creditors get to write off what you discharge on their taxes and they have buffers in their huge budgets to cover losses. After you file, learn to budget because you will be on a cash only basis for a while and that will give you the edge you need to change your lifestyle and breathe more freely. Best of luck to you and your family...
                            _________________________________________
                            Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
                            Early Buy-Out: April 2006
                            Discharge: August 2006

                            "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Becca View Post
                              Thanks for the great post and it most definitely did help. I am having a hard time coming to terms with filing for bankruptcy completely... I never thought it would come to this but we don't much have a choice anymore. It's just a scary scary thing.. And I find so much of it confusing, which is why I am here!

                              Becca
                              Glad it helped some.
                              But don't be worried, it really is not that scary. As long as you are not committing fraud you have NOTHING to worry about!

                              The WORST case scenario is that either a) you'll get thrown into a Ch. 13 payment plan instead of a discharge via Ch. 7; or b) you'll go for a Ch. 7 but end up paying a little back to some creditor if you took out a recent cash advance or made a big purchase in the past few months. You will know if you're a "for sure" Ch. 7 right away after you talk to an attorney, and if you're borderline for a 13 they'll tell you so.

                              As to objections from creditors it almost never happens. People worry it will happen but it almost never does, especially nowadays. The worse the economy is, the more they have "bigger fish to fry".

                              So don't be scared, just relax, and wait it out. Good luck!
                              <<I am NOT an attorney, my comments are anecdotal only. Contact an attorney for advice>>
                              FINALLY DISCHARGED 92 DAYS AFTER THE 341! A NEW START!!!

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