2008 Presidential Election

[BKOnce]

I hate politics & religions. These issues always go together or divide US apart.

[HRx]

Making matters even more interesting is the fact that you have an excellent white woman, and a black man running for Presidency, and everyone wants to pull the racist or racially-priveldge card on both candidates when it's damn fact that both candidates worked thier butts off to get where they are today, and neither is some closet racist/bigot. And this new guility by association tactic is getting old very fast too.

[Bandit]

You think I was putting you down? I am simply just presenting to you in your own posts how anyone can interpret your comments as being racist, the way you are running off accusing Obama as being a racist because of the words of his "spiritual advisor", this frame of thinking doesn't make any sense, especially when Obama doesn't have a track record of being "pro this or pro that"

now you're making unfounded accusations about Obama and his church. His preacher made one comment...I'm sure the church he goes to, which is probably predominatley African American address/discuss social issues that blacks face in America. Have you ever attended an all Hispanic, or Asian church before? Guess what? They discuss issues that are negatively impacting thier ethnic group too. Does that make the church a racist organization? Nope! It's not like they promote hate and seperatism like the KKK, and other white hate groups.

You definately should consider getting your fact straight about Obama and his "hate America" statements/affiliations. Because you're comparing apples and oranges and seem to just want to pull the "reverse racism" card to hastily.

I am not a racist no matter how hard you try to put that kind of spin on this.
In fact I view race as something that does not exist & this is true according to science- so stop trying to make your candiate look good by trying to make me look bad! I will plug Obama, Clinton, Boosh, Mcain & I dont care how much you or someone else loves them.

This is ABOUT YOUR OBAMA- NOT ME!!!!!

He attends a racist church but you defend him AND his church by calling me racist. hmmmm

I wont be voting for him so does that also make me racist?

[HRx]

I am not a racist no matter how hard you try to put that kind of spin on this.
In fact I view race as somehting that does not exist & this is true according to science- so stop trying to make your candiate look good by trying to make me look bad! I will plug Obama, Clinton, Boosh, Mcain & I dont care how much you or someone else loves them.

This is ABOUT YOUR OBAMA- NOT ME!!!!!

He attends a racist church but you defend him AND his church by calling me racist. hmmmm

I wont be voting for him so does that also make me racist?

You have missed the entire point again. You can belong to the KKK for all I care...as long as you don't post racist garbage on this forum you're in good shape. And it's your right to vote for whomever you want, why would I care? However, based on the many illogical comments you've posted in the past in this thread about Obama and his guilty by associations. You've said enough...you also have this tendency to want to associate a person with someone or something. Obama isn't minem and nor is his preacher, et cetera. lol

[Bandit]

<sigh> You have missed the entire point again. You can belong to the KKK for all I care...as long as you don't post racist garbage on this forum you're in good shape. And it's your right to vote for whomever you want, why would I care? However, based on the many illogical comments you've posted in the past in this thread about Obama and his guilty by associations. You've said enough.

No. You just do not like it because some have called his bluff. so you are trying to make it look like I am a racist.

I cant be all that illogical when it is plastered all over the headlines.

[HRx]

No. You just do not like it because some have called his bluff. so you are trying to make it look like I am a racist.

I cant be all that illogical when it is plastered all over the headlines.

Okay...there's a really significant disconnect going on here.

Hillary must be a racist too...because of the comments that Bill made in South Carolina, and since they are married she must have always known about his racist mentality right? lol This is the type of logic you employ, causing your "connection" logic to be spurious...

No offense to you personally, but the more you attempt to articulate your position the more miseducated you look. I don't mind discussing politics but there really has to be some level of intelligence/logic supporting your rationales.

[Bandit]

No offense to you personally, but the more you attempt to articulate your position the more miseducated you look. I don't mind discussing politics but there really has to be some level of intelligence/logic supporting your rationales.

you have not discussed the issue at all.

[Bandit]

"Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois today urged hundreds of blacks not to vote along racial lines next week in Maryland's Senate race. Obama, the only black U.S. senator, came to the state to rally support for Democratic Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, who is white. Cardin's Republican opponent, Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, is the first black candidate ever elected statewide and has been courting black Democrats."--Associated Press, Nov. 3

"The nation's only black senator, Barack Obama, D-Ill., asked voters at two black churches and at a Nashville rally to elect [Harold] Ford, a Democrat who is trying to become the first black senator from the South in more than 100 years. 'I know that all of you are going to work the next couple of days to make sure it happens, because I'm feeling lonely in Washington,' Obama said at the Mt. Zion Baptist Church. 'I need my dear friend to join me.' "--Associated Press, Nov. 5

Lets go back to November & see what excuses there were then. The above is all about Obamas views.

[Bandit]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-16-obama_N.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338488,00.html

It is all over the media. I can copy & paste the facts until the cows come home.
It does not take rocket science to see that Obamas church & his pastor is all about racism & this is why Obama has been trying to sweep his church & pastor under the carpet? this is why his pastor left his campaign?

Or do you have a better reason?

[Bandit]

Here is Obamas church statement of faith:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."

1)Please explain why 9 out of those 12 articles are all about BLACK race?
2)Does it not sound just a little bit exclusive to those of other color when all you see is black?

3)Is this not Obamas church & are we saying nothing about that represents Obamas beliefs? after all his children were baptised into that church.

[SUB]

Making matters even more interesting is the fact that you have an excellent white woman, and a black man running for Presidency, and everyone wants to pull the racist or racially-priveldge card

And no one has pulled the race card out more than that "excellent white woman".

IMHO. McCain or Hillary, it matters not which. The face of US politics would be indistinguishable no matter who wins.

Obama's largest asset is, he's not one of them. His winning put's the status quo on their heels. And that's a good thing.

He has a few other qualities that make him preferential to this old Conservative, but primarily, he is the enemy of my enemies.

As far as his church goes. It will be interesting to see how much of that stink Obama can shed. I'm thinking the Clintons are desperate. They got this story out too soon, and it will sufficiently dissipate well before November.

[HRx]

Umm...and posting Republican based articles against Obama or any Democrat is supposed to mean something? lol C'mon...you're going to have to do better than that. Whites, and Republicans that don't want to see a black man as president is going to soak up this latest controversey with a wet bisciut and run with it until thier last breath. lol This lastest garbage accusing Obama as being a racist isn't going anywhere.

What about Former Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro's recent racist/bigoted comments about Obama, stating, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," Does this mean that Hillary Clinton is prejudice too? C'mon...you're going to have to do better than that.

[HRx]

Here is Obamas church statement of faith:



1)Please explain why 9 out of those 12 articles are all about BLACK race?
2)Does it not sound just a little bit exclusive to those of other color when all you see is black?

3)Is this not Obamas church & are we saying nothing about that represents Obamas beliefs? after all his children were baptised into that church.

LoL...you're stuck in the vacuum called "whiteness"...which is why you don't understand those statments. Which I don't know who owns them. But lets say it's from Obama's church for shits and giggles. Those statements aren't indicative of racisms anyhow. Do yourself a favor and compare the Anthem/Preamble of the KKK or Arayn Brotherhood, and report back on the critcal differences.

You're definately, one highly miseducated person if you think that is racism in the least. Do you think that Blacks are the only minority group that promote positive behavior, changes amongst the enthic group?

The critical disqualifier that is missing here is the "hate", segragation/separatism, etc. Again, you should do yourself a beneficial favor and study up on social injustices, and racisms so you have a better acumen of how to pull card.

[Bandit]

Umm...and posting Republican based articles against Obama or any Democrat is supposed to mean something? lol C'mon...you're going to have to do better than that. Whites, and Republicans that don't want to see a black man as president is going to soak up this latest controversey with a wet bisciut and run with it until thier last breath. lol This lastest garbage accusing Obama as being a racist isn't going anywhere.

What about Former Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro's recent racist/bigoted comments about Obama, stating, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," Does this mean that Hillary Clinton is prejudice too? C'mon...you're going to have to do better than that.

YOu still have not adressed anything in this post. I asked several questions that you have no answer for other than trying to make others look bad.

I can beat up on Clinton or MCain just as much but right now we are talking about Obama. Did you forget?

[Bandit]

LoL...you're stuck in the vacuum called "whiteness"...which is why you don't understand those statments. Which I don't know who owns them. But lets say it's from Obama's church for shits and giggles. Those statements aren't indicative of racisms anyhow. Do yourself a favor and compare the Anthem/Preamble of the KKK or Arayn Brotherhood, and report back on the critcal differences.

You're definately, one highly miseducated person if you think that is racism in the least. Do you think that Blacks are the only minority group that promote positive behavior, changes amongst the enthic group?

The critical disqualifier that is missing here is the "hate", segragation/separatism, etc. Again, you should do yourself a beneficial favor and study up on social injustices, and racisms so you have a better acumen of how to pull card.

There you go again, putting me down. Putting me down does not help you.

Why dont you address each article of faith?