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[Logan]

FYI, those are two different types of speech, with the former being protected and the latter being forbidden. You cannot compare the two, and this has been well established by the Supreme Court.

I'm fully aware of the differences but I find it sad that these people must incite fear with posters of Obama with a Hitler mustache to get their point across.

What's ironic is Hitler used fear and intimidation to consolidate and maintain power and that's exactly what these people were doing to try to stop health care reform.

[momisery]

Ohio, I am not saying you have to respect her, I am saying that she is correct in what she said, and only those who have suffered fully understand that. Now, do I think that the left or right are fit to lead this nation, heavens no. I think neither have the "people" in mind of our great nation. My fear is that no one that gets into politics will. The are far too busy showing people standing by airplanes claming a victory, painting mustaches on people, showing photos of clearing brush as if they understand the plight of the common people, or showing photos of them with stars at the white house. palin is a pawn in my opinon, and her photo ops really turned me off. I feel she is tooooo far right for an independant voter like myself.. sort of like voting for Franken for president.

I just don't think people can really understand until you walk in those shoes. Sort of like me trying to understand my sister's pain over the death of her child at 25 on the freeway. I can never understand that, no one can unless they have walked in her shoes. Then, they may not FEEL what she FEELS, or it could be different, but they do understand how much it hurts for sure!

[momisery]

Good points Logan, we need to demand honesty. Free speech is protected, but selling snake oil was outlawed a long time ago. These farces of hitler photos, and socialism, or the lies told by both parties have to stop. How can we ever be sure we have made the right choice if the person or party does not have to be honest, and can not be held responsible? I think freedom of speech was so that you could speak out about what you disagreed with, not that you could draw mustaches on people or falsely potray them as something they are not like a socialist, or marching in lock step like they said bush did.

[WhatMoney]

118 Rush Limbaugh Lies about Health Care, Refuted

In American history, no single individual has ever spread so much false information to so many people about a piece of proposed legislation as Rush Limbaugh has done about health care reform.

I'm currently writing a book about Limbaugh, so I know that Limbaugh has made a career out of lying, distorting, and duping his listeners. But on the health care reform he has raised his game to an unprecedented level of deceit. Below is a list of more than 100 hundred lies spoken by Limbaugh on health care, and why he's wrong.

Limbaugh Lie #1: "this health care plan and the entire Obama agenda is frighteningly close to the National Socialism policies of Nazi Germany."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
Obama's health care plan bears no resemblance to the policies of Nazi Germany, and their philosophy was fascism, not socialism.

Limbaugh Lie #2: "Look who is acting Nazi-like anyway? Who is it that's sending out thugs to beat people up at these meetings?...It's the Obama White House."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
The Obama White House never sent out any "thugs to beat people up" at town hall meetings.

Limbaugh Lie #3: "assigning doctors regionally, assigning them geographically. It went so far in Hillary's health care bill as to assign what specialty they would learn. Doctors were going to be totally controlled. And it would be no different in this health care bill if Obama and Reid and Pelosi and Waxman get what they want."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...111.guest.html)
There is absolutely nothing in any of the health care proposals about "totally controlled" doctors who would be told where they can work and "what specialty they would learn."

Limbaugh Lie #4: "No, there won't be a private doctor for you to go to."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...110.guest.html)
Absolutely nothing in the legislation bans private doctors.

Limbaugh Lie #5: "this entire health care legislation is not even constitutional."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
There is nothing even remotely unconstitutional about any of the health care reform proposals. Notably, Limbaugh doesn't even bother to say what specific legislation is unconstitutional, or what part of the Constitution is being violated; he simply believes that the government is not allowed to pass legislation dealing with health care, which is just insane.

Limbaugh Lie #6: Quoting Bernie Sanders, who said, "'Does Barack Obama want to kill off the old people or the disabled?' That is insane," Limbaugh responded, "It's not insane. It's going to happen! It's going to happen."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...115.guest.html)
Obama is not going to kill off old people and the disabled.

Limbaugh Lie #7: "On page 16 of the House bill, it's right there, and you've heard people quote from it. I'm going to summarize it, page 16: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...111.guest.html)

Limbaugh Lie #8: Limbaugh again referred on August 7, 2009 to "the provision on Page 16 of the bill that would force you out of your private insurance plan."(August 7, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #9: Limbaugh added on August 10, 2009, "you will lose your private insurance and your doctor. It's on page 16 in the House plan."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
None of this is true. Page 16 is an obscure clause for "grandfathered" health insurance plans that don't have to meet the new requirements (such as a ban on discrimination for preexisting conditions) because they're not enrolling new people or changing coverage. Private insurance will still be completely legal, contrary to Limbaugh's paranoid misreading of page 16.

Limbaugh Lie #10: Limbaugh said, "Page 22 mandates audits of all employers that self-insure."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, it doesn't. Page 22 requires a "study" of how the health care reform will affect self-insuring employers. There is no audit forced on any business, and the word is never used.

Limbaugh Lie #11: Limbaugh claimed, "It admits on page 29 that your health care will be rationed."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, in fact page 29 provides for payments of specified medical treatment "in accordance with generally accepted standards of medical or other appropriate clinical or professional practice" and "does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services." There is no rationing, and the ban on lifetime limits would end one current form of rationing by private health insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #12: Limbaugh said, "Page 30: A government will decide what treatments and benefits you get, and unlike an insurer, there is... Well, there's an appeals process that you don't even want to mess with that."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh was wrong again. On page 30 there was the creation of a "Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans." This is no different from an insurance company developing standards for what their insurance covers.

Limbaugh Lie #13: Limbaugh claimed, "On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice."(August 4, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
The commissioner's job is to establish "qualified health benefits plan standards" like any other insurance plan. People would be free to select any plan with the health benefits they desire.

Limabugh Lie #14: Limbaugh said, "Page 58: Every person will be issued a national ID health card."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Page 58 says the proposal "may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card."(http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...ocid=f:h3200ih. txt.pdf) There would be no national ID health card because people would have different health insurance plans, and because everyone gets an insurance ID card, the only difference under this bill would be the option to include a bar code to speed up authorization of medical services.

Limbaugh Lie #15: Limbaugh asserted: "Page 59: The federal government will have direct real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
In reality, the bill refers to a requirement to "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice."(http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...docid=f:h3200i h.txt.pdf) Nowhere is the government given the power to steal money from individual bank accounts. This simply makes it easier for doctors to get paid more quickly for their work.

Limbaugh Lie #16: Limbaugh claimed that the Obama health reform would result in "direct deposit access to every individual's bank account."(August 6, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... As a headline on Limbaugh's website put it, "Will Obamacare Access Your
Bank Account Via Direct Deposit?"
Limbaugh is a little unclear on the concept of direct deposit: it gives someone the power to deposit funds, not to withdraw them as Limbaugh alleged.

Limbaugh Lie #17: Limbaugh said, "Page 239: The bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid, meaning there will be Medicaid cuts. The president is out there saying that there won't be."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Page 239 says nothing about Medicaid cuts.(http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...id=f:h3200ih.t xt.pdf)

Limbaugh Lie #18: Limbaugh claimed, "Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment. Government dictates how your life ends."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Absolutely nothing on page 427 says that government will dictate how your life ends; in fact, it explicitly protects "enabling orders for life sustaining treatment." The provision allows for Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling such as living wills. Nothing is compelled, and nothing is controversial about this provision.(http://mediamatters.org/research/200907310051)

Limbaugh Lie #19: "I will be damned if it's going to be become federally mandated law that the government hires a bunch of counselors that has these death care -- as you call it, death care -- discussions, 'end-of-life discussions.'"(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh Lie #20: Limbaugh asserted, "That's what the counselors are preparing these people for: end of care, 'cause they're getting old and it isn't going to be worth of investment. It's right in the House bill! People to want try to deny all these things that are right there. People have read it. They're in the bill."(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Once again, Limbaugh was lying. There is nothing about hiring counselors in the House bill. There is nothing about imposing "end of care" in the House bill. Limbaugh can claim, "They're in the bill," but it's interesting that he never quotes anything in the bill itself.

Limbaugh Lie #21: Limbaugh said, "Page 429: Advanced care planning consult will be used to dictate treatment as patients' health deteriorates. This can include an order for end-of-life plans. The order will be from the government."(August 10, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...ls&docid=f:h32 00ih.txt.pdf)

Limbaugh Lie #22: When a woman at a town hall meeting told Sen. Arlen Specter that the House bill would let a 74-year-old man with cancer die without treatment, Limbaugh agreed: "she's reading from the bill. She's got it there, and he says it's a 'malicious rumor,' and it's not."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...108.guest.html)
Limbaugh knows that this little dystopian fantasy isn't anywhere in the bill, but he doesn't care about the truth.

Limbaugh Lie #23: On August 7, 2009, he falsely claimed that the power to "garnish your bank account" was found on page 435, and falsely asserted that "end-of-life" counseling was found on page 401.(August 7, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh didn't seem concerned about getting the page numbers wrong, and never corrected his error. It's doubtful that any of his listeners actually looked up any of his references. For Limbaugh, citing page numbers gives a false appearance of specificity, even when everything he says is inaccurate.

Limbaugh Lie #24: Limbaugh declared, "there are people who are actually fearful that if they are Republicans they will be discriminated against in terms of health care because this is such an ideologically political administration that does have a bunch of enemies."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...110.guest.html)
The Obama Administration already directly provides health care to veterans, the elderly, the disabled, and the poor through various programs. And how many proven cases are there of anti-Republican discrimination in health care? None.

Limbaugh Lie #25: According to Limbaugh, "You are going to get treatment based on how much some government agency or bureaucratic thinks you're worth. Who knows how that's going to be decided, the degree to which you have a sickness or an illness or a disease, your age, are you working or not, are you a drag on the system anyway? Did you vote for Obama?"(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...110.guest.htmlhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
The government already has the medical records of Medicare patients, soldiers, veterans, and many other Americans. There's never been a single case cited by Limbaugh of any government blackmail using these records.

Limbaugh Lie #28: "What aspect of your private life aren't they going to be into? Well, I don't imagine they'll be in your bathroom. Not with cameras. They might be, who knows."(June 18, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh manages to spin an amazing, alarming tale of government bureaucrats videotaping Americans in their own bathrooms.

Limbaugh Lie #29: Limbaugh declared, "national health care is the single biggest intervention in liberty this government could conceive. Because every aspect of your life can be regulated on the theory that it will control costs of health care."(June 8, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #30: According to Limbaugh, "If the Democrats get national health care, the concept of individual freedom and liberty will have been obliterated."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...10.member.html, June 3, 2009)

Limbaugh Lie #31: He told Sean Hannity, "if they get nationalized health care, they are going to be able to control every aspect of our lives because you get in a car the wrong way, it can impact health care costs. If you eat popcorn with coconut oil, it could impact health care costs. If they get that, then people have no idea the control over their lives the government will exert."("Rush Interviewed by Sean Hannity, Part Two," Fox News Channel, Recorded: June 3, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

It's absurd to imagine that an insurance company's status under Obama's health-care plan would depend on how much it supported Obama. After all, the government, not private insurance companies, administers the public option in health care. But there's a larger problem with Limbaugh's conspiracy theory: insurance companies don't vote. Individuals vote with a secret ballot. So there's no way an insurance company could have "voted for Obama," and no way of knowing how a company's employees voted.

Limbaugh Lie #34: Limbaugh claimed that concern about the swine flu was a conspiracy by the Obama Administration to conceal some unspoken evil deed: "What are they doing with the other hand when you're not watching?"(5/4/09)

Limbaugh Lie #35: Limbaugh even endorsed Sarah Palin's bizarre claim that "death panels" would decide whether to kill her son: "Sarah Palin has rocked 'em with that one because she's dead right. They are death panels."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html)
Limbaugh Lie #36: Later, Limbaugh tried to backpedal from his lie: "I have not used the word 'death panels' except quoting Sarah Palin."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.htmlhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
There are no restrictions on eating certain foods in the bill, and no mechanism for compelling it. No one has ever proposed restricting what people on health insurance can eat.

Limbaugh Lie #38: Limbaugh declared about the House bill, "the government will be able to dictate when you can and when you can't have children."(July 31, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh Lie #39: "the real reason they want to control family planning, you could throw in, yeah, they want to limit the number of potential Republicans born..."(July 31, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Of course, there is no government control over having children.

Limbaugh Lie #40: "universal health care would lead to bans on swing sets and flat-screen TVs hanging on the wall"(5/13/09) because they might fall on people.
Limbaugh Lie #41: "they're gonna be able to regulate -- you know, they call you a risk based on, do you smoke, do you not smoke, how far do you drive to work, do you wear polyester -- it's more flammable -- I mean, it could get ridiculous."(July 28, 2009)
When the leading radio show host in the country claims that health care reform will lead to a ban on wearing polyester, it's already ridiculous.

Limbaugh Lie #42: "They have been talking a fat tax or some way of dealing with obesity. Suppose that you have lived a lifestyle they don't approve of that in their minds has increased your health risk and they don't want to pay for it or they want to charge you additional through the roof and so forth. This is the kind of thing they want. These are kind of statists that want to control every aspect of people's lives, and they want to certainly not have to spend money on people who have reached a certain age, just to put it bluntly, where it's not worth it in their mind."(August 7, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #43: "This health care bill, if it ever passes in this present form, gives them unlimited power to regulate lifestyles and behavior, in every way possible."(August 7, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
How can Limbaugh claim that a bill which gives the government zero power to regulate lifestyles and behavior actually provides "unlimited power"? Limbaugh, of course, never quotes from the actual bill whenever he makes these absurd assertions, perhaps because he knows that the words do not exist.

Limbaugh Lie #44: Limbaugh quoted from Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope: "'Not many Americans would feel comfortable with the government monitoring what we eat, no matter how many deaths and how much of our medical spending may be due to rising rates of obesity.' Yet he's doing it. Well, he doesn't say he's going to do it, he just knows we don't feel comfortable with it, but screw it. Our behavior must be constrained."(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Only Limbaugh could take a quote from Obama opposing government regulation and use it to prove an absurd imaginary regulation that Limbaugh invented.

Limbaugh Lie #45: "so we're going to get some kind of fat tax, right? Some kind of fat tax. There's going to be a fat tax, an obesity tax, right?"(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... Wrong. There is no fat tax. It was made up by Limbaugh. There are no politicians proposing a fat tax, and absolutely no chance of one passing, but Limbaugh wants to scare his fat audience into thinking that the government is going to get them and health care reform will come at their expense.

Limbaugh Lie #46: "we're going to get rid of your old clunker grandparents with Obama's health care. Cash for clunkers. Death for clunkers."(July 31, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #47: Limbaugh also posited that it would be the Republican elderly who would particularly be in danger of murder by Obamacare: "I've heard that this fear from so many people who have called this program, that whatever the rules in this bill are, that if you're a Democrat it's going to be a little easier for you to be massaged through the system, you're going to be punished less, your wait list will be shorter if you're a Democrat. A lot of people have this fear. It tells me that people know who this guy is and what he's all about."(July 31, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #48: When a caller claimed the Obama plan was "generational genocide," Limbaugh declared, "you're damn right."(August 7, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #49: "there are provisions galore for factoring your death when you reach a certain seasoned citizen age. There are facts and proposals and pages galore of how health care is going to be rationed."(August 10, 2009, http://mediamatters.org/...
There are no provisions for murdering people who reach a certain age. There are no facts and no pages at all that say health care is going to be rationed. Limbaugh was simply making it all up. None of this existed, none of it was real.

Limbaugh Lie #50: Limbaugh endorsed a caller's fear that Republicans would be denied health care under Obama: "if you want to look at yourself as perhaps being discriminated against, it's that you're elderly first and then maybe Republican second..."(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #51: "they save money two ways when elderly people die. One, you don't get health care anymore, but also you are no longer on the Social Security rolls."(July 30, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... It's rather sickening to claim that Obama is trying to kill the elderly to save money on health care and Social Security.

Limbaugh Lie #52: "what the Obamacare plan contains is end of life. Forget end-of-life counseling. It does have end of life. It's right there in the bill. He said it himself a number of times."(July 30, 2009)
Obama never said that. It's not in the bill.

Limbaugh Lie #53: When Obama held a press conference on health care, Limbaugh claimed it "was chock-full of some of the most blatant lies a president has told the country or the press corps, and he was not called on one of them."(July 23, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... But Limbaugh didn't identify a single lie told by Obama; he simply assumed that his audience would believe him without evidence.

Limbaugh Lie #54: "he admitted he's going to wipe out private insurance."(July 23, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
In reality, the WHO rankings don't give any special bias to military deaths, although life expectancy is one factor. The last WHO rankings, where the US was rated 37th in health care performance, not 34th, came in 2000, at which time America had not lost a substantial number of troops in military operations for a quarter-century.(http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html) So Limbaugh's argument about the WHO ratings was entirely fictionalized, and used solely to insult the French troops, who have been American allies in the war in Afghanistan and more deeply involved in foreign peacekeeping operations than the United States.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Francehttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #58: Limbaugh declared about health care in America, "There is no crisis. The crisis in health care is in the UK. The crisis in health care is in Canada. The crisis in health care is in Cuba. The crisis in health care is with the ChiComs. The crisis in health care is with a lot of other places. The crisis in health care here has been manufactured. My point is, folks -- just ask yourself in your own circle of friends, your family, community, your neighborhood, whatever -- how many people do you know who are actually walking around daily in fear, constantly fear of an auto accident or a major disease is going to wipe 'em out?"(June 16, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... That's completely untrue. Anyone who loses their employer-based health insurance would be perfectly free to purchase any insurance on the private market. The only difference under the House bill is that they would have an additional public option.

Limbaugh Lie #60: "you have the President of the United States telling private citizens who want to be doctors where they can go and where they can't go."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html) Absolutely nothing in any health care proposal would tell doctors where they can go and ban them from going elsewhere.

(continued in next post)

It's time for Limbaugh's lies to be exposed and refuted. The media should be reporting on the fact that the leading conservative voice in America is lying about health care and Republican politicians should be confronted with Limbaugh's lies and asked, "Do you agree?"
Submitted by JohnKWilson on Thu, 08/27/2009 - 7:47am.
http://obamapolitics.com/node/151

[WhatMoney]

118 Rush Limbaugh Lies about Health Care, Refuted
(continued)

Limbaugh Lie #61: "after this bill becomes law, nobody in the insurance business can offer anybody and you can't buy private medical insurance."(July 16, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... In reality, the provision does not ban private health insurance at all; it simply requires new health insurance plans to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange, which is a marketplace allowing consumers to comparison shop.(http://mediamatters.org/research/200907160040http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... Even if America went to a single-payer, government-run health care system, how could that possibly destroy the entire private sector?

Limbaugh Lie #64: Limbaugh claimed, "this health care plan is nothing more than the subprime mortgage debacle ready to happen all over again." (July 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... In reality, military secrets are almost never leaked to the media. And having electronic records doesn't make any difference in whether they're leaked to anyone. The fact is, the military already has a central record of health and other records about individual soldiers, and there's never been a case of these military health records being leaked to the media and published. So Limbaugh's paranoid fear-mongering about "centralized" health records has been proven false by the example of the military which he invokes.

Limbaugh Lie #66: "the United States Government and the state governments that have run this system into the ground and bankrupted it. They've made it unaffordable for you."(June 25, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... The government hasn't caused higher private insurance rates.

Limbaugh Lie #67: "people are going to the doctor too much."(June 25, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #68: "it used to be that medicine was a pay-as-you-go thing....Now we have insurance for medicine. You know what it is. It's just totally out of control, and it's people like Hillary Clinton who have made it this way!"(October 17, 2007, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html) In fact, Limbaugh has it all wrong. One important way to save money on health care is to spend money on basic health care and prevention, rather than waiting until an illness progresses to the point where treatment is much more expensive.

Limbaugh Lie #70: Limbaugh claims (without offering any evidence), "It has been established that there is no cost-benefit to preventive care."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...116.guest.html) The opposite is true. As Newt Gingrich twittered, "preventive care has largest benefits relative to cost for those most likely to suffer from specific medical problem."(August 12, 2009, http://twitter.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #71: Limbaugh said about Obama's health care plan, "Every poll shows the American people do not want what he's pushing."(July 27, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/... Actually, every poll showed the opposite. A Washington Post poll in July 2009 found 49-44 approval for Obama's handling of health care reform, but 54% approved of the legislation.(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...902176.html?hp id=topnews) When it comes to Obama's proposals, a June 2009 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that 76% of Americans wanted a public option in health care.(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se..._poll_Full.pdf)

Limbaugh Lie #72: Citing a Gallup Poll that found 44% of Americans felt the Obama proposals would improve health care and 34% felt the proposals would worsen it, Limbaugh declared: "the bottom line is the people do not want this!"(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...106.guest.html)
People who know what's actually being proposed do want health care reform.

Limbaugh Lie #73: "He doesn't have the constitutional authority to ram health care down everybody's throat, but he's trying to do that."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
Obama isn't ramming health care down everybody's throat by fiat. He's asking Congress to pass a health care reform law, which is completely Constitutional.

Limbaugh Lie #74: "You say there aren't any death panels here? Well, there certainly aren't any life panels! We're not hearing about improved medical care."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
Obama's health care reform plan includes a demand "to improve the quality of care delivered" and provide medical care to the uninsured.(http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fy2010_key_healthcare/)

Limbaugh Lie #75: Limbaugh claimed about health care, "The Obama army has to be bought and paid for."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...116.guest.html)
There's no evidence that the vast numbers of people supporting health care reform are stooges being paid by Obama. The idea is itself laughable.

Limbaugh Lie #76: "At a certain stage in your life, Barack Obama and the executive branch are going to decide who gets paid, who gets covered, and who gets treated. And they're going to make the decision based on how sick are you and how old are you."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
There's absolutely nothing in any legislation or any of Obama's plans to do this.

Limbaugh Lie #77: Limbaugh admitted that he has a living will, "but not because there's a federal panel that's making me do it. Not because the government's requiring me to do it."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
Nothing in the House bill or Obama's plan requires anyone to have a living will.

Limbaugh Lie #78: Limbaugh said about a caller, "she's out there, 'Well, I'm working three part-time jobs and they're not giving me any health care.' Go buy it! Get rid of the cell phone; get rid of cable TV."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
There's no way that a cell phone and cable TV bill would cover the cost of health insurance, particularly for the woman Limbaugh is talking about who has a preexisting condition.

Limbaugh Lie #79: "All you have to do is read H.R. 3200, and that's scary. Nobody has written a bigger horror book than H.R. 3200. It mandates end-of-life counseling."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
It doesn't mandate end-of-life counseling, and end-of-life counseling isn't scary.

Limbaugh Lie #80: "The death panel phrase Sarah Palin came up with is precisely controversial because it was accurate."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
There are no death panels, they do not exist.

Limbaugh Lie #81: "he's gotta make people believe that it's going to be the first government program in the history of government programs that reduced the cost of anything."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...10.member.html)
Numerous government programs reduce costs (such as community colleges, which are vastly cheaper than private colleges). In fact Medicare provides health care for the elderly at lower payment rates than private insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #82: "we've got the best health care in the world already. And everybody who needs it gets it one way or another. They may not all have insurance, but anybody who needs health care in this country gets it."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...11.member.html)
In America, people without insurance or substantial bank accounts are not able to get most health care beyond emergency services.

Limbaugh Lie #83: "I don't see a whole lot of people fleeing this country to go get health care. In fact, I see just the opposite."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...11.member.html)
The people who can't afford medical care in America also can't afford to fly to another country for medical treatment.

Limbaugh Lie #84: "day-to-day, there's no health care crisis in this country. You can get it. So, it isn't about health care, per se."[Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, 6/18/09]
Obviously, Limbaugh doesn't understand how health care works (or doesn't work) in America. Anyone can go into an emergency room and get lifesaving treatment if they're bleeding to death, even if they can't pay for it. But the overwhelming majority of necessary health care doesn't come in the form of emergency care. It comes in the form of expensive operations and drug treatments, which do require insurance or vast sums of money.

Limbaugh Lie #85: "This is just about gaining control, taking money, and controlling people's lives, and wiping out Republicans." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, 6/18/09]"
No one is wiping out Republicans or controlling people's lives or taking money. Health care reform is about saving lives and saving money.

Limbaugh Lie #86: "Look, it doesn't say 'death panels' in there, but he's going to set up a commission. He wants to take over the control which currently resides in Congress of deciding how much money is spent, Medicare and Medicaid, and on whom. That already exists! He wants to take it over from Congress, have it run out of the executive branch with a commission of people that he's already talked about setting up making these decisions."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

Limbaugh Lie #87: "So it doesn't say 'death panels' in there but, look, common sense and common sense. You don't spend health care money on the healthy. You don't spend any money on the healthy. You spent it on the sick and they're going to cut back."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh's fundamental error is assuming that spending money is the same as quality health care. If a hospital charges $20 for an aspirin to a Medicare patient, and the government negotiates the price down to $10,that doesn't reduce the quality of care.

Limbaugh Lie #88: "The death panel. The commission's going to 'let doctors know, your moms know, you know what, maybe this isn't going to help maybe you're better off not having the surgery,' we say to the 100-year-old mother, grandmother, 'maybe just take the pain pill.' What the hell? This is clear as a bell. That's lie one that he claims is being lied about, and we just refuted it."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Limbaugh didn't refute a lie, he repeated it. Nothing Obama said suggested that there would be death panels. Instead, he urged having a way to inform doctors about the effectiveness of different treatments, so that patients could be better informed about their options.

Limbaugh Lie #89: "The 47 uninsured figure includes about 12 to 14 million illegal aliens. If you take them out the 47 million drops proportionately and then there are young people who actively choose to not buy it. It's not that they can't get it. They just don't want it. So the number of truly uninsured people -- we've run the numbers on this -- uninsured people who want it but don't have it is 12 million. You can insure 12 million people for one year for $30 billion, and you could take it out of the unspent stimulus money."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
The claim that there are 14 million uninsured illegal aliens is hard to believe, since there were only 11.2 million illlegal immigrants in the US in 2008, and certainly some of them have medical insurance from employers or private insurers.(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/us...partner=rssnyt)
Limbaugh has no evidence that 21-23 million Americans "don't want" any health insurance. Nor does he show how the remaining 12 million people, who often have preexisting conditions that prevent them from getting affordable health insurance, could receive it for $2,500 a year, about half the rate for a typical individual.(http://healthinsurance.about.com/b/2...h-insurance-pr emium-out-of-reach-for-uninsured.htm)

Limbaugh Lie #90: "I mean not only is he saying that all persons and all women can access reproductive care. We already cover every other form of reproductive care: prenatal, postnatal, we cover all that. The only thing that can be talked about here is abortion, and when Planned Parenthood's involved, we know that they're asking here about abortion, and they're talking in code lingo. So, Mr. President, it is not a lie that federal tax dollars are going to be used to pay for abortions and not just in the public option."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
It is a lie. Reproductive care doesn't just mean abortion, and it is common for birth control bills not to be covered by health insurance.(http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91538) Obama was talking about his goals in 2007 for health insurance, not what the 2009 House bill and other plans would actually cover.

Limbaugh Lie #91: 'But he wants single payer. He wants it by the end of his first term and certainly in 15 or 20 years."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, Obama declared that he wanted universal health care by the end of his first term, and said he could imagine that in 10 or 15 or 20 years, the American people would prefer a public system rather than employer-based insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #92: "You're not going to have a choice in this, and Obama has said he's for single payer. He said it in 2003. He said it in 2007. He's for single payer. He knows it can't be done right off the bat. They have to ease into it. It might take 15 or 20 years, but that's the objective. So you might be able to keep your private plan for a period of time while they get this going."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, Obama said he would prefer single payer if the US didn't already have employer-based insurance. But he never said that he wanted to adopt single payer, and nothing in the bill creates a plan for single payer health care.

Limbaugh Lie #93: "even if abortion and illegal coverage is not actually in the House bill, if it's not mentioned, the Supreme Court will see to it they get coverage. The Supreme Court's already ruled that illegal aliens have all citizen rights, and Obama knows this."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
The Supreme Court has never ruled that illegal aliens have all the rights of citizens, and it has never declared that illegal aliens are entitled to government-provided health insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #94: "when it comes to illegals being covered under Obama's plan, the Supreme Court's already taken care of that."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, they haven't. Limbaugh can't name a single Supreme Court case that would require offering them government health insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #95: "We now have the public government option exposed, the secret is out."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...111.guest.html)
There was no "secret" public option; it was a fundamental part of Obama's health care proposal from the start. His 2007 fact sheet on health care noted, "the Obama plan will: (1) establish a new public insurance program."(http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/HealthPlanFull.pdf)

Limbaugh Lie #96: "CALLER: I just broke my wrist and it's costing me $6,000. I can't afford that.
RUSH: Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist.....You know why it costs $6,000? Because you technically aren't paying for it. An insurance policy is paying for it backed up by some government insurance policy or what have you."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...113.guest.html)
As Limbaugh's caller explained, his broken wrist is costing him $6,000, and since he's paying for it, it can't be the government causing it to be $6,000. It actually cost him $6,000. But Limbaugh always believes the government is to blame.

Limbaugh Lie #97: "The government says that life expectancy in the United States has risen to a new high, unexpectedly so. It stands at 78 years. How can this possibly be with our horrible health care system, I ask you? How can our life expectancy be up 78 years, unexpectedly so?"(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
Life expectancy of 78 years isn't "unexpectedly" high; America ranks number 50 in the world, which is a terrible result for the country which spends far more than any other country on health care.(https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html) In Canada, with the socialized medicine and "rationing" decried by Limbaugh, life expectancy is 82 years, ranking it #8 in the world. The United States ranked #11 in life expectancy in 1984, and 42nd in 2004, according to US Census Bureau statistics.(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293008,00.html) So these life expectancy results show how flawed the American health care system is, the exact opposite of what Limbaugh claims.

Limbaugh Lie #98: "Is there any doubt that Obamacare will sooner or later fund abortions? There is no doubt."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html)
Obama's health care plan doesn't fund abortions, and so there's plenty of doubt.

Limbaugh Lie #99: "He just explained here how his health care plan would provide abortion as basic care"(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
Obama said "reproductive health care," not abortion, and he was speaking in 2007 about his goals, not about the current health care reform plan.

Limbaugh Lie #100: "Is there any doubt that Obamacare sooner or later will have death panels? Whatever you call them, there's going to be a panel that's going to decide who gets health care and who doesn't and how much is going to be spent."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html)
Obama's health care plan has no provisions for a panel to decide on every allocation of health care.

Limbaugh Lie #101: "If illegal immigrants are not going to get Obamacare how come all of these Hispanic groups are lobbying for it?"(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...106.guest.html)
Illegal immigrants aren't covered under Obama's plan, and Hispanic groups are lobbying for it because millions of Latino Americans lack adequate health insurance.

Limbaugh Lie #102: "Obama's out there just lying through his teeth saying that's what his health plan wants to be, wants to provide. 'Well, we just want to add more competition.'"(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Obama isn't lying, and a public option does add more competition.

Limbaugh Lie #103: "if your premium goes up a dime, if you decide that you want to add to or subtract from the coverage that you have and pay for -- you lose it! It's in the bill."(August 20, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
No, it isn't. There is absolutely nothing in the House bill saying that people will lose their insurance if the coverage changes or the premium goes up.

Limbaugh Lie #104: "You say there aren't any death panels here? Well, there certainly aren't any life panels! We're not hearing about improved medical care."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
Obama's health care reform plan includes a demand "to improve the quality of care delivered" and provide medical care to the uninsured.(http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fy2010_key_healthcare/)

Limbaugh Lie #105: "Try this headline: 'Heart Attack Deaths Fall After Medicare Guidelines.' -- 'Clearer U.S. guidelines on how to treat elderly heart attack patients appear to have saved lives, with a marked reduction in heart attack deaths.' This has gotta be stopped! This has gotta be stopped, saving seasoned citizens' lives with health care tips? This is not in the plan."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
To the contrary, clearer guidelines to improve health care is precisely what Obama has proposed: "the development of data on the effectiveness of medical interventions to improve the quality of care delivered."(http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fy2010_key_healthcare/)

Limbaugh Lie #106: "Limiting medical treatment is cruel and unusual in a free country, it's unthinkable in America, as unthinkable as infanticide, which Obama actually once voted to withhold treatment from infants who survived abortions."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
Medical treatment is already limited in America by insurance companies or lack of insurance, so it's far from unthinkable. It happens every day, and the Obama health care plan will reduce this "cruel" practice. And Obama never voted for infanticide.

Limbaugh Lie #107: "this is a willful, purposeful destruction of the capitalist US economy, and health care is the number one thing."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...110.guest.html)
Obama is not destroying capitalism, and his health care plan is a capitalist, free-market plan which allows for private and public competition, just like what happens today in fields such radio, television, higher education, and yes, health care.

Limbaugh Lie #108: According to Limbaugh, "No, there won't be a private doctor for you to go to."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...110.guest.html)
Absolutely nothing in the Obama's plan bans private doctors.

Limbaugh Lie #109: "He doesn't have the constitutional authority to ram health care down everybody's throat, but he's trying to do that."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...112.guest.html)
Obama isn't ramming health care down everybody's throat by fiat. He's asking Congress to pass a health care reform law, which is completely Constitutional.

Limbaugh Lie #110: "this entire health care legislation is not even constitutional."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
There is nothing even remotely unconstitutional about any of the health care reform proposals. Notably, Limbaugh doesn't even bother to say what specific legislation is unconstitutional, or what part of the Constitution is being violated; he simply believes that the government is not allowed to pass legislation dealing with health care, which is a stand the Supreme Court has never made.

Limbaugh Lie #111: Quoting Bernie Sanders, who said, "'Does Barack Obama want to kill off the old people or the disabled?' That is insane," Limbaugh responded, "It's not insane. It's going to happen! It's going to happen."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...115.guest.html)
Obama is not going to kill off old people and the disabled, and it is insane for Limbaugh to assert this.

Limbaugh Lie #112: "The Bush administration pulled this Death Book. The Bush administration yanked it. It's the Obama administration that put it back on there."(August 24, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
There is no "death book"; a 1997 voluntary guide for veterans on end-of-life issues was recommended by the Veterans Administration throughout the Bush Administration and continued to be recommended by it during the Obama Administration while updated information is being prepared.(http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...eath-book-lie; http://mediamatters.org/...

Limbaugh Lie #113: When Social Security announced that there would be no cost-of-living increases due to low inflation, Limbaugh said: "this could also be a ploy designed to get seasoned citizens on board for health care, whatever health care the Obama administration wants."(August 24, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
This is no "ploy" to pass health care, and no rational reason why a lack of cost-of-living increases would affect support for health care. The decision is based on inflation, not influenced by the Obama Administration.

Limbaugh Lie #114: "they know it's going to take years and years and years to do it, but just as it was in Nazi Germany, the National Socialist party, health care was the building block foundation."(August 24, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Health care was not the "buildiing block" of Nazism and nothing about the Obama health care plan will lead to fascism.

Limbaugh Lie #115: "there's going to be a public option....And with that, they then regulate what you can eat and what you can't eat and they might be able to regulate where you live down the line. They might be able to regulate every aspect of your life as it relates to health care and cost."(August 24, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
A public option does not allow the government to control what people eat or where they can live, let alone "every aspect of your life."

Limbaugh Lie #116: "We know Obama is lying about his intentions to destroy private health care. He says he's not; we know he wants to. His detachment from reality on this is instructive in a lot of ways."(August 24, 2009, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...
Obama is not detached from reality; Limbaugh is. Obama does not intend to destroy private health care. He has always expressed some theoretical support for single payer insurance (which would not destroy private health care), but supported continuing the system of employer-based health insurance in the United States. Nothing in any of the health care plans would destroy private health insurance, and certainly not private health care.

Limbaugh Lie #117: Obama "wants us to have the same health care and plan that he had in Kenya."(August 24, 2009, http://mediamatters.org/...
Obama was not born in Kenya, contrary to Limbaugh's birther fantasy, and never had a health care plan during his short visits to Kenya as an adult. He has always had American health insurance, and his health care plan will improve the US system, not imitate anything in Kenya.

Limbaugh Lie #118: Limbaugh claimed, "the administration said that they were going to have mandatory circumcision in this country as one of the tools to fight HIV."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html)
The Centers for Disease Control is considering urging circumcision of baby boys; there is no mandatory circumcision in any way being proposed. Rush, your penis is safe from Obama.

Limbaugh claimed, "I have not said one lie about what Obama's plan is."(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html)
For once, Limbaugh is correct. He hasn't said one lie, he's said (and repeated) more than one hundred lies.

It's time for Limbaugh's lies to be exposed and refuted. The media should be reporting on the fact that the leading conservative voice in America is lying about health care and Republican politicians should be confronted with Limbaugh's lies and asked, "Do you agree?"

Submitted by JohnKWilson on Thu, 08/27/2009 - 7:47am.
http://obamapolitics.com/node/151

[LimpDisc]

What bothers me is people blasting government hand outs (tax credits) while having their hand out. I was doing my taxes and I can't believe all the different tax credits. Home buyer, earned income, child, education and so on.

[backtoschool]

Unproven. Anita Hill was a political hack the left tried to use to destroy a fine man of unquestioned integrity. Obviously, he won. She is nothing but a footnote in history today while he is at the highest level of our judiciary anyone can achieve.

Which reminds of why Michelle Obama is famous and deemed important by some. Oh yeah, she married the right guy. She is the anti-feminist!

I am not quite sure what you mean by "the anti-feminist" OF, but I think you are suggesting that I get a cross and some garlic and start chanting to myself as I clutch a well-worn-well-read bible every time Michelle Obama's name is mentioned.

I am too young to have followed the Anita Hill /Clarence Thomas scandal in detail at the time it happened, although I remember my high school government teacher making us watch some of the confirmation hearings in class. I tried to skip classes on those days.... (I preferred to go smoke pot at my local coffee shop with my high-school class mates instead. )

[backtoschool]

No I don't see. I know that Anita Hill was used to try to sandbag Justice Thomas' nomination and her allegations were never proven and appeared out of nowhere. Either she was a political hack or a political pawn. Neither is very flattering.

Mrs Obama grew up in a suburb and received the highest quality education available to anyone in this country. She was given very lucrative jobs. All of this happened long before she made that ridiculous claim of finally being proud of her country. Whatever her motive for saying it, it was a horrible thing to say and brought forth the ignorance she has in spite of her education.

I won't respect her. She's just another part of the Chicago political machine. Her gender and race are irrelevant. Her actions are by what I judge her.

Why do you think that Michelle Obama's jobs were "given" to her and not earned by her? Please explain OF.

[justbroke]

Can you please, and you know who you are, stop posting pages of information from other websites here. If you need that much data to prove a point, you're having problems proving your point. A free discussion is what I thought was going on here, but not it's just a posting war.

Who cares what Limbaugh has to say. Do your OWN homework.

Who cares what the President has to say. Do your OWN homework.

This political climate will never change when people just repeat what they hear, rather than read for themselves, form an opinion, and then use their own words to communicate with others why they don't agree with one particular view or other views on the subject.

I just wasted 3 minutes of my life wondering why this page was so long!

[WhatMoney]

Can you please, and you know who you are, stop posting pages of information from other websites here. If you need that much data to prove a point, you're having problems proving your point. A free discussion is what I thought was going on here, but not it's just a posting war.

Who cares what Limbaugh has to say. Do your OWN homework.

Who cares what the President has to say. Do your OWN homework.

You talking to me jb?
I was just answering a question OhioF asked me a few days ago. He wanted examples of Rush Limbaugh (his hero) telling lies, with references. I just provided him with 118 Limbaugh lies, ALL on just one subject. Imagine the Limbaugh lies if we expanded them to everything Limbaugh has said for the last 20 years. Sort of like Carl Sagan's Billions and Billions of Stars.

This political climate will never change when people just repeat what they hear, rather than read for themselves, form an opinion, and then use their own words to communicate with others why they don't agree with one particular view or other views on the subject.

I agree with you. I've been saying that for years on this forum. But instead all I hear are personal attacks and talking point quotes taken directly from Limbaugh from certain individuals.

When someone tells outrageous lies disguised as "his opinion" I expect them to provide their source for those lies.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

[OhioFiler]

I am not quite sure what you mean by "the anti-feminist" OF, but I think you are suggesting that I get a cross and some garlic and start chanting to myself as I clutch a well-worn-well-read bible every time Michelle Obama's name is mentioned.

I am too young to have followed the Anita Hill /Clarence Thomas scandal in detail at the time it happened, although I remember my high school government teacher making us watch some of the confirmation hearings in class. I tried to skip classes on those days.... (I preferred to go smoke pot at my local coffee shop with my high-school class mates instead. )

I think that is a wise thing to do!

Of course your government teacher wanted you to watch those hearings. He's an NEA member. Those hearings were designed to destroy a conservative black man. I'm glad you did coffee and dope instead.

[OhioFiler]

Why do you think that Michelle Obama's jobs were "given" to her and not earned by her? Please explain OF.

Easy enough. When you're part of the elite it's much easier to "earn" a job. It's called cronyism.

[backtoschool]

Easy enough. When you're part of the elite it's much easier to "earn" a job. It's called cronyism.

But just who is part of the "elite" OF? I got my job through contacts, but I am very qualified for the job, in fact, I am overqualified for the job. Was I "given" my job by your definition?

You keep referring to this omnipresent "elite" OF. According to you they fill both coasts, and come out at night during full moons in the midwest to prey on innocent conservatives.

Just who do you mean when you refer to the "elite"? I am curious....

[OhioFiler]

Good points Logan, we need to demand honesty. Free speech is protected, but selling snake oil was outlawed a long time ago. These farces of hitler photos, and socialism, or the lies told by both parties have to stop. How can we ever be sure we have made the right choice if the person or party does not have to be honest, and can not be held responsible? I think freedom of speech was so that you could speak out about what you disagreed with, not that you could draw mustaches on people or falsely potray them as something they are not like a socialist, or marching in lock step like they said bush did.

An informed electorate can see through the lies and distortions. Too many voters are ignorant and simply vote the way Katie Couric or the editor of the local paper tells them to vote.

Obama is a socialist and proud of it. Who do you see being portrayed falsely as a socialist?

[backtoschool]

An informed electorate can see through the lies and distortions. Too many voters are ignorant and simply vote the way Katie Couric or the editor of the local paper tells them to vote.

Obama is a socialist and proud of it. Who do you see being portrayed falsely as a socialist?

What's wrong with being a socialist? Sweden is a socialist country. The citizens of Sweden lead very productive happy lives.

Government intervention in banking is also socialism. It was Bush's "socialism" that bailed out all of the banks and AIG. Is it still "socialism" when it is the banks that get the government assistance? Just curious.....

Either we have no government intervention, or we have consistent government intervention. Bailing out companies or demographic groups selectively is worse than straightforward socialism. (even though it is still socialism)