Political Discussion

[backtoschool]

I'm impressed. For one so apolitical you certainly paid attention to his reading that evening.

I doubt he'll be able to rally the house democrats around him. The house is controlled by that whack job Pelosi and she's losing control over her minions who are scared of what will happen to them in November. I see an attempt to oust her from the leadership position she enjoys coming this summer. Chaos in the house will be fun to watch should this occur!

Well I was stuck in a hotel room in California, doing training for work, so I figured I might as well watch the speech. Normally, I would not have watched it. I agree with you that Pelosi is at risk. I do hope however that some sort of jobs bill gets passed before there is total chaos.

[OhioFiler]

I think this is more your wish than a fact, OF. There will be certain bills that will pass in the next three years, mostly relating to job creation and tax breaks. It will be difficult to impossible for all republicans to vote against jobs bills and other bills of this type.

As to Obama being far left, well I am a progressive liberal, and I do not think Obama has even come close to representing my views. His agenda has been much more like Bushes' than like the agenda any liberal would want. He is growing the war in Afghanistan, trying to cut social programs, was going to allow a roll-back of abortion rights, and has all but abandoned womens and gay rights initiatives.

But....

He is better than the alternatives.

Obama and Alito have a long personal history of animosity that goes back to when Obama did not vote for Alito's confirmation. Obama also overturned one of Alito's key rulings as one of his first actions as president.

No president gets much done. All presidents read from teleprompters. I agree that this speech was just a speech and will not change much, as you can see from my comments earlier in this thread.

Obama is neutered on health care reform and that was to be his legacy. This talk of jobs bills is a renaming of the stimulus bills and he'll have a hard time getting it passed.

Obama was forced by public opinion to ramp up the Afghanistan offensive. He is rolling back "don't ask , don't tell" for the gays. He hired Janet Napolitano to assuage both women's groups and gays when she is clearly unqualified.

What social program has he cut? What roll-back of abortion rights has he almost allowed?

Obama is a Marxist.

Alito has been proven correct by all who have fact checked Obama's distortion of the SCOTUS ruling. Obama can not overturn a SCOTUS ruling.

I trust all is well in California. Be careful, that state is close to bankruptcy. I wouldn't want you to become trapped at the Hotel California.

[JRScott]

They don't need to spend more money we don't have on yet another pork laden 'stimulus' 'job' 'whatever' bill.

They could immediately give broad relief to all industries if they'd just cut corporate taxes 10-15%. A 1 paragraph bill that merely cut the corporate tax in half would be a tremendous boon for all business in the United States.

[justbroke]

You say you lived in MA. The rule you just applied to Dodd did not work there. Voters stayed home as they must have been doing all along when Kennedy ran believing a dem was guaranteed.

Actually, Independents, as I was registered in Massachusetts, outnumber Democrats and Republicans (period). It wouldn't matter if all the Democrats came out and instinctively selected the "DEM" lever(s). The voters did NOT stay home. Almost 2,250,000 votes were cast. Only 3,000,000 people came out for the presidential election. That's impressive for a special election. Basically, it was not at all about being home, complacent and people defending "The People's Seat" as "Ted Kennedy's Seat". Very smart move by Scott Brown to make it the "People's Seat".

Some day, people will finally realize that while a President can have an Agenda, Congress is the roadblock to all good things that could be done. We need to stop talking about and blaming an Administration without directly looking at Congress.

[OhioFiler]

Actually, Independents, as I was registered in Massachusetts, outnumber Democrats and Republicans (period). It wouldn't matter if all the Democrats came out and instinctively selected the "DEM" lever(s). The voters did NOT stay home. Almost 2,250,000 votes were cast. Only 3,000,000 people came out for the presidential election. That's impressive for a special election. Basically, it was not at all about being home, complacent and people defending "The People's Seat" as "Ted Kennedy's Seat". Very smart move by Scott Brown to make it the "People's Seat".

Some day, people will finally realize that while a President can have an Agenda, Congress is the roadblock to all good things that could be done. We need to stop talking about and blaming an Administration without directly looking at Congress.

I hold, Obama, Pelosi and Reid equally responsible for trying to lead this country down the path of the likes of Hugo Chavez. I admire the people of this country who have decided to become involved and put a stop to their socialistic agenda. I have the utmost respect for the independent voters in Massachusetts who saw the light.

2/3rds of the public is opposed to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid health care bills and the people of Massachusetts stepped up and spoke loudly and clearly for the citizens in the other 49 states(56 if you are Obama).

[OHBOY]

'Ohio Filer":
I totally concur with you!
To add: With his daily televised rambling speaches the image of Fidel Castro also comes into my mind.
I resent my paid for tv viewing time to be held hostage by his flapping lips.

[LimpDisc]

You are so blinded by your rage toward anyone who is opposed to your Dear Leader and his "For once in my life, I am proud of my country" crony of a wife that you are forced to make ridiculous statements like the one above.

It’s all too funny that you're commenting on someone else’s rage. You’re so set it your far right wing beliefs that you are unable to discuss anything with an open mind.

[LimpDisc]

Some day, people will finally realize that while a President can have an Agenda, Congress is the roadblock to all good things that could be done. We need to stop talking about and blaming an Administration without directly looking at Congress.

I'm hoping to see that day, JB. I can make a very long list of politicians that I would like to see removed from CONgress. Hopefully more people will have had it with this nonsense and there will be big loses on both sides of the isle next election.

[OhioFiler]

Not quite true that I'm unable to discuss anything with an open mind. I spent some time as a liberal and have come to appreciate the values of conservatism. I don't hold far right wing views (at least I don't think I do, perhaps you can define those for all of us).

I hold beliefs that are documented in the Constitution of our great country.

I have no desire nor need to consider liberal points of view. Most are too malleable to be given the time of day. Most require a tweaking of the Constitution to justify them. I did my research.

I have no rage. In fact, I usually laugh at liberal posts.

[OhioFiler]

I'm hoping to see that day, JB. I can make a very long list of politicians that I would like to see removed from CONgress. Hopefully more people will have had it with this nonsense and there will be big loses on both sides of the isle next election.

Can you be specific which republican and democratic senators you think should be removed from office?

[LimpDisc]

Can you be specific which republican and democratic senators you think should be removed from office?

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, John Murtha, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham for starters.

Glad to see Ted Kennedy & Christopher Dodd gone.

Happy?

How about naming some Republicans you'd like to see removed?

[PoorGrammyinBK7]

Just wondered - who in the world is "Rosen Bush"?

[penniless]

Can you be specific which republican and democratic senators you think should be removed from office?

I think we should get rid of them all and start fresh All they care about is getting re-elected. There is just too much money involved and too many lobbyists. When you see on the news that government agencies spend millions to lobby the government for more millions, that in itself would conclude that government isn't working.

[DeadManCrawling]

Add Ben Nelson of Nebraska to that list.

He was able to wrangle a special "deal" for his state's Medicare funding. Later, he withdrew it, under fire. That he tried this in public, in the first place, is enough to merit his removal.

Back home, in Nebraska, voters were outraged. I think he may lose the next election. I know folks from Nebraska. They are generally no-nonsense, common-sense people, and I wasn't surprised at all when they (all parties) expressed contempt toward Nelson.

Really, though, I think this nationwide BK party is just getting underway. And the electorate will probably speak very loudly come election time. Nearly every state is in trouble, and the place they usually look for help, Washington, is so broke there won't BE any help. The money they might have received has already been spent to shore up the golden hallways in the towers of Wall Street.

When the you-know-what hits the fan, it will be loud and ugly. I don't know if it will even make any sort of sense, after it settles. I expect a resounding vote against incumbents of all parties, I think. What happens from there is anyone's guess, but it probably still won't solve anything.

Hard to fix problems that require money and fiscal restraint when we have neither in our government, and have not through the last 4-5 administrations.

BTW, I didn't mean to stir up bad feelings with this post, only to express my concerns, so if anyone has been irritated with the little bit of mud-slinging that got injected here, my apologies. Some very polarizing events are happening around us and there are bound to be strong feelings.

[justbroke]

IAll they care about is getting re-elected.

And I say that is one of the very fact specific reasons Congresscritters do what they do. From the 100th to 111th Congress, they have sometimes impressed me, but the last few seatings of Congress have been pitiful. The place is full of long-term Congressman and Senators who think more about partisan voting, than voting their conscience. Oh wait, your conscience can be bought. This leaves me with the distaste that I have. I would love to reseat Congress.