Political Discussion

[FLBK7]

yes he is a magician and has plenty of errors of his own to undo. all the promises he made to get you to vote for his affairs are vanishing just like magic. 2.2 million jobs have disappeared before your very eyes thus far during his administration, just like magic.

and to be quite frank, I have absolutley no expectations whatsoever from Obama, so you really don't know how I feel about it.

What you don't seem to understand is that those jobs, and perhaps even more than the 2.2 million you quoted, would have disappeared anyway under McCain. The train was derailing big time even before the November election. What you're seeing is the effect of decades of failed policies and runaway, totally unregulated capitalism.

[FLBK7]

easy to fix for you since your age bracket isn't the one being threatened of never seeing the money that has been taken from you.

You must have missed the part where I mentioned one of my adult children who refuses to pay into SS and is investing his money elsewhere because he is convinced there will be no SS at all by the time he is ready to retire. I'm glad he is young enough and smart enough to choose that option.

Moreover JRScott's proposed fix for SS is sound and logical. Maybe HE should run for Congress!

[Bandit]

What you don't seem to understand is that those jobs, and perhaps even more than the 2.2 million you quoted, would have disappeared anyway under McCain. The train was derailing big time even before the November election. What you're seeing is the effect of decades of failed policies and runaway, totally unregulated capitalism.

I understand that view better than you think I do. Always blaiming the guy before. That is how they want you to think. I was brainwashed into that view in high school.

What you dont seem to understand is I dont care about mccain or obama. You are still in the democrat vs republican mindset and as long as you keep doing that it is never going to change and the train will never stop derailing. You see two parties at odds and I only see one party against the people, called the repdem party.

You think you are voting on one party over the other but the truth is and you just admitted yourself it is the repdem system who is causing the train wreck for generations and if it does not matter if repdem gets into office, why would you keep voting on it?

[Bandit]

You must have missed the part where I mentioned one of my adult children who refuses to pay into SS and is investing his money elsewhere because he is convinced there will be no SS at all by the time he is ready to retire. I'm glad he is young enough and smart enough to choose that option.

Moreover JRScott's proposed fix for SS is sound and logical. Maybe HE should run for Congress!

Yes I missed that part.

I know it is logical because he understand politcs the same way I do and sees the problems of the repdem party the same way I do. The problem is the repdem party/system isn't in this for the people who they steal from and wont care if you never get your funds back. I am also convinced there will be no SS in the near future so please explain how someone (your child) aborts government SS tax and keeps the money the repdem party demands & invests it elsewhere. (?)

I would like to do that also.

[Bandit]

I would like to do that also.

Legally.

[Bandit]

Oh, and by the way I do give credit where credit is deserved. Obama did come up with a plan that lowered the interest rate of a home to 2% that had a mortgage of 2,300 a month reduced to 1,300 a month payment and now one of the women I work with gets to keep her house, while tagging all her missed payments onto the end of the mortgage.

However, I don't believe for two seconds he came up with that for her benefit or the lower and middle class, rather it was to benefit the rich banks who cannot afford to get stuck with any more houses that wont turn around in this economy.

I asked her about the fine print but she doesn't know.

[JRScott]

You must have missed the part where I mentioned one of my adult children who refuses to pay into SS and is investing his money elsewhere because he is convinced there will be no SS at all by the time he is ready to retire. I'm glad he is young enough and smart enough to choose that option.

Moreover JRScott's proposed fix for SS is sound and logical. Maybe HE should run for Congress!

Unfortunately Common Sense is in rare supply in Washington, besides given the election laws in North Carolina it would be very hard to take Richard Burr's seat being that I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I've been working to try to change North Carolina's election laws but its not an easy process and died in the NC House this year. (Basically the committee sat on it until past the date where NC does not allow non budget items to be introduced).

It would take tens of thousands of signatures from at least 3 separate NC districts to run for Senator plus the filing fee.

[Bandit]

Unfortunately Common Sense is in rare supply in Washington, besides given the election laws in North Carolina it would be very hard to take Richard Burr's seat being that I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I've been working to try to change North Carolina's election laws but its not an easy process and died in the NC House this year. (Basically the committee sat on it until past the date where NC does not allow non budget items to be introduced).

It would take tens of thousands of signatures from at least 3 separate NC districts to run for Senator plus the filing fee.

The repdems become extremely nervous and angry even if only 1% is given to anyone outside of that party. It is the Repdems who made it so no one else can have a fair chance at running, let alone a fair opportunity at winning. When I go down to vote in the primary presedential election I am FORCED to choose repdem or else I cannot vote. I have only one choice and if I do not choose the repdem party system, then I cannot vote. That has to change! That is not a fair election to the other independents or legit parties who can offer something truly different. I also do not belong to the repdem party system. The repdem system has made it so, and so expensive, that no one outside of the repdem party can be elected and the public just keeps sitting there blaming the repdem system and voting on the same party that is at fault. With all these crazy crooked laws and executive orders breaching the consititution, the repdem party equals an Ayatollah that can never be impeached. In this, the voting system has realistically been rigged by using crooked RepDem laws.

I was pleased to see in the city election this year, all the independents who came out. We had 5 independents run for Mayor this year with not a single repdem, and several independents for the other offices. They have a different attitude and a more reasonable outlook than repdems. It was not an easy task and it took a decade but we finally got term limits in place as well. So it is slowly changing in some areas, but not fast enough in congress and still impossible for the white house and certainly some states still do not have any other options. People are fed up with the repdems, but they don't know what to do about it.

From what I know, there are only two independent senators in congress now, though once affiliated with the repdem system and fairly good relationship with the ones they came out of. Sanders for Vermont and Lieberman for Connecticut. Though I think they still carry a lot of old fashioned ideas that have new ideas as well. At least they made the move to come out of the repdem party with success and stand on their own two feet with success. This makes the repdems tremble in their knees. So with people like you, JRSCott, and the awareness and stamina you have, we are making progress, so don't give up.

[OhioFiler]

How's that Hopenchange working out for y'all?

[OhioFiler]

From what I know, there are only two independent senators in congress now, though once affiliated with the repdem system and fairly good relationship with the ones they came out of. Sanders for Vermont and Lieberman for Connecticut. Though I think they still carry a lot of old fashioned ideas that have new ideas as well. At least they made the move to come out of the repdem party with success and stand on their own two feet with success. This makes the repdems tremble in their knees. So with people like you, JRSCott, and the awareness and stamina you have, we are making progress, so don't give up.

Bernie Sanders is a Socialist which is primarily just a Democrat who leans far far left.

Lieberman is a Democrat who was forced to run as an independent simply because he supported GWB's resolve to win the Iraq War and the looney left in Connecticut refused to support him in the primary election.

Neith of these gentleman qualify as true independents.

[Bandit]

Bernie Sanders is a Socialist which is primarily just a Democrat who leans far far left.

Lieberman is a Democrat who was forced to run as an independent simply because he supported GWB's resolve to win the Iraq War and the looney left in Connecticut refused to support him in the primary election.

Neith of these gentleman qualify as true independents.

well, I could not agree with you more.

but on the other side of the coin, they did run as independents and were voted in as an independents. It has to start somewhere and it isn't easy to shake off what you were taught all your life to be and believe. iT wasn't easy for me either to finally reject the repdems.

[OhioFiler]

well, I could not agree with you more.

but on the other side of the coin, they did run as independents and were voted in as an independents. It has to start somewhere and it isn't easy to skake off what you were taught all your life to be and believe.

Yet both still caucus with the democrats. A TRUE independent would not do so.

[Bandit]

Yet both still caucus with the democrats. A TRUE independent would not do so.

I understand that too and I agree. It will take generations to get the dirty oil seperated from the water, but if you really consider what they have to work with, they have to deal with them on some level, even the true independents do as well.

What is your particular persuasion? Any?

[OhioFiler]

I understand that too and I agree. It will take generations to get the dirty oil seperated from the water, but if you really consider what they have to work with, they have to deal with them on some level, even the true independents do as well.

What is your particular persuasion? Any?

I am not aligned with a particular party. I consider myself a conservative and neither the democratic party or republican party are conservative. I oppose the concept of an "Independent" party as well as I can't seem to grasp what it would be independent from. Most people who claim to be independents define themselves as moderates. To me a moderate is someone without conviction. Someone unable to choose an ideology that fits their morality.

[Bandit]

I am not aligned with a particular party. I consider myself a conservative and neither the democratic party or republican party are conservative. I oppose the concept of an "Independent" party as well as I can't seem to grasp what it would be independent from. Most people who claim to be independents define themselves as moderates. To me a moderate is someone without conviction. Someone unable to choose an ideology that fits their morality.

Lou Dobbs is my idea of an independent (not an independent party like you think) and that is what he claims. He has plenty of conviction and morals.

When I think of conservative, I think of fundamentalist as in the religious right -my way or you burn in hell.