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Q: What do you call 50 Senators and 250 Congressmen of the 111th Congress at the bottom of the ocean?
A: A good start.Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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Originally posted by PoorGrammyinBK7 View PostJust wondered - who in the world is "Rosen Bush"?
Did you read my original post? Obviously Laura Bush, as I mentioned her name at least four times. I have no idea why I typed Rosen at 4am in the morning after being up for 20 hours, I don't even know any "Rosen". Maybe I had Rosalynn Carter on my mind? Anything other than my brain farts you want to discuss?“When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis
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Originally posted by OhioFiler View PostIt might serve you well to know who is making such claims. I am a conservative and never have complained about Michelle Obama's servants.
The very fact you call the White House Staff assigned to the First Lady authorized by Congress in the 1970's, "servants" is revealing. You apparently have no idea what the Office of the First Lady's staff actually does.
You are so blinded by your rage toward anyone who is opposed to your Dear Leader and his "For once in my life, I am proud of my country" crony of a wife that you are forced to make ridiculous statements like the one above.
And your rage and hatred of the First Lady comes through loud and clear OF. Do you not realize how much constant hatred you spew on this board?
Michelle Obama is a political hack raised on the corrupt side of Chicago politics just like her husband with a blank page resume prior to being elevated to the position of POTUS. Michelle Obama has nothing in common with the common man (or woman). Her nonsensical attempts to portray herself as anything but a typical elitist is laughable.
Blank Page resume? What does that mean? Here's her brief "blank page resume" before becoming the First Lady:
Add mother of two children and First Lady - neither of which count to you OF do they? You hate mothers, or just accomplished intelligent mothers? You are something else OF. It really bothers you that both Obama's are accomplished and elite doesn't it? You really hate those elitists don't you? You would rather have Joe The Plumber running our country, with empty headed beauty queen religious fundie Sarah Palin at his side? Sorry, I want smart accomplished people representing my country, not uneducated dummies.“When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis
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Originally posted by OhioFiler View PostNot quite true that I'm unable to discuss anything with an open mind. I spent some time as a liberal and have come to appreciate the values of conservatism. I don't hold far right wing views (at least I don't think I do, perhaps you can define those for all of us).
I hold beliefs that are documented in the Constitution of our great country.
I have no desire nor need to consider liberal points of view. Most are too malleable to be given the time of day. Most require a tweaking of the Constitution to justify them. I did my research.
I have no rage. In fact, I usually laugh at liberal posts.
Most voter's views on either side of the spectrum, and even in the middle are "malleable" in the way that you meant the word.
My mind and views, as a liberal, are "malleable" in the way I have bolded above.
If you are going to insult liberals OF, then you should pick a word that does not have double meanings.
As for Michelle Obama, well she graduated from Princeton and Harvard law school, and was an associate dean at the University of Chicago and ran a large division of a hospital. I am not sure what in that resume is "blank".
Most first ladies have far less experience than she does. The only first lady in recent history that is more accomplished than Michelle Obama is Hillary Clinton, and I can only imagine what you would say about her.You can't take a picture of this. It's already gone. ~~Nate, Six Feet Under
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Originally posted by OhioFiler View PostObama is neutered on health care reform and that was to be his legacy. This talk of jobs bills is a renaming of the stimulus bills and he'll have a hard time getting it passed.
Obama was forced by public opinion to ramp up the Afghanistan offensive. He is rolling back "don't ask , don't tell" for the gays. He hired Janet Napolitano to assuage both women's groups and gays when she is clearly unqualified.
What social program has he cut? What roll-back of abortion rights has he almost allowed?
Obama is a Marxist.
Alito has been proven correct by all who have fact checked Obama's distortion of the SCOTUS ruling. Obama can not overturn a SCOTUS ruling.
I trust all is well in California. Be careful, that state is close to bankruptcy. I wouldn't want you to become trapped at the Hotel California.
As for Obama abandoning liberals, well he was ready to get rid of funding for abortions as part of the health care plan, and he has not supported any major gay or women's rights initiatives.
Obama is also willing to cut spending on social programs to reduce the deficit, even while he increases our commitment to the war in Afghanistan. As a liberal I cannot support either of these decisions of Obama's.
Putting a female figure-head in a powerless position to appease his voting base is patronizing and does not show a commitment to progressive causes, to women or to gay rights.
I actually agree with you OF that the Supreme Court has done nothing particularly wrong. They are not being a reformist court, but are sticking to the narrow letter of the law and that bothers many people, who prefer the Supreme court to reform and legislate with their decisions. I would prefer reformist decisions too, but I have to agree with you that the court was not wrong in their decision per se.You can't take a picture of this. It's already gone. ~~Nate, Six Feet Under
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Here is my issue with the Supreme Court ruling last week.
The Constitution addresses the rights of PEOPLE, not corporations. When the right to free speech is invoked, it is for CITIZENS, and NOT corporations.
The amount of money and the vast numbers of citizens involved in each corporation makes it virtually impossible, except in small or family held corps, to really speak as a unified voice for each and every shareholder or employee. So, the corporation is really using everyone's money to speak on behalf of the executive board, and I think we can all guess whose best interests THEY hold firmly in mind. It is not the 75 year old grandma from Topeka who isn't even aware that her pension fund is invested in that particular corporation.
Generally speaking, I believe the court should be free to interpret the laws without interference, but sometimes we all make mistakes. This is one such, in my mind. I hope Congress legislates effectively (fat chance) and closes this new opening for lobbyists and corporations, before it is widely abused.11-20-09-- Filed Chapter 7
12-23-09-- 341 Meeting-Early Christmas Gift?
3-9-10--Discharged
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Originally posted by LimpDisc View PostHarry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, John Murtha, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham for starters.
Glad to see Ted Kennedy & Christopher Dodd gone.
Happy?
How about naming some Republicans you'd like to see removed?Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick
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Originally posted by DeadManCrawling View PostHere is my issue with the Supreme Court ruling last week.
The Constitution addresses the rights of PEOPLE, not corporations. When the right to free speech is invoked, it is for CITIZENS, and NOT corporations.
The amount of money and the vast numbers of citizens involved in each corporation makes it virtually impossible, except in small or family held corps, to really speak as a unified voice for each and every shareholder or employee. So, the corporation is really using everyone's money to speak on behalf of the executive board, and I think we can all guess whose best interests THEY hold firmly in mind. It is not the 75 year old grandma from Topeka who isn't even aware that her pension fund is invested in that particular corporation.
Generally speaking, I believe the court should be free to interpret the laws without interference, but sometimes we all make mistakes. This is one such, in my mind. I hope Congress legislates effectively (fat chance) and closes this new opening for lobbyists and corporations, before it is widely abused.Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick
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Originally posted by backtoschool View Post3. Able to adjust to changing circumstances; adaptable: the malleable mind of the pragmatist.
Most voter's views on either side of the spectrum, and even in the middle are "malleable" in the way that you meant the word.
My mind and views, as a liberal, are "malleable" in the way I have bolded above.
If you are going to insult liberals OF, then you should pick a word that does not have double meanings.
As for Michelle Obama, well she graduated from Princeton and Harvard law school, and was an associate dean at the University of Chicago and ran a large division of a hospital. I am not sure what in that resume is "blank".
Most first ladies have far less experience than she does. The only first lady in recent history that is more accomplished than Michelle Obama is Hillary Clinton, and I can only imagine what you would say about her.
I meant Obama the Great had a blank resume. His wife has a salary increase of nearly $200K on her resume after her hubby was elected senator. Her resume is flattering.Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick
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Originally posted by OhioFiler View PostSenators McCain, Graham, Ensign and Voinovich (who is not running again) and those two bimbos in Maine.May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.
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Originally posted by DeadManCrawling View PostHere is my issue with the Supreme Court ruling last week.
The Constitution addresses the rights of PEOPLE, not corporations. When the right to free speech is invoked, it is for CITIZENS, and NOT corporations.
The amount of money and the vast numbers of citizens involved in each corporation makes it virtually impossible, except in small or family held corps, to really speak as a unified voice for each and every shareholder or employee. So, the corporation is really using everyone's money to speak on behalf of the executive board, and I think we can all guess whose best interests THEY hold firmly in mind. It is not the 75 year old grandma from Topeka who isn't even aware that her pension fund is invested in that particular corporation.
Generally speaking, I believe the court should be free to interpret the laws without interference, but sometimes we all make mistakes. This is one such, in my mind. I hope Congress legislates effectively (fat chance) and closes this new opening for lobbyists and corporations, before it is widely abused.May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.
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Originally posted by backtoschool View PostAll is going very well in California. I am actually writing this from my hotel-room as I wait for friends to meet me here.
As for Obama abandoning liberals, well he was ready to get rid of funding for abortions as part of the health care plan, and he has not supported any major gay or women's rights initiatives.
Obama is also willing to cut spending on social programs to reduce the deficit, even while he increases our commitment to the war in Afghanistan. As a liberal I cannot support either of these decisions of Obama's.
Putting a female figure-head in a powerless position to appease his voting base is patronizing and does not show a commitment to progressive causes, to women or to gay rights.
I actually agree with you OF that the Supreme Court has done nothing particularly wrong. They are not being a reformist court, but are sticking to the narrow letter of the law and that bothers many people, who prefer the Supreme court to reform and legislate with their decisions. I would prefer reformist decisions too, but I have to agree with you that the court was not wrong in their decision per se.
Obama doesn't know what a "cut" in spending even is.
I know you're just trying to tweak me with the comment about the SCOTUS being reformists. I'm not even going to discuss such silliness with you.Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick
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Originally posted by OhioFiler View PostAbortion is not a right enumerated in the Constitution.
Obama doesn't know what a "cut" in spending even is.
I know you're just trying to tweak me with the comment about the SCOTUS being reformists. I'm not even going to discuss such silliness with you.
From the Declaration of Indepence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Where does abortion fit into the unalienable right of Life?
Since Life is not actually enumerated in the Constitution then the 9th Amendment apply:
"Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Thus since Life is not an enumerated right in Article I Section 8 of the US Congress in the US Constitution it becomes a right of the 9th Amendment to the people. Thus abortion which robs life from an individual without due process is in fact unconstitutional. If only our activist judges would read it properly.
Of course James Wilson who signed both documents and was one of the first Associate Judges of the Supreme Court also wrote the original law manuals for teaching in universities. One of the first comments in that precedent is that you cannot have good civil law if it violates divine law.May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.
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Of course - and come on, you know this - the question here is whether an unborn fetus is considered "alive". That is the crux of the entire argument, and no, there is no obvious answer to this; it really does depend on one's point of view.
Thus your entire argument is based on a hidden assumption that is not necessarily one that would be adopted by the person you are arguing with. That makes the constitutional argument sort of pointless, dontcha think?
Originally posted by JRScott View PostI would agree, abortion is actually the antithesis of the founding documents.
From the Declaration of Indepence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Where does abortion fit into the unalienable right of Life?
Since Life is not actually enumerated in the Constitution then the 9th Amendment apply:
"Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Thus since Life is not an enumerated right in Article I Section 8 of the US Congress in the US Constitution it becomes a right of the 9th Amendment to the people. Thus abortion which robs life from an individual without due process is in fact unconstitutional. If only our activist judges would read it properly.
Of course James Wilson who signed both documents and was one of the first Associate Judges of the Supreme Court also wrote the original law manuals for teaching in universities. One of the first comments in that precedent is that you cannot have good civil law if it violates divine law.
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