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    The Post-Foreclosure Wait

    June 23, 2011

    Mortgage troubles won’t necessarily shut you out of the housing market forever.

    As the economy and real estate market continue to struggle, millions of Americans have lost their homes through foreclosure, short sale (when a property is sold for less than is owed) or a deed in lieu of foreclosure (when the bank takes ownership without foreclosure).

    Even if you think you never want to own a home again, clean credit is important. Bad credit can make it more expensive to rent. In some fields, especially financial services, it can make it difficult to find or keep a job.

    How quickly your credit score improves depends in part on how the problem is reported, said Sarah Davies, a senior vice president of VantageScore in Stamford, Conn., a credit-scoring company that competes with FICO, the dominant scoring system.

    In a short sale where the balance is forgiven and no deficiency is recorded in public records, recovery can be quick. “Simply paying all your debts on time could bring your score up to a reasonable range in nine months,” Ms. Davies said. “Reasonable” may not qualify you for a mortgage, but it will help in other situations.

    A foreclosure or bankruptcy can weigh you down for years. FICO has found that it takes three years for a borrower to pull a score back up to a fair-to-middling 680 after a foreclosure, according to Joanne Gaskin, a company director. A borrower who started out with a near-perfect 780 score would take about seven years to climb all the way back.

    But if someone has gone through foreclosure and still has a mountain of debt and not enough income, bankruptcy is worth considering, said Tracy Becker, the founder of North Shore Advisory, a credit-restoration company based in Tarrytown, N.Y. Sure, it will be another hard blow to your credit rating — but your credit most likely is already “wrecked,” at least for now, she said.

    Bankruptcy can wipe out some debt. “The choices you make for the future about your financial options should be based on how bad your credit is,” Ms. Becker said. With one 30-day-late payment, for instance, “don’t assume your credit is ruined forever,” she said. It’s easier to recover from that than it would be to pull back from a string of late payments.

    And what about a future mortgage? Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration set guidelines for how long a borrower must wait after a “significant derogatory event.”

    There are plenty of asterisks and conditions. But to generalize, the wait is longest after a foreclosure. Extenuating circumstances like a job loss, illness or divorce reduce the wait.

    With such circumstances, Fannie and Freddie specify a two-year wait after a short sale, deed in lieu, or discharge or dismissal of bankruptcy, and three years after foreclosure. Without extenuating circumstances, waits can extend to four years after bankruptcy and seven years after foreclosure.

    “The key is to avoid the foreclosure,” said Andrew Wilson, a spokesman for Fannie Mae. “That is what will help you be eligible for the shorter period.”

    As for F.H.A.-insured loans, they are available three years after a foreclosure, assuming perfect credit afterward, and two years after a bankruptcy is discharged. After a short sale, there’s a three-year wait if the borrower is in default at the time of the sale and there are no extenuating circumstances.

    If the borrower was on time with all payments for 12 months before the sale, there is no wait specified, meaning that an F.H.A. loan might be available immediately. Among the conditions: A loan isn’t available if the short sale was to “take advantage of declining market conditions,” according to the F.H.A. Home Loan Handbook for lenders.

    One caveat: All of this assumes you have income to pay off debts and stay afloat. It’s likely to be a long time before the mortgage market returns to an anyone-can-borrow-anything way of thinking.

    Filed/discharged/closed Chapter 7 in 2010!

    #2
    They desperately want us borrowing to buy the declining asset known as housing. So they relax the standards. How kind of them.
    filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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      #3
      Kinda what they did to get me in htis mess in the first place. Low down payment and they just let me have the house. Time for the old values to kick in again.

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        #4
        In looking at the real estate listings in my neighborhood, I see a house comparable to mine listed for 20k less than 2003 prices and think "gee, I hope he gets it".
        filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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          #5
          Originally posted by catleg View Post
          They desperately want us borrowing to buy the declining asset known as housing. So they relax the standards. How kind of them.
          Right on! Remember when a house was considered an asset that would grow into great value? My parents first house in 1947 cost 4K. in 1957 it sold for 16K. The market value in 1967 (my best friend purchased a similar one on the same block) was 25K, and in today's market you can't give them away.

          Barney Frank, you suck. That jerk formed this scheme, then he stated he was in power to fix it and blamed everyone else such as the Banks that HE instigated to sell with zero down. Sounds like a common thing to do in our current Government. Blame all others. Point the finger but four point back. 'Hub
          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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            #6
            Hub, it wasn't really Frank - he wasn't in "power" remember - but from 2006-2010....this is a symptom of the fact that our wages had stagnated from the early 80's onward, and this housing bubble was a means of creating phantom "wealth" to make people "forget" that prices are up but wages are not.

            Ravi Batra, a brilliant economist at SMU, writes about this often. Look at the book to the right of the picture on teh right...!

            http://www.ravibatra.com/


            Thing is Hub, we - regular working people - are screwed. Period.

            Originally posted by AngelinaCatHub View Post
            Right on! Remember when a house was considered an asset that would grow into great value? My parents first house in 1947 cost 4K. in 1957 it sold for 16K. The market value in 1967 (my best friend purchased a similar one on the same block) was 25K, and in today's market you can't give them away.

            Barney Frank, you suck. That jerk formed this scheme, then he stated he was in power to fix it and blamed everyone else such as the Banks that HE instigated to sell with zero down. Sounds like a common thing to do in our current Government. Blame all others. Point the finger but four point back. 'Hub

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              #7
              The bankers, aided by the end of Glass-Steagall and relaxation of banking regulations. forgot that when you kill the goose that laid the golden eggs, you no longer get new golden eggs. What happened to the housing market is a symptom of the killing of the goose, the small businesses of this country that fuel all consumer activity by providing employment and job training.

              In 2006-2007 the handwriting was on the wall or TARP would not have been voted in. Bank execs, their boards, were trying to figure out what to do and focusing on the real estate markets where they had approved loans that exceeded their ability to fund. Both Congress and the Fed recognized this. Instead of taking a hard look at those loans, the loans that funded small businesses and created work, they took the easy way out, simply telling their people to get them out of all real estate and construction loans ASAP in any way possible. (See the much-redacted board minutes of National City Bank as published in the Cleveland Plain Dealer during that period).

              US Treasury Sec. Tim Geithner and Ben Bernanke took the easy way out, too, handing out taxpayer funds under TARP to the banks without restrictions on how it was to be used, assuming that, as Bernanke put it, we "trusted...that self-interest would lead banks to do the right thing..." Instead, the banks' self-interest led them to pocket the money, to invest in global markets that did not have immediate effect on the problems, and/or to sit on the money in capital accounts and wait.

              Does no one wonder what might have happened had US Treasury Secretary Geithner used the $700 billion in TARP funds as it was intended when Congress voted it in and Pres. Bush signed it? One simple rule could have made the difference everyone sought: TARP funds were to be used to shore up EXISTING loans and see that they were funded. No NEW loans would be underwritten until the banks had met their existing obligations. Instead, Geithner's instructions were just the opposite.

              Home mortgages and the massive number of foreclosures, along with unemployment figures, are merely the result of these failed policies and the ignorance exhibited by Geithner, Bernanke, et al of the interconnectedness along the economic circle. Intended and unintended consequences are important. They were ignored.

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                #8
                Originally posted by catleg View Post
                They desperately want us borrowing to buy the declining asset known as housing. So they relax the standards. How kind of them.
                Now buying a house is kind of like buying a car. It's gonna depreciate, but eventually you'll have it paid completely off.
                Filed Chapter 7 July 2010
                Attended 341 September 2010
                Discharged November 2010 Closed November 2010

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by catleg View Post
                  They desperately want us borrowing to buy the declining asset known as housing. So they relax the standards. How kind of them.
                  It goes further then that I think. Our economy is basically credit driven. If the subprime housing market didn't boom during the early 2000's, the housing market would have been just fine right now and would have still been increasing at a "normal" 3-5%" rate. Credit per say didn't create this mess, subprime credit did which spilled over into the prime market.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Goteki45 View Post
                    It goes further then that I think. Our economy is basically credit driven. If the subprime housing market didn't boom during the early 2000's, the housing market would have been just fine right now and would have still been increasing at a "normal" 3-5%" rate. Credit per say didn't create this mess, subprime credit did which spilled over into the prime market.
                    Exactly. It was "elmer fudd" greenspan's solution to pumping too much liquidity into the markets in fear of Y2K which bubbled over into the nasdaq and when that bubble blew up the recovery plan was to shift the bubble into housing. Now I don't know what the plan is! Kick the can I guess. UBGIBG (trader shorthand for you'll be gone, i'll be gone).
                    filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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