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    Barney Frank: U.S. government default likely

    Friday, May 20, 2011


    U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Newton) says America might have to default on its bills for the first time ever because Democrats and Republicans can’t agree to raise the government’s $14.3 trillion debt ceiling.

    “I’m pessimistic about anything reasonable (winning congressional approval) in the near term,” Frank, the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, told the New England Council in a Boston speech today. “It may be that we’re going to have to see some failure to raise the debt limit and some temporary hiatus in our ability to pay our bills (for lawmakers to act).”

    The U.S. government officially hit its congressionally mandated debt ceiling on Monday when the nation’s red ink reached $14.3 trillion.

    Uncle Sam only avoided defaulting on his debts because U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner used accounting tricks to keep the government solvent until Aug. 2.

    But unless Congress raises the debt ceiling by then, the government will run out of money to pay its bills — including principal and interest on Treasury bonds, which investors have long considered risk-free.

    Geithner and others have warned that markets the world over could melt down if America skips payments on its bonds.

    But Frank believes that’s exactly what it might take to break the congressional gridlock, which he blames on Tea Party-backed Republicans holding out for government spending cuts.

    “It may be that until (a meltdown) happens, we don’t get anywhere,” the Democrat said.

    U.S. Rep. Spencer Bauchus, the House financial committee’s GOP chair, did not immediately return a call seeking comment on Frank’s remarks.


    The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

    #2
    "Uncle Sam only avoided defaulting on his debts because U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner used accounting tricks to keep the government solvent until Aug. 2."


    For those that work for the Government and don't know, the "accounting tricks" they are referring to is Geithner raiding YOUR pension!
    The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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      #3
      Originally posted by banca rotta View Post
      U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Newton) says America might have to default on its bills for the first time ever because Democrats and Republicans can’t agree to raise the government’s $14.3 trillion debt ceiling.
      Barney Frank should know. He's the one who started us down this path by pushing mortgage lenders to approve borrowers who were unqualified to borrow.
      Filed Chapter 7 July 2010
      Attended 341 September 2010
      Discharged November 2010 Closed November 2010

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        #4
        Barney Frank is one of the few people that just make me want to throw up in my own mouth...........
        All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
        Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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          #5
          I think all of them are making me throw up.

          There is no easy answer to this and no one anywhere is taking it seriously.

          A default is inevitable whether it being August 2 2011 or some other time, but it's going to happen.

          To show some here on the left that I am not a "right winger" I heard people like Rush Limbaugh and some tea party folks hope for no increase in the debt ceiling.

          Well if this happens I want you to think about the US Federal budget which is spending 3.5 trillion but only taking in around 2 trillion.

          If they don't raise the debt ceiling then we will only be able to spend 2 trillion. This means we will officially stiff our creditors. Our bonds that are rated "AAA" will be junk status and all those banks, insurance companies, foreign investors will lose all of their holdings not to mention speed up the cutting of jobs. The markets and dollar will collapse as well.

          Once your direct deposit from whatever source of income you have goes into your bank account you and I will probably be limited as to how much you can withdraw and that will cause a panic.

          If Barney Frank is correct then August 2nd will be a date which will live in infamy.

          Rather then these trillion dollar one shot increases they should just raise it month to month and keep negotiating massive budget cuts starting with all of the wars and entitlements. An outright default is suicide.
          The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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            #6
            BTW the 2 trillion budget is assuming the unemployment levels hold up at their present level.

            If we shed more jobs and can't borrow money then that number will go into a death spiral since their will be less tax revenues and more people collecting some form of govt aid.

            Yes this is a bad situation and it isn't getting enough attention. It will once it's too late.
            The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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              #7
              Sure he did..Mortgage lenders were greedy due to the commissions.

              Originally posted by keepinitreal View Post
              Barney Frank should know. He's the one who started us down this path by pushing mortgage lenders to approve borrowers who were unqualified to borrow.

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                #8
                Originally posted by banca rotta View Post
                BTW the 2 trillion budget is assuming the unemployment levels hold up at their present level.

                If we shed more jobs and can't borrow money then that number will go into a death spiral since their will be less tax revenues and more people collecting some form of govt aid.

                Yes this is a bad situation and it isn't getting enough attention. It will once it's too late.
                Maybe a death spiral wouldn't be such a bad thing. With a total economic collapse all of those employed people who look down on the unemployed would join us. We wouldn't be serving food from the bread lines though. The menu would consist of crow and humble pie.

                First they came for the communists
                and I did not speak out.........

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                  #9
                  I thought this article was pretty good: Debtors and Savers

                  It makes the point that we cycle between hard money systems (gold backed) and easy money (fiat) and the current easy money system is coming to an end.
                  filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by catleg View Post
                    I thought this article was pretty good: Debtors and Savers

                    It makes the point that we cycle between hard money systems (gold backed) and easy money (fiat) and the current easy money system is coming to an end.

                    I'm not a gold bug however I did notice that ALL civilizations throughout recorded history have started out with real money (gold & silver), they built a strong middle class and then ended with loads of debt, a weak currency backed by nothing and long, expensive wars with armies spread out all over the world.

                    My big question is why is today any different then any of those other time?
                    The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jacko View Post
                      Sure he did..Mortgage lenders were greedy due to the commissions.
                      Right Frank is not the one to blame - let's not forget who the banksters are!

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                        #12
                        Barney Frank has admitted helping former lover get into Fannie (no pun intended).
                        Filed Chapter 7 July 2010
                        Attended 341 September 2010
                        Discharged November 2010 Closed November 2010

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                          #13
                          Barney Frank was a Friend of Angelo (as was everyone else in Congress)...nuff said.
                          filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by keepinitreal View Post
                            Barney Frank has admitted helping former lover get into Fannie (no pun intended).
                            LOL, how queer is that idea for self and spouse to be in the position to call shots that would benefit both? (also no pun intended).

                            We are now into our 2 1/2 years without the budget of two and 1/2 years approved, for that year no less for our current year. Our Ruler, has ignored Constitutional law and is getting away with it. His only talent is Public speaking and good eyes reading a machine. He is not ignorant of what is going on. He is an orchestrator. His ego equates to a sickness, as he feels his fine words, he can heal all things, and brilliant unless his machine is not near. His plan for change is working and we truly are changing, while hope is decreasing. Rome lasted roughly around the same time frame as the USA has been around. They perished due to "bread and circuses". That statement means Rome became lazy, had slaves to do real work, became what is called decedent. It too became a welfare state and the economy hit the sewers. The leader of Israel snipped Obama's testosterone nodes as that man is a REAL leader. He sees through the path of the intended future as his fellow Israelites have seen this before in the late 30's.

                            One of Histories infamous despots came into power due to hyperinflation and money manipulations.

                            Those who cannot see what is going on, are blinded by a closed mind. 'There is no one who is blinder than one who will not see'.

                            This BTW is my opinion on a forum thread that is made for personal opinion. I reserve my right to my opinion, and respect opinion that I do not agree with. I am neither Republican, or Democrat. I am a registered Democrat due to local voting biases in my county. I am a Constitutionalist more near being a Libertarian, yet not in agreement with them either. This disclaimer is here due to individuals who have not always respected others not in agreement with them.
                            More to come. 'Hub
                            If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                              #15
                              Barney Frank would also make my priority list for the hanging tree along with the vast majority of the Congress and Senate...

                              He was one of the very people who had created the housing mess in the first place...so he should honestly just shut up, but he can't...or more likely, he refuses to...

                              I was always extremely impressed by the sense of self-importance that most of these folks have...

                              Good luck to us all - we'll need plenty of it with lowlifes like Barney Frank in charge...
                              No person in their right mind files a Ch. 13 with lien strip pro se. I have.Therefore, please consider me insane and clinically certifiable when reading my posts, and DO NOT take them as legal advice of any kind.Thank you.

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