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    Pressuring lenders to modify mortgages in bankrupcy cases

    February 1, 2011

    Forcing lenders to work out settlements with homeowners in bankruptcy is the subject of a bill that Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D., R.I.) introduced last week. Today there were hearings on the bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    The ideas under the proposed law, which would permit homeowners to modify their mortgages through bankruptcy proceedings, have been tossed around before and at times have been quite controversial.

    Mortgage Cram-Down in Bankruptcy is the Bill’s Objective, But In a Voluntary Manner

    Previous bills would have given debtors the ability to cram-down first mortgages in bankruptcy cases. However, these bills never made it into law.

    Currently, mortgage cram-down in a bankruptcy can only be done with second mortgages.

    Cramming down a mortgage in bankruptcy is not the essence of Senator Whitehouse’s bill; getting the lender to voluntarily agree to it, however, is.

    The current bill would give bankruptcy judges the power to require foreclosure mediation between banks and homeowners.

    The bill creates a mechanism for judges to supervise talks between homeowners and their lenders. This could address the problem where a homeowner makes a reasonable settlement proposal to the mortgage lender, but the lender or its servicer rejects it — a rather common occurrence.

    The Proposed Bill Permitting Bankruptcy Modification Would Help Cut Through the Bureaucratic Red Tape

    One of the biggest obstacles in seeking a mortgage modification is the difficulty in getting though to individuals at the lender who have the authority to negotiate terms. Take it from me, this can be a fruitless exercise in frustration.

    The proposed bankruptcy modification bill would require that an individual with full settlement authority for the bank must show up for the mediation proceeding. In addition, the bill requires the lender to be open to good-faith negotiations.

    Senator Whitehouse believes that court-ordered talks could pressure mortgage servicers to modify mortgages that they wouldn’t otherwise agree to modify.

    During the hearings, Senator Whitehouse also criticized the HAMP program which has not succeeded as intended — Something I’ve written about extensively. See Problems with HAMP — Too Many to Count?

    Legislative Action is Needed to Curb the Number of Foreclosures

    This is now more important than ever as foreclosures are expected to climb to 12 million by the end of 2012 and Long Island will certainly have its fair share of that number..

    I’ve also written extensively before about the frustrations in persuading lenders to modify a mortgage. See Why I Won’t Negotiate Loan Modifications and Loan Modification Industry is a “Sham” Says Attorney General Cuomo !

    New York Bankruptcy Judge Drain Testifies at Hearing

    The New York Bankruptcy Courts in the Southern District have a pilot loss-mitigation program that enables debtors to confer with their mortgagees.

    Judge Robert Drain, sitting in the Southern District of New York, testified that half of the mediations that take place in his court end in an agreement which is often a modification. He said that the other half at least give the homeowner a clear understanding for why they are losing their home.

    Judge Drain said that such programs are vital to sorting out the foreclosure issue.

    Seeking Mortgage Modification in Long Island Bankruptcy Cases

    There is currently an underutilized loss-mitigation pilot program here in the Eastern District of New York that has been in existence for just over a year.

    I will discuss this program in a future blog post.

    Last edited by AngelinaCat; 02-03-2011, 09:39 PM.
    Chap 7 Report of No Distribution 12/2/2010. I'm in the 60 day club : )

    #2
    Another opportunistic politician trying to mess things up.

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      #3
      I tried twice to modify after my divorce and employment/income problems. Initially I was verbally approved only to make good faith payments never to receive documentation, then to be told I needed to start over again because of a program change, only to be told again I was rejected because I didn't return paperwork in a timely manner after 5 months of going back and forth only to have them call me on a Sat afternoon and told me they needed my ex-wife's pay stubs and tax return w/in 48 hours. She was out of town until Tuesday, I submitted it Tuesday and they said 'too late" and nullified the process. Had enough, got a lawyer and filed 7, now a 13 and surrendering the house. They didn't work with me when they had the chance so screw 'em. Oddly, they just sent me a notice for another attempt at a mediation hearing...lol!

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        #4
        As far as this statement goes “Another opportunistic politician trying to mess things up." You can see my other post about what is going on with our House Bankruptcy and Foreclosure in. I have called BOA several times; we have not lived in the house for a year. Contacted them again several times last week, each person giving me a different answer and transferring me. In the end saying that they would be forwarding file to the right department each time. I even sent a email to the person that everyone seems to be getting quick response from and I have heard nothing. I have emailed Attorney General in the previous state I lived in. I sent a message to previous States Senator thru his website which told me that he does not reply to people out of state automatically when I hit the submit button. So I Senator I have in the new State we live in last week. Their office replied to me and stated they need me to sign a release form and they will contact a agency on my behalf. I must say I’m feeling very hopeful with this response. And as soon as my husband gets home I’m going to have him sign the form and get it off to them. I don’t care who it takes! I tried to find a link to contact the President of the United States last week but was unsuccessful in finding one. I would send a letter to the Pope if I thought it would help. Something needs to be done to cut the red tape the banks could care less about what a person is going thru they are looking at their bottom line. Which a business is suppose to do, I understand. But at some point there has to be common sense used. I haven’t live in the home for a year. There is no law to make them take a deed back they can leave it in my name forever???? I’m responsible for the home but yet I don’t own the home. But when they decide it is a benefit to them they can take it back at any time. Sound to me like they are just strong arming people because they know that most people do not want to leave there homes so they are trying to squeeze them for everything they can. Why is it that a person who has abandoned the home can’t give it back they drag their feet to take it? Hmmm. Something is not right about that.

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          #5
          Originally posted by 1ginger View Post
          As far as this statement goes “Another opportunistic politician trying to mess things up." You can see my other post about what is going on with our House Bankruptcy and Foreclosure in. I have called BOA several times; we have not lived in the house for a year. Contacted them again several times last week, each person giving me a different answer and transferring me. In the end saying that they would be forwarding file to the right department each time. I even sent a email to the person that everyone seems to be getting quick response from and I have heard nothing. I have emailed Attorney General in the previous state I lived in. I sent a message to previous States Senator thru his website which told me that he does not reply to people out of state automatically when I hit the submit button. So I Senator I have in the new State we live in last week. Their office replied to me and stated they need me to sign a release form and they will contact a agency on my behalf. I must say I’m feeling very hopeful with this response. And as soon as my husband gets home I’m going to have him sign the form and get it off to them. I don’t care who it takes! I tried to find a link to contact the President of the United States last week but was unsuccessful in finding one. I would send a letter to the Pope if I thought it would help. Something needs to be done to cut the red tape the banks could care less about what a person is going thru they are looking at their bottom line. Which a business is suppose to do, I understand. But at some point there has to be common sense used. I haven’t live in the home for a year. There is no law to make them take a deed back they can leave it in my name forever???? I’m responsible for the home but yet I don’t own the home. But when they decide it is a benefit to them they can take it back at any time. Sound to me like they are just strong arming people because they know that most people do not want to leave there homes so they are trying to squeeze them for everything they can. Why is it that a person who has abandoned the home can’t give it back they drag their feet to take it? Hmmm. Something is not right about that.

          Did you file for BK? If so, did you surrender the home?

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            #6
            Answer to your question AKA... Yes we filled Chapter 7 with the house included. Discharged 9-09. Funny thing is when I called BOA last week to find out what was going on. They pulled up said something about a loan modification in Feb and March. I said we would of never asked for one we knew we were moving out of the state. They said O. Well it just says you were denied for one. So what diffrence would that make for them to tell me that now? We were denied so it would not have changed anything. What the heck are they talking about we never asked for one. I do recall that one of the months they sent us a huge packet I had to sign for. The documents were to assume mortgage, pay back all was owed etc. I just threw it away. It was nothing we were interested in and wondered why they sent it to us when we put the house in our Chap 7. I thought because we didnt hear anything from them that everything was settled when I told them we left the home last year. Guess I was really wrong. The only reason I found out was because my husband and I were checking into the process of getting a new home loan. And one of the popular mortgage guys from My FICO forums started to do some research for us. Found out we are still on the title! I knew nothing that we had to keep our eye out for that. I assumed everything was done. I have no idea what state the house is in BOA has not even came to secure the house. Which they told me they were going to do last year. Talking on the phone last week they said nothing had been done. I have never done this before I was going by what my attorney said. I called and mailed a letter to tell them I left.

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              #7
              From my understanding, for what that's worth, you can't buy a house until 3 years after a transfer of title from the old house. It doesn't make sense but wouldn't that mean if it never sells you can never buy another house? I'd get w/ your attorney on this one.

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                #8
                AKA.... You are correct! We cannot buy a home until 3 years after deed is transferred. There is nothing that I or my Attorney can do. I have talked to him. There are no laws that state a Bank ever has to take the deed. So there is nothing we can do to force them to do so. We are not the only ones in this situation. I have seen several post of other people going thru the same thing. That is why Im trying to contact Attorney General, Congress, whoever I can. Its just not right. On the other side of things... if we cannot qualify or other people. What is that going to do to the housing market down the road. Everything will be bought by people renting homes out. My husband transferred makes good money and what seems to be a stable job now. We pay double the amount we could buy the house for. It was on the market before we moved here. But that makes no diffrence. I was told by a Attorney that there is no law that the banks have to wait 3 years after the deed is transferred. What the heck! If its a banking standard, what diffrence does it make that its not law they wait. They have the money. They are all deciding not to lend until 3 years after transfer of deed. Its just a visious circle! Nobody cares expept the person going thru this or other people that have experienced this.

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                  #9
                  I just thought of something! I wonder if its because we did not have PMI on our home loan. We put 20% down so we didnt have it. Why would the banks want to hurry and close on it? They will not be able to collect from PMI insurance like in most cases. Im sure the homes that have PMI they want to close quickly so they can get their money. Hmm any one else have thought on this?

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                    #10
                    1ginger...I guess if the bank never takes the deed couldn't you live there w/out paying until they do? I understand you have moves out of state now. Just makes me wonder if I really want to move until I know they take the deed.

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                      #11
                      I suggest you Read a lot of the forums posts. I just started last week on this site. I also have done a lot of reading on FICO forums in the last few months. It’s a real eye opener. I see no benefit as of now in leaving before they kick you out. Unless you are moving away and have to. Its affects your scores no differently if you leave early or not. Also from what I have read a foreclosure, deed in lieu, or short sale they all affect your credit score the same. But if new mortgage company is going to go by when the deed was transferred what difference will it make on how it is reported. By the time 3 years go by you can have your score built back up. My husband’s score is above the lowest qualifying score and we are not even 2 years after bankruptcy. But I’m no professional so do your research. Ask your Attorney and anyone else questions. We started this whole thing by talking to our tax guy in 09. He’s the one that told us to dump our house. He said back then that we have not seen the bottom yet. That all they are trying to do is slow down the down spiral effect. So people don’t panic. That everything will have to level off to be more affordable to people’s income. That the good days of going and working in a factory making 28.00 a hour is over. He’s a very wise and wealthy man. I’ve been staying up a lot of late nights trying to find out any information that I can to help our situation. Since we are now off topic of this post maybe we should start a new post somewhere more appropriate if you like. Just let me know.

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                        #12
                        1ginger,

                        I have read and learned a lot here. It was your post that made me wonder if I should just leave or stay until I have some notice. Question is, how much notice will I be given? Something about not paying my mtg but paying $800 mo. elsewhere while filing my 13 makes me nervous in front of the eyed of the trustee.

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                          #13
                          Every State has their own laws. In Michigan they post a notice on your door and have to publish in the newspaper for 4 weeks (I think) that it is being sold at Sheriff sale. Then after sale there is a redemption period that the bank has to wait until they can take it at least a couple of months that I can remeber. I have no idea in your State. Also the fact that its a 13 it may be diffrent. I would consult with your attorney he will know the anwers to those questions. Plus he/she will have a idea of how long things have been taking for other clients. Good Luck!

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                            #14
                            I was successful getting my loan mod to go through, then I got another 6 month extension, whereby they raised the price by $500 a month. At the end of that 2nd loan mod, they proposed another 6 month extension, whereby they again raised the price by $500 (which would put the price a little higher than my original amount). So on the last month I had to default and file chapter 7.

                            After the 7 expired, they set an auction date with very little warning. I just filed a 13 in hopes of getting a loan mod to go through keeping me in the house for a while longer until I can find a job and rent a new place. I am fine with making payments under a loan mod program, for a short period of time or until my job situation gets better.

                            The mortgage company just called me from their Indian call center asking if I was interested in doing a loan mod (as I did bring this up after my 7 was discharged and they did send me a loan mod packet).

                            So I will be filling this out and sending it to them soon. I am curious if I have a chance or not after going through all this bk mess.

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