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    Lenders starting to go after "Walk Away" people

    March 8, 2010

    It's a variation of "you can run, but you can't hide," in the case of underwater homeowners (those whose homes are now worth less than the remaining mortgage). In increasing numbers, according to reports, people are simply walking away from their homes. Now banks and other lending institutions are starting to run after them.

    According to the Detroit Free Press, more and more lenders are either hiring collection agencies or "getting deficiency judgments -- court orders that allow banks to collect on mortgage balances."

    And that is bad news for the walkaway ex-homeowner. Such a court order would allow the bank to do everything from garnishing wages to grabbing any tax refund he might be expecting.

    It gets worse, too.

    If you walk away from your home, you are still responsible for taxes on it. At the moment, many banks are actually paying off that bill because they want to head off a tax foreclosure situation. But once they catch their breath, guess who the lenders will go after to recoup those payments made on your behalf?

    Yep. You.

    Florida real estate attorney Larry Tolchinsky tells CNN.com: "Banks are pulling credit reports to see if it's a strategic default. If you're behind on all your other payments, you're okay. But if you're not, they'll come after you."

    As one Web site that helps provide homeowners with foreclosure news points out, the extent that a lender can go after you when you walk away from your home depends, to some degree, on the laws of the state you reside in. So it is important you check this out if you are giving serious thought to walking away from your underwater property. Complicating matters, the site also points out, is whether you have a second mortgage on the property. You need to take all that into your calculations when it comes to any future liability.


    None of this, of course, deals with the larger ethical question: Whether, under any circumstances, it is okay to walk away from a property you still owe money to lenders on? That debate has been intensifying in recent months as more distressed homeowners are taking that option.

    But if you have settled this ethical issue in your own mind and with your family, and have decided to go ahead and toss those keys back to the bank, you really do need to be keenly aware that the banks are apparently starting to fight back and your money concerns may not come to an end just because you closed that door and walked away.

    Charles Feldman is a journalist, media consultant and co-author of the book, "No Time To Think-The Menace of Media Speed and the 24-hour News Cycle." He has written about real estate related issues for several years.

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    #2
    Excellent article. I brought it forward to comment further on it.



    Lenders starting to run after 'walkaway' homeowners
    Charles FeldmanCharles Feldman RSS Feed
    Mar 8th 2010 at 3:00PM
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    Filed under: Banks, Home, Real Estate, Recession, Mortgages
    Banks chasing walkaway defaultersIt's a variation of "you can run, but you can't hide," in the case of underwater homeowners (those whose homes are now worth less than the remaining mortgage). In increasing numbers, according to reports, people are simply walking away from their homes. Now banks and other lending institutions are starting to run after them.

    According to the Detroit Free Press, more and more lenders are either hiring collection agencies or "getting deficiency judgments -- court orders that allow banks to collect on mortgage balances."

    And that is bad news for the walkaway ex-homeowner. Such a court order would allow the bank to do everything from garnishing wages to grabbing any tax refund he might be expecting.

    It gets worse, too.

    If you walk away from your home, you are still responsible for taxes on it. At the moment, many banks are actually paying off that bill because they want to head off a tax foreclosure situation. But once they catch their breath, guess who the lenders will go after to recoup those payments made on your behalf?

    Yep. You.

    Florida real estate attorney Larry Tolchinsky tells CNN.com: "Banks are pulling credit reports to see if it's a strategic default. If you're behind on all your other payments, you're okay. But if you're not, they'll come after you." So if you are somewhat solvent your so called credit rating works against you. I pay no attention to my credit anymore.

    As one Web site that helps provide homeowners with foreclosure news points out, the extent that a lender can go after you when you walk away from your home depends, to some degree, on the laws of the state you reside in. So it is important you check this out if you are giving serious thought to walking away from your underwater property. Complicating matters, the site also points out, is whether you have a second mortgage on the property. You need to take all that into your calculations when it comes to any future liability.

    None of this, of course, deals with the larger ethical question: Whether, under any circumstances, it is okay to walk away from a property you still owe money to lenders on? That debate has been intensifying in recent months as more distressed homeowners are taking that option.

    But if you have settled this ethical issue in your own mind and with your family, and have decided to go ahead and toss those keys back to the bank, you really do need to be keenly aware that the banks are apparently starting to fight back and your money concerns may not come to an end just because you closed that door and walked away. It makes more sense to go bk and stop paying it all than to walk away from your major bill. This will snowball into many more CC going under and mortgages not being given or revamped.

    Charles Feldman is a journalist, media consultant and co-author of the book, "No Time To Think-The Menace of Media Speed and the 24-hour News Cycle." He has written about real estate related issues for several years
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    I see in this article that once the banks settle down, they will reevaluate the bad debts and attack. 'Hub
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      #3
      Good luck with that in the non-recourse states!
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        #4
        This is why it makes sense to seal the deal with BK. Your credit is toast anyhow after a foreclosure you might as well get rid of other debt too.
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          #5
          Originally posted by logansdad View Post
          This is why it makes sense to seal the deal with BK. Your credit is toast anyhow after a foreclosure you might as well get rid of other debt too.
          Yup, that's why I filed last year; when my HELOC lender on the second property wasn't willing to do a short sale (where they would have recouped 40% of the outstanding balance on a HELOC no less!), it was foreclosure for sure, so why the heck not just Ch7. Happy I did it.

          And this whole article is full of FUD. Good luck going after homeowners in, say, California.

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            #6
            Originally posted by logansdad View Post
            This is why it makes sense to seal the deal with BK. Your credit is toast anyhow after a foreclosure you might as well get rid of other debt too.
            very well stated.
            its so simple, and many people miss it because they think "I can't file for bankruptcy" mindset, a dumb mindset of course.

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              #7
              Strategic default wrapped in a pretty BK bow was my end game (the path of least resistance). I simply didn't want to ride out the SOL on a potential DJ. Plus, I can purchase another house more quickly with a BK rather than a strict foreclosure.
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                #8
                Originally posted by HakunaMatata View Post
                Strategic default wrapped in a pretty BK bow was my end game (the path of least resistance). I simply didn't want to ride out the SOL on a potential DJ. Plus, I can purchase another house more quickly with a BK rather than a strict foreclosure.
                What folks who include their house in their BK filing somehow don't realize is that while the mortgage(s) may show being included in BK on their credit reports, it shows as a foreclosure on public records and with the mortgage company(ies). So when folks go to try to get another house, guess what shows up when the former mortgage company is contacted by any new prospective lender...so one really does have a BK and a foreclosure to deal with when trying to purchase a new house. Unfortunately, it all doesn't go away that easily as many find out...
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                  What folks who include their house in their BK filing somehow don't realize is that while the mortgage(s) may show being included in BK on their credit reports, it shows as a foreclosure on public records and with the mortgage company(ies). So when folks go to try to get another house, guess what shows up when the former mortgage company is contacted by any new prospective lender...so one really does have a BK and a foreclosure to deal with when trying to purchase a new house. Unfortunately, it all doesn't go away that easily as many find out...
                  I just don't think in the years to come, with all those homes in their inventories, banks are going to be able to discard potential borrowers with good incomes and good credit scores, esp. if they saved up a nice deposit while living rent free for 2 years.

                  I found that the BK barely affected my credit score as I have paid off so many previous cars, homes, CCs over the years.

                  If someone has 40- 50% to put down in a year or two, with a decent credit score, I think they could get a loan with reasonable terms regardless of BK/ foreclosure. Someone out there will start a company specializing in these loans if traditional banks don't. Guess we'll see...

                  If not, renting isn't the end of the world.
                  JMO
                  All posts are opinion only- I am not an attorney.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sofarsogood2 View Post
                    I just don't think in the years to come, with all those homes in their inventories, banks are going to be able to discard potential borrowers with good incomes and good credit scores, esp. if they saved up a nice deposit while living rent free for 2 years.

                    I found that the BK barely affected my credit score as I have paid off so many previous cars, homes, CCs over the years.

                    If someone has 40- 50% to put down in a year or two, with a decent credit score, I think they could get a loan with reasonable terms regardless of BK/ foreclosure. Someone out there will start a company specializing in these loans if traditional banks don't. Guess we'll see...

                    If not, renting isn't the end of the world.
                    JMO
                    If they have 30% NOW, they can get a no-doc loan. 35% with some banks. If the deposit is large enough, the lender really does not care, because they can always recover the balance through a foreclosure. That's why, for example, subprime lending is not inherently bad; it's lending subprime using prime guidelines (or even looser) that is the problem.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by sofarsogood2 View Post
                      I just don't think in the years to come, with all those homes in their inventories, banks are going to be able to discard potential borrowers with good incomes and good credit scores, esp. if they saved up a nice deposit while living rent free for 2 years.

                      I found that the BK barely affected my credit score as I have paid off so many previous cars, homes, CCs over the years.

                      If someone has 40- 50% to put down in a year or two, with a decent credit score, I think they could get a loan with reasonable terms regardless of BK/ foreclosure. Someone out there will start a company specializing in these loans if traditional banks don't. Guess we'll see...

                      If not, renting isn't the end of the world.
                      JMO

                      Exactly. Either that, or the banks can go out of business.

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