Lone senator blocks unemployment benefit extensions

[Logan]

This is the article that poster Tigergem is referring to in the post in 'General Talk'.

Please read the article carefully. the Senator is NOT against Unemployment Compensation; he simply wants the program PAID for, NOT added to the National Debt that our children and their children will be paying for.

What pisses me off about this crap is they voted to go to war with Iraq without knowing how we are going to pay for it.....

[OhioFiler]

Where do you get info like that OhioFiler? "Compassionate conservatism" is a nice sounding catchy slogan, but there is no reason to believe that when the religious organizations of the religious right are moved from the equation, that conservatives give any more than liberals.

Of course since conservatives believe in only private help, it makes sense that they should give more to make up for the government aid they are voting against.

Fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe the private sector is the best mechanism to aid those in need while liberals see the government as the best route.

I have yet to hear of a successful government run charity or assistance program that worked efficiently or solved a problem.

[OhioFiler]

What pisses me off about this crap is they voted to go to war with Iraq without knowing how we are going to pay for it.....

Wars are a unique case but I agree the funding of the war should have been better financed. I would have gladly supported the closing of the Departments of Labor, Housing, Health and Human Services, Transportation, Energy and Education to fund that noble cause.

[backtoschool]

Wars are a unique case but I agree the funding of the war should have been better financed. I would have gladly supported the closing of the Departments of Labor, Housing, Health and Human Services, Transportation, Energy and Education to fund that noble cause.

This statement does not even begin to make sense OhioFiler. You would take away FHA mortgages, Student financial aid, aid to public schools, road assistance and public transit assistance, wic, welfare, medicaid and medicare to fund our wars? I agree we will need a powerful military as there is rioting in the streets and we become a military state if your plan goes through.

We are in the wars we are in for two reasons: to protect our access to oil and to keep the military-industrial complex jobs. Being in those wars is as much a bailout and a handout as anything else the government does.

[Logan]

Wars are a unique case but I agree the funding of the war should have been better financed..

You are predictable Ohiofiler.

[BCA2009]

This statement does not even begin to make sense OhioFiler. You would take away FHA mortgages, Student financial aid, aid to public schools, road assistance and public transit assistance, wic, welfare, medicaid and medicare to fund our wars? I agree we will need a powerful military as there is rioting in the streets and we become a military state if your plan goes through.

We are in the wars we are in for two reasons: to protect our access to oil and to keep the military-industrial complex jobs. Being in those wars is as much a bailout and a handout as anything else the government does.

Every one of the those with the exception of War (national defense) should be handled by the states, (if the state decided to provide the service) not the federal government. The constitution doesn't provide for our federal government to provide these. If you didn't like the services of one state, you would be free to move to another. You could decide to live in a high tax, high socialist state, or low tax less government intrusion state.


And I don't think there should be any FHA or Student Financial aide. Private banks should provide mortgages without any guarantees from the governement. If that had been the case would wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Banks would make responsible loans with reasonable down payments. And housing prices would be much cheaper for both buyers and renters.

Student's should work and pay there way thru college. They would think alot harder about which major to take and what the payback would be. If you worked your way thru school and spent your own money, there would be more nurses, accountants, engineers and pharmacists. Rather than history and theology degrees.

Why should we (taxpayers) subsidize students to get English Lit or History degrees. What public/economic benefits are served by churning out students with most of the liberal art degrees?

IMHO,
BCA

[momisery]

[momisery]

We have not paid for WWII yet, but they are worried about paying for AMERICANS to eat and survive.. geesh... 5 people for each job and they wonder why are they not working?

[momisery]

Government grants do help fund research for the red cross.. Our military also does charity work... like what is going on in Hati right now.. I think they are doing a wonderful job, don't you?

[momisery]

A long time ago, in the 70's I was told in college by my geography professor that the middle east would be the cusp of all future wars.. and of course the gulf was pulled up on the overhead to explain why. Until we are really serious about using alternative energy including nuclear we will always be at war over oil. While Americans do waste a lot, we are more spread out than most countries are. We need to re-think how we live, how we as boomers will live when we retire so the next generation can do well too. Growing up my father was a republican, and is still. He thought back then that the next generation would die out from all the programs coming in to play.. each generation worries about that. I thought I would never live to see SS. We do need to make some changes, maybe draw SS later, rein in healthcare costs, people who are retired could live in housing where they could use mass transit since they don't have to be to work in many cases.... I have always not minded paying for my grandparents and my own parents.. never thought once minute that they didn't deserve to have a happy retirement and healthcare. Seems like people are so greedy anymore? I lost my only child and never used the school system, but I have never regretted paying taxes into it to educated young Americans.. that is my job, I am an American, my job is to help build a better nation for hte next generation, while I raise my own generation, and carry the load of the older generation upon my back. I would prefer to not be like Mexico, or Braizil, or maybe China... jmho.

[momisery]

The consitution has amendments, has had them for a long time... it changes all the time... Many feel life liberty and pursuit of happiness pretty much cover it all.

[BCA2009]

The consitution has amendments, has had them for a long time... it changes all the time... Many feel life liberty and pursuit of happiness pretty much cover it all.

life liberty and pursuit of happiness is not in the constitution. And even if it was there, "liberty and the pursuit of happiness" doesn't mean the government has to guarantee happiness, only that we are free to pursue our dreams.

Please don't think that I feel that all of the programs should be eliminated, just that they should be administered at the state and local level not the federal level. My taxes should not be taken from me and given to some other state to build a road or library. States can't print money, they have to live within their means (eventually).

If states didn't get federal money, the citizens would have to decide whether they wanted to fund a high speed rail system or a good umemployment insurance program. They couldn't have it all. We live in society where people think the government provides things for us. The goverment has no money unless it takes it from us! And fewer and fewer of "us" are paying for the services of the people who pay nothing.

[momisery]

I know it is in the declaration of independance I was just quoting .. sorry. But you did say it is not in the constitition as if it is one document.. I was saying we make amendments all the time to it. If you make things state specific you will find people flock from state to state... not a real good plan. My self, I am totally pissed off now.. I feel like as long as people "have" theirs they could care less so I am not on the ban waggon to get rid of all insurance and all taxes

[BCA2009]

I know it is in the declaration of independance I was just quoting .. sorry. But you did say it is not in the constitition as if it is one document.. I was saying we make amendments all the time to it. If you make things state specific you will find people flock from state to state... not a real good plan. My self, I am totally pissed off now.. I feel like as long as people "have" theirs they could care less so I am not on the ban waggon to get rid of all insurance and all taxes

We don't make amendments all of the time. There have only been 27 total in our history as a country. The last one was ratified in 1992 and before that in 1971.

We make laws all of the time. But our federal legislators are only supposed to make laws specifically allowed by the constitution and it's amendments. We have bulldozed right over that provision in the constitution.

I do feel it would be a good plan to have state specific laws for the very reason you stated. People would flock to the states that suited them, BUT if you wanted to live in a welfare state, you have to pay the necessary taxes to support that state's programs.

I'm all for insurance but it has to be funded. I'm also all for taxes, but the taxes I pay should benefit me and the area I live in and the people in my community/state.

I am definitely a "Have Not" right now, but I hope to someday be a "Have".

People have to have skin in the game. If you are not paying anything in to the system, of course you are fine with increasing the benefits.

[momisery]

Actually, I grew up on a farm and milked cows for my Dad everymorning and everynight before school and on weekends. That would be 5 AM and 5 PM milkings before and after school. At age 15 I got a work permit and I have never stopped, I am 60 now and I intend to work until I drop. I have always paid my fair share of taxes, and I enjoy the things taxes bring to our society. Because of taxes we have a lot of things poorer nations do not have, and I also feel our FREE education system has helped us become the great nation we are today. I have been a have not, a have and then due to medical debt a have not. During my time as a have, I gave to people who needed it and could care less if you can write it off or not. I do not think that people are happy with being nothing, most want to work they simply want to know there is hope for them. Not everyone will be a great quarterback, or singer... but most can do something, but you have to give people a reason to work. Now you can whip them like slaves but that never proves to really payoff in the end history proves that. Or you can give them a piece of the dream, and they don't mind paying for it. But when you tell someone who is 60 and has worked and worked two jobs for years, plus went to school at night that they are asking for a hand out... they are now not interested in paying for any of the things anyone wants. So, again.. I think it would be fair to dump all insurances, all taxes and let the good wealthy people pay thru charity for eveyones education, roads, librarys, military.,.. all of it.. because I am dropping out.. no reason to join in when I have to only pay for things that 'certain' people want... the street goes two ways, we all win, or no one will play is how it works...