Screwed over chrysler dealer speaks out

[AngelinaCatHub]

Not blaming 'Bamma for all this trouble. Only the way he is trying to buy us out of it. It is not the Dems or the Reps but both parties and WE ALLOWED it, so the two posts above this one are correct.

I also don't blame "W" either for what he also inherited. It is a circle and no one can break that loop. No one has the guts to "bite that bullet". After all, they may not get elected again. 'Hub

P.S. everyone of them put their heads in the sand and take the easy way out. This time, it could bring our economy down. Should have done nothing and let the free economy shake out the dead wood instead of attempting a band aide on a hemorrhage.

[JRScott]

Unfortunately and no matter how you try to get around it, Obama got stuck with a Bush mess and has to clean it up - change, not greed, should have been done under Bush. He's living on his big TX ranch reaping all the rewards from the years of greed during that administration while we all also pay his pension and secret service protection.

While it is true Obama did inherit a budget deficit and problematic economy, he has done nothing to improve the situation. In fact he has only made the deficits worse so far, dragging the long term economy further down.

[Lajazz947]

Not really Lajazz.

Party leaders do decide who runs in your district by deciding who gets funding from their parties.

When's the last time you had an open ballot with real choices?

I believe the last presidential election should have opened folks eyes. There was no real choice between Obama and McCain. They were both the same on many levels including their long absences from Congress over the 2 years prior to the presidential election. It is really sad that both parties put forth the candidates with the worst attendance records. In any other business they would have been fired due to excessive absences.

In fact not one single sitting member of Congress who ran for the Presidency in primaries or the main event had a sterling attendance record. All of them would have been fired from any other business.

So if you would fire someone who missed 1 out of every 5 days of work or even worse 1 out of every 3 (for Obama and McCain), then why do we keep sending these people back. The reason is lack of choice.

What we need is ballot reform in all 50 states, but it isn't easy as the D and R in power who control the state legislatures as well as the federal one realize that if they change those laws their own monopoly is jeopardized. Thus they are very slow to change anything. If you want try an experiment look up California's ballot access laws and then attempt to get your state legislature to change them, it is a very uphill battle.

The man owning this dealership did nothing really wrong. He tried to do what was right. He even tried to hedge his bets by seeking a dual license. He could be partially to blame with the recent renovations but most of that occurred before the current financial meltdown and he may not have realized what was coming as many didn't. We already lost one dealership here, probably will lose the other one too due to low volume sales though they've not said whether or not they were notified yet. Congress and the President whether for this administration or the last were not concerned about the dealer, because the dealer does not give large amounts of money to either of them. They were concerned about the corporations and the UAW who do give large amounts of money. As such this dealer and many others like him will suffer. The local communities which often have benefited from these will likewise suffer. Someone asked where the local news was, or national news. Why they weren't covering these topics. Call them up and ask them.

What I meant was that in Communist states there are no free elections of any sort. They portray them as free such as in Cuba but they are not real elections.

You may be referring to the fact that in practice, in China the power of parties other than the Communist Party of China is severely limited because none of the minor parties have independent bases of support and rely on Communist Party approval for appointment to positions of power and therefore none have the capacity to serve as a true opposition party.

That is still a far cry from America's electoral process.

[JRScott]

I don't really see it as being much different. The main difference is in China they are honest in that you have no choice, here we let people pretend they have a choice between two parties that are so corrupt and similar that they might as well be one party.

Take Senator Dodd for example. D-CT. Earlier this year his campaign fundraising for the first quarter of this year was released. He had gotten only 6k or less in USD from people and businesses from CT, ye had gotten over 600k from outside interest of his state. So who is having more effect on who the people of CT elect, the people of the state or outside special interest?

They should ban Senators from taking money from outside of their states, and ban Representatives from taking funds out of their districts. In connection with term limits and also a more open ballot system we can have the system the Founding Fathers envisioned, which is not what we have today.

[AngelinaCatHub]

I don't really see it as being much different. The main difference is in China they are honest in that you have no choice, here we let people pretend they have a choice between two parties that are so corrupt and similar that they might as well be one party.

Take Senator Dodd for example. D-CT. Earlier this year his campaign fundraising for the first quarter of this year was released. He had gotten only 6k or less in USD from people and businesses from CT, ye had gotten over 600k from outside interest of his state. So who is having more effect on who the people of CT elect, the people of the state or outside special interest?

They should ban Senators from taking money from outside of their states, and ban Representatives from taking funds out of their districts. In connection with term limits and also a more open ballot system we can have the system the Founding Fathers envisioned, which is not what we have today.

How very, very true. One term for all and perhaps they would go in doing their jobs instead of going in and immediately starting to run for office again.

Senators used to be appointed by State Government, not voted in. Term limits for those would certainly be appropriate. Perhaps our future health care plan would not be named for a murderer then. "The Kennedy Health Plan".

The representatives were voted in district by district. Now gerrymandering has made the districts bullet proof. Rep. C.B. of Florida has a district that starts in Jacksonville encompasses areas of a certain kind of people who habitually vote Dem and it looks like a snake picking up spots here and there and stretches nearly past Ocala. A District should be squared as physically possible and divided in half blindly by population. NOT the type of population. One six year term should be imposed to get new blood in there.

Only my opinion. 'Hub

Add-on, make that "alleged murderer"

[banca rotta]

Not blaming 'Bamma for all this trouble. Only the way he is trying to buy us out of it. It is not the Dems or the Reps but both parties and WE ALLOWED it, so the two posts above this one are correct.

I also don't blame "W" either for what he also inherited. It is a circle and no one can break that loop. No one has the guts to "bite that bullet". After all, they may not get elected again. 'Hub

P.S. everyone of them put their heads in the sand and take the easy way out. This time, it could bring our economy down. Should have done nothing and let the free economy shake out the dead wood instead of attempting a band aide on a hemorrhage.

This is the main reason I cannot stand politicians anymore. They are always doing the wrong thing to keep such undesireable careers. If they were all normal they would just get into office, do the right thing even if it cost them the next election and then move onto better paid, more desireable careers.

Most of these people can earn more in the private sector anyway.

Shows you what happens when a human being is so hungry for power.

[musicbum]

If we all lived up to the word of the contractual document that binds us, the Constitution, then the federal government wouldn't have had so much power in the first place. It is US, we have let go of our ability to determine our own fate for temporary security and Chinese junk. We have sacrificed the freedom that was hard earned by previous generations to gorge ourselves on the global economy. Unless each and everyone of us decides that we have been part of the problem and takes it upon ourselves to correct our own situation by minimizing our exposure to the Frankenstein hybrid of the government and economy, we are doomed.

[AngelinaCatHub]

If we all lived up to the word of the contractual document that binds us, the Constitution, then the federal government wouldn't have had so much power in the first place. It is US, we have let go of our ability to determine our own fate for temporary security and Chinese junk. We have sacrificed the freedom that was hard earned by previous generations to gorge ourselves on the global economy. Unless each and everyone of us decides that we have been part of the problem and takes it upon ourselves to correct our own situation by minimizing our exposure to the Frankenstein hybrid of the government and economy, we are doomed.

HERE, HERE!!!!

That now being said, how do we change this? This was very much the same problem in 1859.

I am so pleased to see, I am not alone in seeing light.

NO ONE has influenced me. Not Rush, Hannity, Beck, or Savage.

I am an American. My Father was of the Great generation. My brother is terminally ill of his wounds in VN. They all sacrificed for us. What are WE doing? Purchasing crap from RED China, as we sold our industries to our future enemy years ago. What war machine do we have now when we need one? Barack Housene, Obama's mouth?

Even our army's troops wear boots, and helmets made in RED China.

The wimps we now have applying for service are just those who have no desire to work. (I speak for not all, only a personal observation of my family). SOME go in to get a payment, then my nephew, got in and his wife is attempting to pull him out. A druggie (pill popper) wants out as he has now been convinced that it could be harmful to go over seas.

God, I wish I could go at my age. I know how to shoot and am not afraid to die. But what for? 'Bammynomics? What would I fight for? I would and could gladly give my life to help this Country. But why now?

ONLY MY OPINION. 'Hub

[dgjmj]

HERE, HERE!!!!

That now being said, how do we change this? This was very much the same problem in 1859.

I am so pleased to see, I am not alone in seeing light.

NO ONE has influenced me. Not Rush, Hannity, Beck, or Savage.

I am an American. My Father was of the Great generation. My brother is terminally ill of his wounds in VN. They all sacrificed for us. What are WE doing? Purchasing crap from RED China, as we sold our industries to our future enemy years ago. What war machine do we have now when we need one? Barack Housene, Obama's mouth?

Even our army's troops wear boots, and helmets made in RED China.

The wimps we now have applying for service are just those who have no desire to work. (I speak for not all, only a personal observation of my family). SOME go in to get a payment, then my nephew, got in and his wife is attempting to pull him out. A druggie (pill popper) wants out as he has now been convinced that it could be harmful to go over seas.

God, I wish I could go at my age. I know how to shoot and am not afraid to die. But what for? 'Bammynomics? What would I fight for? I would and could gladly give my life to help this Country. But why now?

ONLY MY OPINION. 'Hub

Very well said 'Hub

[AngelinaCatHub]

A message to american industries

THE WIN-LOSE SCENARIO OF MARKETING


Sometimes your company has a bad product at a high price. That's when the real magic of marketing comes into play. The focus changes from educating the consumer to thoroughly screwing the consumer.

If you experience any ethical problems in this situation, remember the marketing Professional's Motto:

“We’re not screwing the customers. All we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."

Thank goodness for the ignorance of your customers. Confusion is your friend. Take advantage of the goodwill created by your competitors and create products that are eerily similar but much worse.

Examples:

Somy Walkman
Honduh Accord
Porch 911
Harry Davidson motorcycles
Popsi Cola


(Courtesy "The DILBERT PRINCIPLE", Scott Adams pg 135)

[musicbum]

Exactly. Bush and Obama are just marketing spokesmen for the large organization that is violating us without the courtesy of using Astroglide. Party politics is about dividing people with common interests into enemies that nip at each other's heels with social issues like gay marriage and abortion while the really big heists go unnoticed.

Political parties certainly aren't about addressing any real problems, as any candidate who actually shows interest in representing the people is mocked and derided out of the political process in favor of a slick, prepackaged product, with catchy slogans to latch onto like "Hope 'N Change," or "compassionate conservative." The blind, orgasmic fervor for Obama was disturbingly like the blind support that Bush received in 2000. Bible thumping conservatives and Marxist liberals have far more in common with each other than they would care to admit. They both seek to impose their morality on others at any cost, with the goal of destroying society to remake it in their image. The noisy extremes of the political spectrum are suffocating everyone else. They have turned our grand experiment in representative democracy into a Jerry Springer episode, and we have been too quiet about it for too long.

It is our duty to ask ourselves the hard questions. Has the war ended since Obama has taken office? Have the Democrats really done anything else but maintain the status quo since assuming the majority in Congress in 2006? Are we attempting to bring manufacturing back to this country, or are we just printing more money? All of these *******s, Republicans and Democrats, go golfing with each other at 5-star Hawaiian resorts while veterans eat out of dumpsters and the elderly eat cat food, watching their live savings dwindle to nothing while Wall Street passes out bonuses with bailout money. Your Money, your children's money, your grand children's money. Each child born in this country is born into debt thanks to these people. They can't BK their way out of it, it will simply be a fact of life for them. That is sad.

The truth is that we don't need teleprompters or speech writers to tell us what to think and say. We are all on this site because we made mistakes and are taking steps to correct them, we live and we learn. These people are pampered with full medical benefits and a salary until they die. They never truly pay the price for their actions. The fact is that individually we are probably far more intelligent and informed than the common politician, and they need us FAR more than we need them. I remember when I was 10 years old hearing that George Bush Sr. couldn't even tell someone the price of a gallon of milk. I am just waiting for the Marie Antoinette "Let them Eat Cake" moment. It should be a helluva show.

THE WIN-LOSE SCENARIO OF MARKETING


Sometimes your company has a bad product at a high price. That's when the real magic of marketing comes into play. The focus changes from educating the consumer to thoroughly screwing the consumer.

If you experience any ethical problems in this situation, remember the marketing Professional's Motto:

“We’re not screwing the customers. All we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."

Thank goodness for the ignorance of your customers. Confusion is your friend. Take advantage of the goodwill created by your competitors and create products that are eerily similar but much worse.

Examples:

Somy Walkman
Honduh Accord
Porch 911
Harry Davidson motorcycles
Popsi Cola


(Courtesy "The DILBERT PRINCIPLE", Scott Adams pg 135)

[JRScott]

How very, very true. One term for all and perhaps they would go in doing their jobs instead of going in and immediately starting to run for office again.

Senators used to be appointed by State Government, not voted in. Term limits for those would certainly be appropriate. Perhaps our future health care plan would not be named for a murderer then. "The Kennedy Health Plan".

The representatives were voted in district by district. Now gerrymandering has made the districts bullet proof. Rep. C.B. of Florida has a district that starts in Jacksonville encompasses areas of a certain kind of people who habitually vote Dem and it looks like a snake picking up spots here and there and stretches nearly past Ocala. A District should be squared as physically possible and divided in half blindly by population. NOT the type of population. One six year term should be imposed to get new blood in there.

Only my opinion. 'Hub

Add-on, make that "alleged murderer"

Yes very true, the districts are drawn to aid the R and D, it is part of their monopoly to ensure they stay in power. If it starts to look like they might have a real challenge they redraw the districts. We should seek a constitutional amendment that requires the districts to be drawn using a gird and not some abstract chart just to keep one party or the other in power.

Large states also do not serve the interest of the people. They serve as conveniences for the parties involved. I honestly believe it is time for Texas to exercise its authority and split into the 5 states it is allowed to do so. It would also be well to split California into at least 2 states. By having larger states in the current system of popularly elected Senators we rob the people of their actual voice in the Senate. It might be ideal to have it such that no state has more than 10 electoral votes. Texas would be the easiest to split since it is already approved by the Senate due to the treaty allowing it to join the Union. Any other state would have a more difficult time doing so as they would have to have a vote in the Congress to split as well as in the state itself.

Another way might be to petition each state's government to ensure that electoral votes are dispensed not in a winner take all situation but in a proportion equal to the votes in each state. For example say you had a state with 20 electoral votes. If 55% voted for the R and 45% for the D then the R candidate would get 11 electoral votes and the D would get 9.

[kornellred]

In the case of the US auto makers - they killed themselves a long time ago by producing vehicles that could not compare in value to the Japanese and European imports. It's as simple as that. The writing was on the wall many years ago.

[AngelinaCatHub]

In the case of the US auto makers - they killed themselves a long time ago by producing vehicles that could not compare in value to the Japanese and European imports. It's as simple as that. The writing was on the wall many years ago.

That may, or may not be true depending on your taste and needs. I too have a VW made in Mexico with a wonderful German made diesel engine.

BUT, brother; is it Govmints business to make corrections in the economy of what used to be called a "free market economy?"

[holding on]

BUT, brother; is it Govmints business to make corrections in the economy of what used to be called a "free market economy?"

No it is not. It is government's responisibility to try to kick start an economy that's in a recession, but not to take it over. A stimulus IMHO is what the government is supposed to do - but being the #1 stakeholder in a private company is absolutely not.

You can soundly disagree with what the president is doing, and or his policies. But people cannot all of sudden act like they are the voice of the people now, but when the economy was tanking they said nothing because the president was from their party.