Screwed over chrysler dealer speaks out

[AngelinaCatHub]

The US automakers and UAW are just as much to blame for their current problem. They didn't learn from the 70's about having cars that were fuel efficient.

I understand the public didn't care about having fuel efficiency. I am also to blame for my SUV & fuel consumption. However, why didn't these U.S. auto dealers have a plan in place to quickly transform their company to producing fuel efficient cars? They should have had a host of hybrid vehicle ready to be produced. They lacked innovation,strategic planning & a plan to execute a strategic plan to transform their industry.

Look, we don’t NEED these hybrid pieces of junk and lies. We already have the technology here.

VW makes a wonderful diesel. I have owned many from the Rabbit in the 70’s to my current Jetta. I get 43 miles a gallon.

Diesel is a byproduct on the low list of gasoline and has always cost less until the manufactured shortage in the ‘70’s. The diesel engine does not pollute like the gas engine. In fact oxygen is emitted as the burn of fuel is complete by compressing air to an enormous heat. What comes out that you see is carbon. It falls to the ground. EVERYTHING living is carbon based on this planet.

The diesel was invented in Germany in the mid 1800’s by a guy named Diesel. Long before the spark plug, the diesel was made to burn vegetable oil, whale oil, corn oil, coal oil, as petroleum was not known yet and what was found was made into medicine.

A gasoline engine is made to run rich, so as to put a portion of raw gasoline into the catalytic converter where the heat and catalyst makes a very, very, hot fire that destroys the other pollutants.

Why not a hybrid with a small three cylinder diesel? Why? Because gasoline is a political tool. We have more oil in our own country than could be used in a millennium. We just can’t use it for the sake of tree huggers that have been sold a bill of goods.

Atomic power plants. Where are they? The cleanest energy on Earth, and relatively free. Same problem, the same Traitor that sat on a cannon in North Viet Nam, starred in a movie called “China Syndrome”. Jane Fonda.

If we were ever to make a reliable all electric car, what charges the battery? Coal power plants. More electric cars, more power load, more coal burned more soot out the stack. Simple as that.

About blaming anyone, we are all to blame. We voted the weasels in. Both parties to fault as you cannot tell one from another. No one made anyone go for the subprime mortgage. In the paperwork of every legal agreement, it stated that the payment would go up. The only loan that is a good loan, is a set interest loan and if we had schools that would teach home economics 101, we would have read that small print.

My big worry is that the current regime is printing money to placate the masses, and will ruin our economy far beyond our ability to regain and recover it.

Only my opinion, I have a right to mine, you have a right to yours, so far. ‘Hub

[musicbum]

Bummer. Why in the world would this guy hitch the fates of 70+ employees to the creator of the K Car? Perhaps if he didn't tie his fate to the warranty service of substandard, globalized crap cars, he would still be able to employ his workers. I was an infant the last time Chrysler was bailed out, and it should have died back then for the same reasons it is dying now. Chrysler was given 20+ years to get its act together, and what have they done? They are right back where they started. If the government hadn't intervened, perhaps this guy would have felt compelled to sell a quality product instead of patronizing a company that has a history of abusing the public trust.

All the debate about fiat currency and elite manipulation of the global economy means far less than allowing the entire economy to become dependent on poorly designed products for our bread and butter.

If the bailout money went to people like this instead of the big businesses, would we be celebrating? I don't think so. Except for big business getting the bailouts, which is WRONG, the economy is resetting itself and business practices like this just aren't sustainable anymore. One can only sell so many PT Cruisers and paint peeling Dodge Neons before karma comes knocking on their door.

[JRScott]

I agree with both posters above mine. It is NOT just the Dem's. It is the "Politicians" as we have no "statesmen" anymore. Greed is a good excuse, but it is greed of power. I don't believe in regulating private companies, except to keep them within the law. No not an oxymoron, what I mean is, we have usury laws that could be put into force and all would have to stay within the bounds. To MAKE a specific company or industry do something is Socialism, and to take over the business is Fascism. 'Hub

Oh I agree it is the Republicans and Democrats, see you don't really have a 2 party system. All that is really just a smokescreen. We have a 1 party system, where if your not a R or a D you are left out. It is really no better than Communist China, party leaders decide who will run in your district or state by providing money to them. The ballot laws written by the R and D are such that its very difficult to get any one else on the ballot and if they do manage to get on it there is no way they can meet the free billions the press gives to the R and D more less the money the parties spend themselves.

If every American in 2010 would go to the polls and wherever possible vote for any candidate that is not R and not D then we might see real change. The problem is in many states even where I live there are not a lot of other choices on the voting ballot and there is not a choice to vote for none of the above.

[JRScott]

The US automakers and UAW are just as much to blame for their current problem. They didn't learn from the 70's about having cars that were fuel efficient.

I understand the public didn't care about having fuel efficiency. I am also to blame for my SUV & fuel consumption. However, why didn't these U.S. auto dealers have a plan in place to quickly transform their company to producing fuel efficient cars? They should have had a host of hybrid vehicle ready to be produced. They lacked innovation,strategic planning & a plan to execute a strategic plan to transform their industry.

I agree with this, GM, Chrysler and Ford are to blame for their situations mostly. They knee they were underfunding their retirement plans. Ford at least seems to have done a bit more planning than the other two. This is one thing that has led to their problems. Keep in mind the government hasn't been funding social security, medicare or medicaid either, and there is a huge shortfall there that will hit us in 10 years.

I still contend that the main problem isn't the fuel efficiency of the cars, the main problem is the cost of the cars. Perhaps it is the area I live in. We've seen textile and furniture markets leave and go to Mexico due to NAFTA and no one lifted a finger to help our area. Basically Detroit, California, everyone told us tough its how it was going to be. Now the balls in their park and they don't like it. Having so many jobs left the average wage here is really depressed. Probably less than 5% of the county residents could afford a new car on anything near a reasonable turnover rate. Many people myself included drive cars ten to twenty years old, not because we wouldn't like a new car but because we can't afford a newer car. If the Big Three are going to survive they have to produce a car that the lowest denominator can afford. The only way they'll regain market share is if the new cars they build are as cheap or almost as cheap as a used car. What I've seen here in some of the poorest areas of the South is what's going to happen to the rest of the nation as more and more jobs are moved overseas. We are at the breaking point.

[Mi Bankruptcy]

I agree Hub for the most part. I also knew about the Diesel part. When I am mention Hybrid my thought goes towards the Kentic energy side of the hybrid. The area where we can use batteries and the breaks & engine to recharge those batteries. I care less about diesel or corn or other vegetable oil. Heck the price of corn shot up when they started using Ethonel. The word Hybrid is just a way to get people to feel comfortable with trying something new. Imagine if GM or any auto dealer came out and said. No worry we have a car that runs only electricity and we are replacing our fleet with them. Using the word Hybrid allows people that are scared of change to try something new. It's a marketing ploy to change peoples view. I just hope it really where we are going. The atomic plants.. lol.. by buddy is an engineer at one here in Michigan. I asked him about windmills. He said, yeah they can provide clean energy.. If you want to fill the entire state up with windmills and receive only a partial amount of energy as the plant. The biggest energy saver is making homes more energy efficient not vehicles.

[AngelinaCatHub]

Bummer. Why in the world would this guy hitch the fates of 70+ employees to the creator of the K Car? Perhaps if he didn't tie his fate to the warranty service of substandard, globalized crap cars, he would still be able to employ his workers. I was an infant the last time Chrysler was bailed out, and it should have died back then for the same reasons it is dying now. Chrysler was given 20+ years to get its act together, and what have they done? They are right back where they started. If the government hadn't intervened, perhaps this guy would have felt compelled to sell a quality product instead of patronizing a company that has a history of abusing the public trust.

All the debate about fiat currency and elite manipulation of the global economy means far less than allowing the entire economy to become dependent on poorly designed products for our bread and butter.

If the bailout money went to people like this instead of the big businesses, would we be celebrating? I don't think so. Except for big business getting the bailouts, which is WRONG, the economy is resetting itself and business practices like this just aren't sustainable anymore. One can only sell so many PT Cruisers and paint peeling Dodge Neons before karma comes knocking on their door.

Welcome "Musicbum". Your first post. Very good. Well thought out. Now I had a K-car that I liked and it served me well. The 70's cars were literally thrown together and when I saw some of those huge tinny things that I could dent with a thumbnail, I was sickened as I remember the 50's cars. A very good product. Many still run in Cuba. LOL.

I once showed a 70's salesman on the floor of his showroom, his model car had three unfinished fenders missing bolts and the name insignia which had press on tabs to hold it to the fender, was missing one and it hung down from the hole. I told him what I thought of his product and left.
'Hub

[AngelinaCatHub]

I agree Hub for the most part. I also knew about the Diesel part. When I am mention Hybrid my thought goes towards the Kentic energy side of the hybrid. The area where we can use batteries and the breaks & engine to recharge those batteries. I care less about diesel or corn or other vegetable oil. Heck the price of corn shot up when they started using Ethonel. The word Hybrid is just a way to get people to feel comfortable with trying something new. Imagine if GM or any auto dealer came out and said. No worry we have a car that runs only electricity and we are replacing our fleet with them. Using the word Hybrid allows people that are scared of change to try something new. It's a marketing ploy to change peoples view. I just hope it really where we are going. The atomic plants.. lol.. by buddy is an engineer at one here in Michigan. I asked him about windmills. He said, yeah they can provide clean energy.. If you want to fill the entire state up with windmills and receive only a partial amount of energy as the plant. The biggest energy saver is making homes more energy efficient not vehicles.

[Lajazz947]

I am a Republican at heart and vote for the free market system, every man/woman for himself but as a human I feel for this guy.

When you say he sold inferior product, he did not manufacture it, he sold it. Maybe just as bad but he also employed many people for many years so he did a good service.

I don't think that there is one party to blame for this mess, they are both to blame. The Republicans for allowing this mess, the Democrats for furthering it for future generations by mortgaging our future with bailouts and billions of dollars which will depress the dollar and purchasing power.

Overseas products? Hey, if they build a better product then why should Americans be chastised for buying it? I buy foreign goods cause much of it is better than American stuff. AND I BLEED RED, WHITE AND BLUE!!!!!!!!!! My Mom was even born on July 4th.

As the comedian Lewis Black says:

The only thing worse than a Republican or a Democrat is both of the pricks working together.

The Republicans: The party of no ideas
The Democrats: The party of bad ideas

Having said that I drive an 11 year old Jeep Wrangler that runs like new and a 6 year old Acura MDX that runs better than new but I had a Chrysler Cordoba back in the late 70's and I drove it into the ground.

Never had another domestic car after 1980 other than my Jeep which I will keep forever.

[Lajazz947]

JR........................It is really no better than Communist China, party leaders decide who will run in your district or state by providing money to them.

Lets not get carried away here.

It is Very different.

[JRScott]

Not really Lajazz.

Party leaders do decide who runs in your district by deciding who gets funding from their parties.

When's the last time you had an open ballot with real choices?

I believe the last presidential election should have opened folks eyes. There was no real choice between Obama and McCain. They were both the same on many levels including their long absences from Congress over the 2 years prior to the presidential election. It is really sad that both parties put forth the candidates with the worst attendance records. In any other business they would have been fired due to excessive absences.

In fact not one single sitting member of Congress who ran for the Presidency in primaries or the main event had a sterling attendance record. All of them would have been fired from any other business.

So if you would fire someone who missed 1 out of every 5 days of work or even worse 1 out of every 3 (for Obama and McCain), then why do we keep sending these people back. The reason is lack of choice.

What we need is ballot reform in all 50 states, but it isn't easy as the D and R in power who control the state legislatures as well as the federal one realize that if they change those laws their own monopoly is jeopardized. Thus they are very slow to change anything. If you want try an experiment look up California's ballot access laws and then attempt to get your state legislature to change them, it is a very uphill battle.

The man owning this dealership did nothing really wrong. He tried to do what was right. He even tried to hedge his bets by seeking a dual license. He could be partially to blame with the recent renovations but most of that occurred before the current financial meltdown and he may not have realized what was coming as many didn't. We already lost one dealership here, probably will lose the other one too due to low volume sales though they've not said whether or not they were notified yet. Congress and the President whether for this administration or the last were not concerned about the dealer, because the dealer does not give large amounts of money to either of them. They were concerned about the corporations and the UAW who do give large amounts of money. As such this dealer and many others like him will suffer. The local communities which often have benefited from these will likewise suffer. Someone asked where the local news was, or national news. Why they weren't covering these topics. Call them up and ask them.

[AngelinaCatHub]

I agree with you, JR, except the last statement. Call the news up? You would get laughed at. They do NOT report news. They create it or state what they are told to say. A newsmaker is now what they are called. Many go to college with the idea that they will become brilliant enough to form news and change society, not to learn how to read the facts from a teleprompter which is all they are supposed to do.

It is parallel to the Hollywood crowd. These so called actors make a film, they become an expert on the content of that film and start believing the fictional story. Now we got a comedian/talk show host running and stealing a congressional seat. We have a wrestler running Minnesota, we have an actor (a Democrat pretending to be a Republican) ruining California.

Don't tell me about Reagan being an actor. He was long time in working himself up in the political arena and was a serious talk show program from California for many years before he entered the Presidential race. He was also a governor. At least he was experienced. 'Bammy has bitten off more than he realized. Everyone is in fear to tell him so. 'Hub

[poorold]

it's amazing how the mortgage crisis has morphed into a "big car" + SUV problem.

Obama is only taking over the auto companies so that he can enforce his green initiative.

period.

oh, and pay off the UAW too.

[AngelinaCatHub]

it's amazing how the mortgage crisis has morphed into a "big car" + SUV problem.

Obama is only taking over the auto companies so that he can enforce his green initiative.

period.

oh, and pay off the UAW too.

You got that right. It is so obvious to see the payoffs. It is sickening. We have a paper company in our town. Its called Georgia Pacific and it makes toilet paper, napkins, craft paper, bags, and plywood. I enjoy wasting as much paper as I can. I accept only paper bags not plastic (that never degrades) so that our local loggers can cut, and our local tree farms can earn a living.

In our poor County (Florida) what a boom it would be to put up an oil refinery, (mid FL) pipe oil from the Gulf, from the oil dericks 50 miles off the shore. What an income for all those who would build, service, and produce. But NOOOoooo.... Cain't upset those idiots who think mankind to be a blight upon this planet and some damn fish has more rights than I. 'Hub

[Flamingo]

Welcome to Obama land you wanted change you got it

Unfortunately and no matter how you try to get around it, Obama got stuck with a Bush mess and has to clean it up - change, not greed, should have been done under Bush. He's living on his big TX ranch reaping all the rewards from the years of greed during that administration while we all also pay his pension and secret service protection.

[heyu]

Obama did'nt do this.

Welcome to Obama land you wanted change you got it

How can Obama be blamed for the situation we find ourselves in today, this has taken years to get to this point in time, it just did'nt happen overnight, the man is trying to fix a situation that has been festering for years, now that the bubble has broken we are all up in arms (so to speak) against a man who has only had a say in the remedy for the last couple of months, I saw this coming when the construction industry started to slow down 2 years ago, it is so bad now but I have to consider myself lucky as I still have a job although I only work 4 days a week and have lost 3 bucks an hour from my wages, I have to consider myself lucky because the alternative is $275.00 a week under unemployment, I have to wonder how the millions who have lost their jobs are surviving.
Obama did'nt bring about this change, we all did, when you stop to really think about it, and if it was'nt Obama then whoever was in his position would still be getting the same s..t you who think with your hmmmm,, would be screaming. (Read the Article and replies from the site it was imported from)