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    Seventh Circuit Decides Hotly Debated Means Test Issue

    One of the more divisive post-BAPCPA consumer issues has been whether a debtor who has no monthly vehicle loan or lease expense can claim a vehicle ownership deduction when applying the means test. Until Wednesday, no circuit court of appeals had considered the issue. The four bankruptcy appellate panels that had rendered opinions were evenly split, as were the bankruptcy courts. Now the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has weighed in on the issue in In Ross-Tousey v. Neary, 2008 WL 5234070 (7th Cir. Dec. 17, 2008). The court reversed the district court and held that when conducting a means test analysis a debtor may claim a vehicle ownership expense even if the vehicle is not encumbered by a debt or lease payment. According to the court of appeals, this result was dictated by the plain language of the statute, the legislative history, and the underlying policies of the means test.

    The importance of the decision extends beyond the car ownership allowance.

    The court rejected the methodology used in the Internal Revenue Manual (IRM) as an interpretive guide for the means test. While the IRM is useful to IRS agents determining a taxpayer’s ability to pay, the court found no indication the Congress intended the IRM to be used in conducting the means test. The substantial discretion of IRS agents under the IRM was also found to be inconsistent with the purpose of the means test to adopt a uniform, bright-line test that eliminates judicial discretion. This means that other expenses provided for in the National and Local Standards, such as housing expenses, should be used as allowances and not as caps on expenses (at least in the Seventh Circuit).

    And, while the court noted that the UST can still request dismissal under section 707(b)(3) for bad faith or based on the totality of the circumstances, the burden of proof will be on the party seeking dismissal.

    For those less interested in consumer bankruptcy, the court also addressed finality and appellate jurisdiction issues.

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    #2
    Thanks for the good read.
    My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
    posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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      #3
      And a court in New Hampshire, last week, ruled the opposite (that you can't use the car ownership allowance on a fully unencumbered vehicle). This was opposite of what the Massachusetts court ruled recently (in line with the 7th Circuit).

      Strange. This is why I hate the inconsistency!!!
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        #4
        My two cars total $1,050 per month for both car payments without insurance, gas or maintenance. Will I be able to include all of that in Florida as part of the means test to file a Chapter 7?

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          #5
          Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
          My two cars total $1,050 per month for both car payments without insurance, gas or maintenance. Will I be able to include all of that in Florida as part of the means test to file a Chapter 7?
          No.
          Filed CH 7 9/30/2008
          Discharged Jan 5, 2009! Closed Jan 18, 2009

          I am not an attorney. None of my advice is legal advice in any way..

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            #6
            Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
            My two cars total $1,050 per month for both car payments without insurance, gas or maintenance. Will I be able to include all of that in Florida as part of the means test to file a Chapter 7?
            That is considered luxury. Basically, the IRS ownership allowance is $489 per vehicle (per month). That is supposed to include the cost for car payments generally including insurance.

            There is also an Operating Expense allowance, which covers gas and maintenance.

            I think you're right on the edge of it being too much... but, then again, it's only $150/month over the IRS ownership allowance. You could get some flack.
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              #7
              Originally posted by justbroke View Post
              That is considered luxury. Basically, the IRS ownership allowance is $489 per vehicle (per month). That is supposed to include the cost for car payments generally including insurance.

              There is also an Operating Expense allowance, which covers gas and maintenance.

              I think you're right on the edge of it being too much... but, then again, it's only $150/month over the IRS ownership allowance. You could get some flack.
              But that's what it is. The payment on our Saturn is $309/mo. and the payment on our BMW is $740. Insurance is another $110/mo. Then the cost of fuel which varies. I remember paying up to $500+ per month for fuel when we were working.

              So how will the lawyer be able to plug these figures into the means test? Do they just put a standard deduction then and not use these exact figures?

              I want to give the BMW back as many people here have said that I need to do that. I'm being current on it just so I can include it in the means test. If I let them repo it now, I won't be able to include it as part of the means test, right? Or should I stop paying on it now and get the BK overwith?

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                #8
                Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
                But that's what it is. The payment on our Saturn is $309/mo. and the payment on our BMW is $740. Insurance is another $110/mo. Then the cost of fuel which varies. I remember paying up to $500+ per month for fuel when we were working.
                I don't see any Trustee allowing you to keep a $740/month car. Remember, the allowance is per vehicle. You are not allowed to offset one with the other. While a Chapter 7 doesn't use the IRS Allowances directly, the Trustee uses it as a guide to gauge whether what you're spending (on Schedule J) is within reason.

                Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
                So how will the lawyer be able to plug these figures into the means test? Do they just put a standard deduction then and not use these exact figures?
                The lawyer will not. You have an issue with the $740/month car.

                Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
                I want to give the BMW back as many people here have said that I need to do that. I'm being current on it just so I can include it in the means test. If I let them repo it now, I won't be able to include it as part of the means test, right? Or should I stop paying on it now and get the BK overwith?
                I don't have a specific solution to your issue, but certainly, giving up the $740/month BMW will need to happen. How your District deals with things you're giving up (surrendering) and the affect of that on your means test, is so specific, that I dare not answer.

                You say you're in Florida. I will neither guess as to which District you are in, nor do you need to tell me. You are not going to be able to claim the $740 payment anyhow, regardless of whether you surrender it or not, because it's outside the limits. How your specific District, Judge and Trustee deals with these, can vary slightly.
                Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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                Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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                  #9
                  So then I might as well just stop paying on the car now anyway. I thought it would be used as part of the means test. If not, then that $740 I just paid this month could have been applied towards my lawyer's retainer. I am so pissed off right now. I'd be $740 closer to finishing my bankruptcy!!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
                    So then I might as well just stop paying on the car now anyway. I thought it would be used as part of the means test. If not, then that $740 I just paid this month could have been applied towards my lawyer's retainer. I am so pissed off right now. I'd be $740 closer to finishing my bankruptcy!!
                    Again, it is very dependent, but generally, that vehicle won't fly. A quick chat with your lawyer should put you at ease. Perhaps your lawyer knows the Trustee better and can get part or all of that cost in your means test.
                    Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                    Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
                    Visit My BKForum Blog: justbroke's Blog

                    Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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                      #11
                      They told me to keep paying it. I owe just over $1000 to finish paying the attorney. Maybe when I get paid on the 15th again (I only get paid once per month), I can just pay off the attorney and get the ball rolling.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by debtmonster View Post
                        They told me to keep paying it. I owe just over $1000 to finish paying the attorney. Maybe when I get paid on the 15th again (I only get paid once per month), I can just pay off the attorney and get the ball rolling.
                        Your attorney certainly has a strategy, so don't mess with his strategy. It appears he wants you to keep paying it as if you're keeping it. I won't second guess his intentions.
                        Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
                        Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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                        Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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