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    Interesting Take on Economic Crisis

    I love the line, "there are people swimming naked everywhere."

    NEW YORK (AP) -- The economy's downturn could end up being worse than the recent crisis in the financial markets, JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon said Wednesday at a banking conference.

    "We think (the recession) could be deep; we don't know how deep," Dimon said. "We think the economy could be worse than the capital markets crisis."

    He said the government's actions to pump cash into the financial system have been "powerful medicine" to help fix the dislocated financial markets. But even an eventual normalization in the markets "may not stop us from having a deep recession," Dimon said.

    Many people still can't get financing, he said. And the troubles are so widespread that companies all over the world are stuck with bad investments on their hands and running for cover. Referring to billionaire investor Warren Buffett's adage about finding out who's been swimming naked when the tide goes out, Dimon said: "There are people swimming naked everywhere."

    Financial institutions around the world have been slammed by both deteriorating consumer credit and turbulent financial markets.

    JPMorgan Chase on Wednesday ratcheted up its expectations for losses from deteriorating home equity loans. The bank's home equity loan losses could rise as high as $850 million over the next several quarters, Dimon said. That was up from last month's forecast of losses of as much as $800 million in the coming quarters.

    Expectations for losses from other loans -- credit cards, subprime mortgages and prime mortgages -- were the same as on Oct. 15, when JPMorgan reported an 84 percent drop in third-quarter earnings.

    The bank anticipates credit card loss rates of about 5 percent in the fourth quarter, 6 percent at the beginning of 2009, and 7 percent by the end of 2009. It also expects subprime mortgage quarterly losses as high as $425 million in early 2009, and prime mortgage quarterly losses as high as $300 million.

    "We have tightened consumer lending considerably," Dimon said at Merrill Lynch's banking and financial services conference in New York. He added, though, "We're still lending. We're still in business."

    JPMorgan Chase shares fell $1.70, or 4.7 percent, to $34.65, Wednesday in afternoon trading.

    #2
    I hope JP Morgan Chase goes bankrupt. They are the most evil company out there. It would serve them right to know how it feels to have someone breathing down your neck.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Mary Irene View Post
      I hope JP Morgan Chase goes bankrupt. They are the most evil company out there. It would serve them right to know how it feels to have someone breathing down your neck.
      If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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        #4
        Hub is dead on with this. I read an interesting article about the 1929 crash and the similarities to today...profound. People today seem to think it all crashed overnight, but in reality it took a few years to realize how bad it was. The stock market bounced back in the week that followed and was back trading like before but the damage had been done. I have a lot of friends who are in financial industries and I can tell you you might want to stock up heavily on ammo and food. I know everbody always talks about the 2nd Amendment, and everyone knows it the right to bear arms and protect yourself....but protect yourself from who...? Thats the big question. Not to be an alarmist or the crazy guy but we have started to stockpile just to be safe. I honestly think its going to get rough, just my opinion though.....
        "I'm old enough to know better, but too young to care"
        Filed Chapter 7 January 25th 2010
        341 Hearing March 4th 2010
        Discharged May 10th 2010

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          #5
          The 2nd Amendment was formed to protect the people from the government if you want to know .

          I said it 2 months ago. It is very likely the stock market will see numbers as low as the early 1970s before this is over.

          Many businesses are likely to fail. Many people are likely to have unemployment and foreclosure in the next 5 years. What is going on today will not be fixed in a few days, weeks or months. It will take the stock market between 7 and 15 years to fully recover I think once the bottom is hit which could take 2-3 years.

          As someone above pointed out prior to October of 2008 4 of the best 5 days for the stock market were between 1929 and 1933.
          May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
          July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
          September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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            #6
            Originally posted by JRScott View Post
            The 2nd Amendment was formed to protect the people from the government if you want to know .


            As someone above pointed out prior to October of 2008 4 of the best 5 days for the stock market were between 1929 and 1933.

            That was me, by the way I know FULLY why the 2nd Amendment is in place I was being sarcastic when I said "protect us from who" in my post. You would be suprised how many young people today do not have a clue about this......
            "I'm old enough to know better, but too young to care"
            Filed Chapter 7 January 25th 2010
            341 Hearing March 4th 2010
            Discharged May 10th 2010

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              #7
              blammo ain't cheap but there'll be no one taking my rights without a fight ;)
              Filed 7/28/08, Discharged 10/29/08
              (filed pro se: nonconsumer no asset CH7)

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                #8
                I would never wish anyone to go bankrupt.

                And I also think people need to take more responsible and stop blaming others for what has happen to them. You don't have control over medical or job loss but you do have responsibility for using the cards and the mortgage that you got that you knew you couldn't afford. And "you" isn't referring to anyone specific.


                Originally posted by Mary Irene View Post
                I hope JP Morgan Chase goes bankrupt. They are the most evil company out there. It would serve them right to know how it feels to have someone breathing down your neck.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cali View Post
                  I would never wish anyone to go bankrupt.

                  And I also think people need to take more responsible and stop blaming others for what has happen to them. You don't have control over medical or job loss but you do have responsibility for using the cards and the mortgage that you got that you knew you couldn't afford. And "you" isn't referring to anyone specific.
                  And I wish that the rich did not own 90% of this country. How is that fair? I paid my bills for 30 yrs and a job loss caused me to have problems that I still have today. There is no way out. No one is giving me anything. It is a fight to the end. I used the cards to put food on the table and gas in the car so the one person with a job could get to it. What good does it do anyone to keep those who can't (I said CAN'T, not WON'T) pay? No good at all. This abomination has gone on too long. Now that this crisis is upon us, and there are many many many people in this situation, something will be done finally. Without all of us equally positioned, the ship will sink.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mary Irene View Post
                    And I wish that the rich did not own 90% of this country. How is that fair? I paid my bills for 30 yrs and a job loss caused me to have problems that I still have today. There is no way out. No one is giving me anything. It is a fight to the end. I used the cards to put food on the table and gas in the car so the one person with a job could get to it. What good does it do anyone to keep those who can't (I said CAN'T, not WON'T) pay? No good at all. This abomination has gone on too long. Now that this crisis is upon us, and there are many many many people in this situation, something will be done finally. Without all of us equally positioned, the ship will sink.
                    Not defending the big banks or the super rich but the former soviet union's citizens were "equally positioned" and their ship did sink mostly for that very reason.
                    The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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                      #11
                      You have to have money to make money...

                      The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

                      It's been that way for years.
                      Filed Chapter 13 05/23/08
                      Converted to Chapter 7 Jan 2012
                      Discharged April 2012

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cali View Post
                        I would never wish anyone to go bankrupt.

                        And I also think people need to take more responsible and stop blaming others for what has happen to them. You don't have control over medical or job loss but you do have responsibility for using the cards and the mortgage that you got that you knew you couldn't afford. And "you" isn't referring to anyone specific.
                        Ahh..some logic, you must have some economics in your background. When I read a thread like this, I want to pull my hair out. lol

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by chloe0724 View Post

                          The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

                          It's been that way for years.

                          Years? Try like since money was invented....there used to be the wealthy and the extreme poor and not much in between. The days of the middle class are going to come to an end someday....

                          Everyone needs to remember that all these companies are in business to make $$ even mine, when business overall does bad so does the public so it's never a good thing to see them go down. I dislike the banks as most here do but it really was my choice to use them, sure they solicited me but I didn't have to sign up for the credit.....and my Great Grandparents didn't have to buy the tonic that the guy was trying to sell to everyone in the wagon train, but I'm sure they did lol
                          "I'm old enough to know better, but too young to care"
                          Filed Chapter 7 January 25th 2010
                          341 Hearing March 4th 2010
                          Discharged May 10th 2010

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