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    At Indian Call Centers, Another View of U.S.

    October 14, 2008

    With her flowing, hot-pink Indian suit, jangly silver bangles and perky voice, Bhumika Chaturvedi, 24, doesn't fit the stereotype of a thuggish, heard-it-all-before debt collector. But lately, she has had no problem making American debtors cry.

    For the past three years, Chaturvedi has been a top collection agent at her call center, phoning hundreds of Americans a day and politely asking them to pay up. As the U.S. financial crisis plunges Americans into debt, her business is one of the fastest-growing sectors in Indian outsourcing. It is also one of the few sectors of outsourcing in India that is still hiring aggressively.

    Sitting in a narrow cubicle, her head-set switched on, Chaturvedi listens every night to increasingly disturbing tales of woe from the other side of the globe.

    "My mortgage payments are just too high, honey. I just can't make the payment this month," a weeping woman with a Southern accent recently told her in response to a call for a $200 credit card payment. "I'm sure y'all heard about the credit crunch and gas prices. I'm flat broke."

    "Ma'am, I am here to help you," Chaturvedi calmly said. "Ma'am, maybe you could make a small payment, $100 or $50, anything that you can."

    Few places in India absorb and imitate American culture as much as call centers, where ambitious young Indians with fake American accents and American noms de phone spend hours calling people in Indiana or Maine to help navigate software glitches, plan vacations or sell products. The subculture of call centers tends to foster a cult of America, an over-the-top fantasy where hopes and dreams are easily accomplished by people who live in a brand-name wonderland of high-paying jobs, big houses and luxury getaways.

    But collection agents at this call center outside New Delhi are starting to see the flip side of that vision: a country hobbled by debt and filled with people scared of losing their jobs, their houses and their cars.

    "Lately, 25-year-old Americans are telling me that they are declaring themselves bankrupt," said Chaturvedi, raising her eyebrows in shock. "These days the situation is so emotional, so fragile. We have to have so much empathy and patience."

    "It's like people are totally drowning," said Omkar Gadgil, 24, who goes by the alias Richard Rudy and was a math major in college. He is brainy and considered the office expert on the intricacies of debt collection. "There has just been years of overspending and now: the crash."

    In the past, debt-saddled customers were often annoyed by Chaturvedi's calls from the open-air office at Aegis BPO Services. But now they seem depressed, defeated. Even the men sob into the phone, several agents said.

    Under the pseudonym Carol Miller, Chaturvedi's ability to deftly work around the standard line, "The check is in the mail," is now being challenged by clients throwing out new responses: "How do you expect me to pay? This is the worst crisis since the Great Depression."

    Chaturvedi said she has never seen it so bad. Many of the young employees say they are flabbergasted at just how widespread the financial ruin appears to be.

    Talking to so many anguished Americans has taught these agents an important lesson: Live within your means. Agents with credit cards are vowing to pay them off every month, even during the upcoming holiday shopping season, when malls feature neon signs advertising flat-screen TVs and air conditioners.

    Managers of this call center say they have recently added a seminar on the economic crisis, with PowerPoint slides that graph the financial mess as well as updates on other events that could affect the ability of U.S. debtors to pay their bills, including natural disasters such as Hurricane Ike. The presentation is intended to enable collection agents to bond with their clients, and possibly deflect their excuses.

    Since the crisis began, agents have seen call times shoot up dramatically because late payers often want to talk more. More callers have moved. More phones have been disconnected. Clients have started bargaining with agents for discounts on their debts "as if they were haggling at an Indian vegetable market," said Rhoit Chug, assistant vice president of training for Aegis.

    India handles an estimated $16 billion -- or about 5 percent -- of delinquent U.S. accounts. More complicated health insurance bills and mortgage payments are still largely handled inside the United States, industry executives say.

    But the debt collection business will continue to grow as debt rises and companies look to cut costs, industry experts said. Aegis, which handles nearly a fourth of debt collection outsourced from the United States, is undergoing a rapid expansion. The company is erecting a second office building for 5,000 employees, many of them to be hired over the next few years. Most employees are college-educated and in their 20s. They earn about $5,000 a year, a competitive starting salary in India, but less than a fourth of what their American counterparts make.

    Inside the Aegis call center, there is a clean, colorful cafeteria with round tables and darts to relieve stress. Because New Delhi is about 10 hours ahead of the eastern United States, there is an espresso machine and candy counter to keep the young workers awake while calling through India's night.

    Aparup Sengupta, global chief executive officer and managing director of Aegis, encourages his debt collectors to use a "hospitable Indian touch," meaning less arm-twisting and more emotional therapy.

    "This business is a performing art," Sengupta said. "We are part therapists because the core of the issue is that every human being wants to be honorable in life. We don't just push someone into a bad situation. We try to create a real solution."

    Decorating the office are dozens of yellow smiley faces with the words, "Happy People. Happy Customers. Happy Investors," along with other posters that read: "Connect and Collect."

    "How is the car running?" asked Parul Malhotra, 25, who goes by the alias Michelle Jones.

    "It's a real piece of junk," the customer shot back, his voice registering more depression than anger. "It was in the shop. The electric's all messed up. And I have no money now. Plus, we have an illness in the family."

    "Times are hard. I wish for everyone a speedy recovery," said Malhotra, trying to be cheerful. After a pause, she got back to business: "But let's try to work out a payment."

    By Emily Wax
    Washington Post Foreign Service

    Last edited by Flamingo; 04-26-2009, 02:32 PM. Reason: To conform with forum posting rules - OP please take note

    #2
    Pinoy, it's discusting we have to air our dirty linen accross the world. It is more discusting that these call centers go overseas because they are cheaper. I just can't stand someong telling me what I have already done and probably know more about it than them. Cookbook fixes. I set up call centers here in FL and TX, and I know how they work. But to get an obvious out of County person on a help line with the name Suzy, to me is disgusting. The best call center I have seen is Comcast, and their help desk is in Canada. I consider that USA in any case. At least you can understand them aye? 'Hub
    If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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      #3
      I don't see the problem with outsourcing call centers overseas to India, trade flows both ways and if they can do things more efficiently and effectively than we can, by all means they should keep doing it.
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        #4
        Originally posted by domaingamer View Post
        I don't see the problem with outsourcing call centers overseas to India, trade flows both ways and if they can do things more efficiently and effectively than we can, by all means they should keep doing it.
        I hope you mean this sarcastically. How would you like it if YOUR job would be outsourced to some country where the intelligence level begins and ends with numbers.

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          #5
          Originally posted by magyar123 View Post
          I hope you mean this sarcastically. How would you like it if YOUR job would be outsourced to some country where the intelligence level begins and ends with numbers.
          Wow, that is really xenophobic! I have several Indian friends and find this statement, like almost all race/country of origin statements, to be blatently untrue. Are some Indians good with numbers? Yes. Do the ones I know have other attributes, like sharp wits, knowledge of literature and culture, theater, music, poetry? Definitely yes. Most are hard-working, although a few of their kids are just like my step-kids, slackers, lol, so even that stereotype doesn't hold universally true. Why does it always devolve into an "us vs. them?" kind of thing? We're moving into the global world, there's no turning back, and we need to figure out how to change and evolve with it or be left behind.
          Filed CH 13 September 17, 2007
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            #6
            No xenophobia here, just pure DISGUST.

            I have dealt with many of these Indian call centers. From customer service to collection...utility companies, phone and i-net providers--you name it.

            What P*sses me off the most is how they misrepresent themselves--they choose fake names, use fake accents--and somehow it is legal for them to have all of our info--but misrepresent everything on their side.

            How this is LEGAL is beyond me. You cannot file a grievance against a rep who gives false identifying info and well, for most of these companies, you can't file a grievance anyway--there's no method of controlling fraud, quality, nothing...


            The companies employing them want AMERICAN $$ but refuse to pay an american wage.
            The CEO's of these companies make 6 figures and much much more. They have the best health benefits money can buy.

            What does this say about the integrity of the companies that use such centers for tech support, customer service, debt collection???
            It says that they do not care about the American people--the very people they want the $$ from.

            I believe that if these companies employed American's at American wages--maybe they wouldn't need such a large debt collection sector, as more people would be employed and able to pay their bills.

            There is something wrong with a system that allows this to continue. Something was lost or broken along the way.

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              #7
              I can't say I have any issue with the "outsourcing" of such businesses, but that is only my opinion.

              I am personally concerned about the outsourcing of American citizen's priviate information, SSN, etc. This seems a bit strange.

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                #8
                When I apply for credit, I expected my personal information I give to that company to be maintained and secured by that company. The last thing I would want with my personal data is for it to get into the hands of foreign nationals.

                Identity theft?
                Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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                  #9
                  I just had a call from Chase trying to to collect on a credit card in which I am a couple of months past due. Yes, the collector was obviously in India and I couldn't understand a word she was saying, just that if I paid the overdue it would not effect my credit report. I explained that we were filing bk soon and that she could call back in a few weeks to get the case # if she wanted. She didn't seem to understand what I was telling her about the bankruptcy, like she was flipping through a manual or something as to what her response should be back to me.

                  I just don't see how companies are able to even pay their collectors in other countries if they aren't getting any money from the consumers. It just seems that there is a huge consensus to keep a roof over your head, food on the table, and pay your utility bills to survive in this economy. And like myself, even though we have jobs (for now) we are taking a proactive approach by claiming bk. If we continue to pay our unsecured debt, it is like throwing it into a black hole and I would rather claim bk, get back on track and start saving for any future life changing events in order to protect my family.

                  I do feel for the people in these countries like India who are just trying to make it themselves, but I think US companies have crossed the line by sharing our data with 3rd world countries where identity theft is rampant. I just don't see how it is even legal.

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                    #10
                    A lot of the larger companies are having their payroll and accounting done in India. Customer Service for a lot of US companies are handled by Indians.
                    Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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                      #11
                      i dont believe in the outsourcing of our jobs to India or and other country only because of the fact that its hurting our economy more and taking more jobs away from us.
                      retained lawyer june 08, filed may 09....341 on 6/26/09- went smooth! Glad to be part of the 60 day club .... AND- 6/27/09- got engaged
                      10/30/10- WEDDING!!
                      09/04/09-discharged!!!

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                        #12
                        There have been instances of identity theft. Don't doubt that for a minute.
                        Also, I HUGELY oppose jobs going overseas. Those are less jobs for Americans and certainly contribute to our current economy.
                        I am not angry at the people that take those jobs, who of us wouldn't given no other options? I am angry with the companies that choose to outsource.

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                          #13
                          I just had to deal with this last night. AT&T customer service is a mess. They suspended my internet with no warning - and my bill is current. I found this out after I got home from work last night and had to submit orders for my new Avon business. I called the number, got "Joe" from India and couldn't understand anything he was saying. I had to keep asking him to please repeat himself. After getting transferred twice I finally an answer that they are the "technical department" and I needed to speak to billing and that office was closed.

                          I had the same thing with Dish Network when I moved and wanted to move service. They couldn't comprehend moving the service (it's advertised on all of their statements how EASY it is to move your existing service) I told them over and over this is not a new account, do not run a credit check on me. They did it anyway, 3 times.

                          Outsourcing manufacturing jobs is one thing. Outsourcing customer service is another. This is not a service to customers when we can't understand the person on the other line and they can't understand our questions. I'm not angry at the poor guy in India who has to listen to irate people who lose their tempers when they can't communicate or get the service they are calling for (me) I'm angry with the company that is taking my money every month and not providing the "service" they promised. Even more so angry that there are so many people in the country the provide service to who are on unemployment and would give anything to have that job.
                          12/05/08 - filed pro se
                          01/27/09 - case dismissed and closed - 02/24/09 - case reopened and dismissal vacated
                          04/01/09 - new 341 scheduled
                          6/02/09 - DISCHARGED!!!

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                            #14
                            Amex was calling me from collections, I got an Indian guy. It's actually funny, you get them to a point where the answer isn't listed in their script, so they just keep repeating the same thing over and over, no matter what you ask.

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                              #15
                              I'm afraid that I must confess that my disdain for Indians is growing. Call me what you like but when I am told that I need to train the Indian counter parts to do the job that I am currently doing, and that my future severance package will depend on how cooperative I am with them, then yes I have a problem.

                              And I think they are as much to blame as the CEOs who send the jobs there. *They* are willing to 'outbid' in the way of salaries to bring these jobs to their country. Meanwhile, America is circling the drain.

                              I also think that it's becoming another form of discrimination. My company takes my job from me because I am neither Indian, nor do I live in India, where they currently do not pay income tax.

                              I only hope that Obama is serious in keeping his promise to tax these companies for doing this.

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