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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Like a ticking time bomb, the national debt is an explosion waiting to happen. It's expanding by about $1.4 billion a day -- or nearly $1 million a minute.

    Even people not caught up in the housing crunch can be affected by the fast-growing U.S. national debt.

    What's that mean to you?

    It means almost $30,000 in debt for each man, woman, child and infant in the United States.

    Even if you've escaped the recent housing and credit crunches and are coping with rising fuel prices, you may still be headed for economic misery, along with the rest of the country. That's because the government is fast straining resources needed to meet interest payments on the national debt, which stands at a mind-numbing $9.13 trillion.

    And like homeowners who took out adjustable-rate mortgages, the government faces the prospect of seeing this debt -- now at relatively low interest rates -- rolling over to higher rates, multiplying the financial pain.

    So long as somebody is willing to keep loaning the U.S. government money, the debt is largely out of sight, out of mind.

    But the interest payments keep compounding and could in time squeeze out most other government spending -- leading to sharply higher taxes or a cut in basic services like Social Security and other government benefit programs. Or all of the above.

    A major economic slowdown, as some economists suggest may be looming, could hasten the day of reckoning.

    The national debt -- the total accumulation of annual budget deficits -- is up from $5.7 trillion when President George W. Bush took office in January 2001 and it will top $10 trillion sometime right before or right after he leaves in January 2009.

    That's $10,000,000,000,000.00, or one digit more than an odometer-style "national debt clock" near New York's Times Square can handle. When the privately owned automated clock was activated in 1989, the national debt was $2.7 trillion.

    It only gets worse.

    Over the next 25 years, the number of Americans aged 65 and up is expected to almost double. The work population will shrink and more and more baby boomers will be drawing Social Security and Medicare benefits, putting new demands on the government's resources.

    These guaranteed retirement and health benefit programs now make up the largest component of federal spending. Defense is next. And moving up fast in third place is interest on the national debt, which totaled $430 billion last year.

    Aggravating the debt picture: the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates could cost $2.4 trillion over the next decade

    Despite vows in both parties to restrain federal spending, the national debt as a percentage of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product has grown from about 35 percent in 1975 to around 65 percent today. By historical standards, it's not proportionately as high as during World War II -- when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP -- but it's a big chunk of liability.

    "The problem is going forward," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard and Poors, a major credit-rating agency.

    "Our estimate is that the national debt will hit 350 percent of the GDP by 2050 under unchanged policy. Something has to change, because if you look at what's going to happen to expenditures for entitlement programs after us baby boomers start to retire, at the current tax rates, it doesn't work," Wyss said.

    With national elections approaching, candidates of both parties are talking about fiscal discipline and reducing the deficit and accusing the other of irresponsible spending. But the national debt itself -- a legacy of overspending dating back to the American Revolution -- receives only occasional mention.

    Who is loaning Washington all this money?

    Ordinary investors who buy Treasury bills, notes and U.S. savings bonds, for one. Also it is banks, pension funds, mutual fund companies and state, local and increasingly foreign governments. This accounts for about $5.1 trillion of the total and is called the "publicly held" debt. The remaining $4 trillion is owed to Social Security and other government accounts, according to the Treasury Department, which keeps figures on the national debt down to the penny on its Web site.

    Some economists liken the government's plight to consumers who spent like there was no tomorrow -- only to find themselves maxed out on credit cards and having a hard time keeping up with rising interest payments.

    "The government is in the same predicament as the average homeowner who took out an adjustable mortgage," said Stanley Collender, a former congressional budget analyst and now managing director at Qorvis Communications, a business consulting firm.

    Much of the recent borrowing has been accomplished through the selling of shorter-term Treasury bills. If these loans roll over to higher rates, interest payments on the national debt could soar. Furthermore, the decline of the dollar against other major currencies is making Treasury securities less attractive to foreigners -- even if they remain one of the world's safest investments.

    For now, large U.S. trade deficits with much of the rest of the world work in favor of continued foreign investment in Treasuries and dollar-denominated securities. After all, the vast sums Americans pay -- in dollars -- for imported goods has to go somewhere. But that dynamic could change.

    "The first day the Chinese or the Japanese or the Saudis say, `We've bought enough of your paper,' then the debt -- whatever level it is at that point -- becomes unmanageable," said Collender.

    A recent comment by a Chinese lawmaker suggesting the country should buy more euros instead of dollars helped send the Dow Jones plunging more than 300 points.

    The dollar is down about 35 percent since the end of 2001 against a basket of major currencies.

    Foreign governments and investors now hold some $2.23 trillion -- or about 44 percent -- of all publicly held U.S. debt. That's up 9.5 percent from a year earlier.

    Japan is first with $586 billion, followed by China ($400 billion) and Britain ($244 billion). Saudi Arabia and other oil-exporting countries account for $123 billion, according to the Treasury.

    "Borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from China and OPEC puts not only our future economy, but also our national security, at risk. It is critical that we ensure that countries that control our debt do not control our future," said Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a Republican budget hawk.

    Of all federal budget categories, interest on the national debt is the one the president and Congress have the least control over. Cutting payments would amount to default, something Washington has never done.

    Congress must from time to time raise the debt limit -- sort of like a credit card maximum -- or the government would be unable to borrow any further to keep it operating and to pay additional debt obligations.

    The Democratic-led Congress recently did just that, raising the ceiling to $9.82 trillion as the former $8.97 trillion maximum was about to be exceeded. It was the fifth debt-ceiling increase since Bush became president in 2001.

    Democrats are blaming the run-up in deficit spending on Bush and his Republican allies who controlled Congress for the first six years of his presidency. They criticize him for resisting improvements in health care, education and other vital areas while seeking nearly $200 billion in new Iraq and Afghanistan war spending.

    "We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat. "That's fiscal irresponsibility."

    Republicans insist congressional Democrats are the irresponsible ones. Bush has reinforced his call for deficit reduction with vetoes and veto threats and cites a looming "train wreck" if entitlement programs are not reined in.

    Yet his efforts two years ago to overhaul Social Security had little support, even among fellow Republicans.

    Even during the four most recent years when there was a budget surplus, 1998-2001, the national debt ranged between $5.5 trillion and $5.8 trillion.

    As in trying to pay off a large credit-card balance by only making minimum payments, the overall debt might be next to impossible to chisel down appreciably, regardless of who is in the White House or which party controls Congress, without major spending cuts, tax increases or both.

    Polls show people don't like the idea of saddling future generations with debt, but proposing to pay down the national debt itself doesn't move the needle much.

    "People have a tendency to put some of these longer term problems out of their minds because they're so pressed with more imminent worries, such as wages and jobs and income inequality," said pollster Andrew Kohut of the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. E-mail to a friend
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    #2
    LOL I swear the media is so controlled. The article asks? Who is loaning Washington all the money? And they give a list but the one who is loaning the money are the owners of the Federal Reserve. The real owners of this country. Would you like to meet your masters? Here they are.......

    Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin,
    Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris,
    Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam,
    Lehman Brothers Bank of New York,
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York,
    Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.
    "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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      #3
      Here is a good article explaining why the debt is so large and why it can never be paid off. It is designed to never be paid off!!!

      Parabolic Money Supply Growth - The End of Money
      Economics / Money Supply Jan 25, 2007 - 10:18 AM

      By: Dr_Martenson

      "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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        #4
        I've tried to point these things out time and again. We simple cannot afford the current entitlement programs and the national debt. Americans just don't really know how bad we are economically. Everyone is living in a glass house and someone is starting to throw rocks, they just have started with the really really tiny ones.
        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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          #5
          Originally posted by JRScott View Post
          I've tried to point these things out time and again. We simple cannot afford the current entitlement programs and the national debt. Americans just don't really know how bad we are economically. Everyone is living in a glass house and someone is starting to throw rocks, they just have started with the really really tiny ones.
          Are you saying we shouldn't spend 8 billion saving salmon from distinction ?

          Is there a way to get a breakout of where all the trillions are going, maybe any program or category over a billion for starters or is that none of our business as we have trusted government official managing our money ?
          It's not what we have in our lives, but who we have in our lives and the quality of those relationships.

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            #6
            Originally posted by ssdsco View Post
            Are you saying we shouldn't spend 8 billion saving salmon from distinction ?

            Is there a way to get a breakout of where all the trillions are going, maybe any program or category over a billion for starters or is that none of our business as we have trusted government official managing our money ?
            We can start by abolishing the Federal Reserve and IRS along with income taxes since those taxes only pay just on the interest of the Fed debt. Trim back the govt to what it was originally intended like shutting down Depts of Commerce, Education, Homeland Security. Scale back defense spending like getting rid of the wasteful and troublesome CIA like Kennedy wanted to do in the 60's. Pull out of Iraq and Afganistan and stop the policy of pre-emptive wars around the globe. Stop funding Israel. Stop foriegn aid altogether. Abolish Social Security because its just a Ponzi scheme that is going to ehaust itself out. Get americans off welfare programs that just make them lazy and not want to work. Stop being a nanny state to everybody. Give the States back their soveign rights to govern its own problems. Yeah I think these ideas can scale back a govt and its spending.
            "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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              #7
              Originally posted by ssdsco View Post
              Are you saying we shouldn't spend 8 billion saving salmon from distinction ?

              Is there a way to get a breakout of where all the trillions are going, maybe any program or category over a billion for starters or is that none of our business as we have trusted government official managing our money ?

              More than that



              Total receipts

              Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2009 are 2.7 trillion(+7.1%).

              * $1.25 trillion - Individual income tax
              * $949.4 billion - Social Security and other payroll taxes
              * $339.2 billion - Corporate income tax
              * $68.9 billion - Excise taxes
              * $29.1 billion - Customs duties
              * $26.3 billion - Estate and gift taxes
              * $47.9 billion - Other

              * Mandatory spending: $1.89 trillion (+6.2%)
              o $644 billion - Social Security
              o $408 billion - Medicare
              o $224 billion - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
              o $360 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
              o $260 billion - Interest on National Debt
              * Discretionary spending: $1.21 trillion (+4.9%)
              o $515.4 billion - United States Department of Defense
              o $145.2 billion(2008*) - Global War on Terror
              o $70.4 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
              o $59.2 billion - United States Department of Education
              o $44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
              o $38.5 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
              o $38.3 billion - State and Other International Programs
              o $37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
              o $25.0 billion - United States Department of Energy
              o $20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
              o $20.3 billion - United States Department of Justice
              o $17.6 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
              o $12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
              o $11.5 billion - United States Department of Transportation
              o $10.6 billion - United States Department of the Interior
              o $10.5 billion - United States Department of Labor
              o $8.4 billion - Social Security Administration
              o $7.1 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
              o $6.9 billion - National Science Foundation
              o $6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
              o $4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
              o $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
              o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
              o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
              o $7.2 billion - Other agencies
              o $39.0 billion(2008*) - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending

              The financial cost of the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations.
              May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
              July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
              September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                #8
                bmrigs suggests some good things.

                Currently the national debt is 66% of the GDP if you count intra governmental debt that they cannot pay off.

                I would start by eliminating the departments that really should not exist on the federal level. (Education, Energy, Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency, Homeland Security (it makes no sense to have a dept of homeland security and a defense department.....)) Take the savings here which I think is less than 100 billion and apply to the national debt. Time to start paying off the principal.

                Longterm Social Security can't make it. If you'll note it already spends more money than the defense department and that cost is expected by the projections of the office of the president to more than double in the next 20 years. Frankly they've promised what they can't deliver. If we are to keep the program we need to reset the age of benefits to the life expectancy set by your Date of Birth for anyone 40 years and younger. That would still give those people 30 years to plan for their retirement. This will not save money short term, this is planning long term but will keep us from hitting the wall in 20 years.

                Keep in mind the so called National Health Care system is projected to also cost more than the Defense Dept. currently spends Its lunacy to believe we can pay for it.

                Eliminate unemployment, food stamps, wic and similar programs. They are not enumerated powers of the Federal government. This might seem harsh but really speaking it makes no sense to pay people not to work when there are plenty of jobs out there as attested to by the large number of illegal immigrants. Take the money that we would normally spend on these programs and eliminate the corporate tax entirely. This would encourage business to come to America rather than going abroad, we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world. More jobs means more people working.

                Pull back the War on Terrorism to US Soil. This should at least cut spending on this by half. Put all such savings towards the national debt.

                Privatize NASA. The time when governments controlled space is fast approaching an end. Within the last few years we've seen the first civilian astronauts. Civilian corporations can do it for cheaper than the government. I'm a big fan of space and exploration of it but the government cannot do it as well as the private sector. It would be much better off to remove this burden from the government and put it in the hands of capable business men. You guessed it put the funds to the national debt.

                Cut all foreign aid by half (I'd eliminate it all together but that would collapse several economies around the world). Put the savings to the national debt.

                Cut all remaining government agencies by 20%. Put the savings to the national debt.

                Total additional applied to national debt 300+ billion per year. At current projected 2009 levels it would take us approximately 30 years to eliminate the national debt. I'd also pull out of the WB, WTO, and all trade treaties such as NAFTA, CAFTA etc. I'd raise tariffs to encourage domestic production over imports. I'm not suggesting something that will be easy. It means no new federal programs. It means income taxes for individuals remaining at near present levels for the foreseeable future, but at least it doesn't raise them.
                May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bmrigs View Post
                  We can start by abolishing the Federal Reserve and IRS along with income taxes since those taxes only pay just on the interest of the Fed debt. Trim back the govt to what it was originally intended like shutting down Depts of Commerce, Education, Homeland Security. Scale back defense spending like getting rid of the wasteful and troublesome CIA like Kennedy wanted to do in the 60's. Pull out of Iraq and Afganistan and stop the policy of pre-emptive wars around the globe. Stop funding Israel. Stop foriegn aid altogether. Abolish Social Security because its just a Ponzi scheme that is going to ehaust itself out. Get americans off welfare programs that just make them lazy and not want to work. Stop being a nanny state to everybody. Give the States back their soveign rights to govern its own problems. Yeah I think these ideas can scale back a govt and its spending.
                  If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                    #10
                    [QUOTE=JRScott;177810]bmrigs suggests some good things.

                    Take the savings here which I think is less than 100 billion and apply to the national debt. Time to start paying off the principal.

                    You cant pay off the national debt. Its designed not to be paid off. The article above explains when it reads:

                    The key to understanding this situation was snuck in a few paragraphs ago; every single dollar in circulation is loaned into existence by a bank, with interest .

                    That little statement contains the entire mystery. If all money in circulation is loaned into existence it means that if every loan were paid back, all our money would disappear.



                    This is the scam Scott. My alternative would be to tell the owners of the Fed to go f*** themselves and give the goverment back its ability to print money free of interest without the middleman who is the cause of all this economic problems. Of course the owners will cause upheaval initiallly but if we hang of few in a public square then maybe they will back off.
                    "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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                      #11
                      Oh I'd eliminate the federal reserve, but even in doing so you would still have the accrued debt to this point which still would need to be paid off. Congress as per the constitution should be in charge of printing money for the country not the Federal Reserve.

                      It could be paid off if our government was willing, you are right the federal reserve does not want us to pay it off and to many Americans are demanding services we can't really afford leading to more debt. So its kinda a vicious circle.
                      May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                      July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                      September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                        #12
                        Oh another way to trim the govt spending would be to gather all illegal aliens and ship them back to their countries. They are nothing but a drain on the economy and another mouth to feed in a prison cell.
                        "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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                          #13


                          Or Zimbawae 2008
                          "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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                            #14
                            I dont think you guys (hub and Scott) understand what Im saying here. You insist that this debt should be paid off. Why? Alot of it is compounded interest. Look, when this govt went bankrupt in 33' (and still is operating under bankruptcy) the creditors, those owners of the Federal Reserve, confiscated all gold in the country as collateral against the present and future debt at the time. Now since we are off the gold standard and our money is not backed up by anthing at all and cannot be redeemed in anything of intrinsic value like gold or silver, then this is just a fiat currency that can be printed up at whim. It only costs the Federal Reserve $23 of printing costs to the Treasury to print 1000 bills of ANY DENOMINATION. Read that again if you have to. $23 whether its $1, $5, $100, $100,000, $1,000,000 BILLS. Then they give the govt its money and charge interest that add up to millions on a worthless currency that only cost them a tiny fraction to print. Thats on a govt level. How do they rob the consumer? When you go to a bank for a loan, house, car, boat, etc they dont deal with you in currency. Its just digits typed across a computer screen. Joe borrows $200,000 and the loan officer types in 200,000 under his SSN. Nothing was exchanged of value to Joe, not even worthless Federal Reserve Notes. He then pays interest on the loan for 30 years. After the house is paid off, with interest he spent enough to buy 3 houses. And he paid that interest with something of real value, HIS LABOR. But people hardly ever live in a house 30 years so they sell and move and the cycle repeats itself to another sucker. A bank maintains real ownership of the property in most cases. So to conclude this I say, F- them. They got their gold and let them be content with that and all the interest over the years since 33' that Americans paid in their sweat and blood labor. They milked this cow enough. Time to default on that worthless debt.
                            "Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788

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                              #15
                              I'm hearing what could be done but not a reasonable approach as to how to do it. Not that I have any answers.

                              To do the things you're talking it would take bringing together and harnessing the power of the majority of Americans to eliminate a government agency or really address the illegal alien issue.
                              It's not what we have in our lives, but who we have in our lives and the quality of those relationships.

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