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    Bill introduced to discharge private student loans in bankruptcy

    I just found this website and did a search but could not find anything about this.... I thought I would post to make more people aware.

    Senator Durbin introduced a bill (S.1561) on June 7 that would allow private student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy.

    Currently the bill has no co-sponsors and needs support! Calling our senator's offices really does make a difference and will bring more attention to the bill.

    I apologize if links aren't allowed but I checked the FAQ and didn't see anything regarding them.

    To find the phone number for your senators:


    Ask to speak to an aide or staffer working on the bill – S.1561

    When I called I explained the bill to the first person, and he transferred me to the education aide. The first person did not seem to know anything about this bill, which means no one is calling for support!!

    Your phone calls actually make a difference. Please call and urge your senators to support S.1561 allowing private loans to be discharged in bankruptcy.

    Private student loans are not regulated and do not have the same benefits as federal loans, so they should not be considered the same in bankruptcy. In 2005 the law was changed to include private loans and no one is sure how/why this happened. (Federal loans are backed by taxpayer dollars, but private loans are not regulated at all. It makes sense why federal loans cannot be discharged, but it doesn't make sense why private loans are held to the same standard). Interest rates on some of the loans go up to 20% and are worse than some credit cards. They should not be considered the same as federal loans in regard to how they are treated in bankruptcy. They should be treated as any other unsecure debt.

    They may ask for name and address or nothing at all. When I called they didn't ask for any information... they just said thanks for calling and they would pass along the info.


    Progress of the bill:


    Text of the bill:



    **Edited to add clarification regarding what would be discharged:

    Previously, only government issued or guaranteed student loans were protected during bankruptcy – meaning that only federal or state loans were not dischargeable. This protection has been in place since 1978 and was intended to safeguard federal investments in higher education. In 2005, a provision was added that extended the same bankruptcy protections to private lenders participating in the student loan industry. The Durbin bill restores the bankruptcy law, as it pertains to private student loans, to the language that was in place before 2005, so that privately issued student loans will once again be dischargeable in bankruptcy, placing student loan companies in the same position as virtually all other private creditors. The bill also clarifies that existing protections are specific to loans that were issued by or are guaranteed by state or federal governments.


    I feel bad this is my first post but I feel like I will be spending a lot of time here learning about everything. I don't know a lot and just started to research my options when I found this bill. Please consider calling! It will only take 2 minutes!
    Last edited by alyssa; 07-12-2007, 05:43 AM.

    #2
    You need to be a bit more specific about your term "private loans." Do you mean student loans from private companies that are not "Guaranteed Student loans?" Or, do you mean student loans from private lenders that are guaranteed? Guaranteed Student Loans are not discharged in BK. However, private non-guaranteed loans might be discharged. I think this is one of the current issues waiting for resolution in a courtroom somewhere. The term "student loans" under BK laws, most likely was intended for those student loans garuanteed by the US government. For whatever reason, the intent did not necessarily find its way to through the legal proceedings. I think this is up in the air. My loans are guaranteed but held by Wachovia. While Wachovia is a "private" company, the loans are still garuanteed and are therefore not dischargeable. Please summarize your take on the term "private student loans" in this proposed bill.

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      #3
      The draw back to allowing discharge of students loans is that the interest rates on student loans will skyrocket. There was some talk today about capping how much profit a company can make on "guaranteed" student loans. Student loan interest rates are well below "market" rates because they are guaranteed and there is little risk of loss in BK. If you allow the loans to be discharged, interest rates will go up, and the federal govt. will have to allocate more money to subsidize the guarantees.

      Actually, I think the new BK law effectively held that all students loans are now non-dischargeable. (even if "truly" private), but as treehugger1 pointed out, this issue is still up in the air. Also, the government does not directly loan money to students, ALL student loans flow through private companies (banks, non-profits, etc).

      Also, it is hard for me to be sympathetic to persons who take out $100,000+ student loans without really considering the consequences or having a realistic plan about how they are going to pay them back.

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        #4
        If govt funded student loans were ALLOWED to be discharged in bankruptcy THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF KIDS GOING TO COLLEGE....... getting a specialized education, living off cc during that time, THEN file bankruptcy afterwards to walk away with a clean slate to begin "living the good life".....

        Even now most bankruptcy filers loose in bankruptcy..... their credit is ruined, some loose their homes, cars, inheritancs, other assets.... Many are forced to pay back a % of their debts (over 5 years)if their present income warrants it.

        Paying for your education is like paying a mortgage or a car loan....... you want to keep your home/car in bankrutpcy - YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT..... and if you own it free and clear, then they can seize it and sell it to pay your debts.

        Student loans can be discharged in bankruptcy, but only in "hardship cases" determined by the court.... (ex: someone who is injured after their education and is drawing diability etc). This person has no feasible way of repaying that student loan.

        But someone fresh out of college, degree in hand, should be held accountable for that educational loan. Its not a free ride...... even in bankruptcy....... and bankruptcy should never be setup where they have the opportunity to abuse it, just to eliminate educational loans..... (only in hardship cases)....

        My thoughts,

        Minny
        Minny

        "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

        My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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          #5
          This is taken from a story on the bill:

          Only student loans "made, insured, or guaranteed" by a governmental unit would be nondischargeable in bankruptcy (absent a finding of undue hardship). The legislation would allow loans from private or nonprofit lenders to be dischargeable in bankruptcy.

          I have been following all of the things going on in the student loan industry lately and I really do not believe the interest rates will skyrocket any higher than they already are. The lenders are using that to scare people. Congress is seeing the faults of the student loan industry and beginning to fight them - like the current bill that passed in the House that would take away subsidies from private lenders and put it toward more pell grants, lower interest, etc. It is a problemn and is finally getting looked at. Sallie Mae alone is making billions of dollars.. and there is no shortage of companies willing to give loans to students. All of these things will only benefit students, by pushing them to take government loans and not be taken advantage of by private loans.

          Sallie Mae said, in the past month, that perhaps another look at the bankruptcy law is warranted. I don't take a lot from that statement, because their #2 cause in their strategy document is protecting private credit economics, including bankruptcy. But in any event, the loan industry is a huge problem and is finally getting looked at.... because yes, they do take advantage of students.


          You don't have to be sympathetic to people taking out a lot in student loans, but the fact is this county isn't educated on the student loan process, which is another problem congress has been talking about. The sunshine act is a first step at helping this problem. I didn't know I could take out more government loans, so I turned to private/alternative education loans. My loan payments were not what they were originially and keep going up because the interest rate varies. I cannot consolidate because I don't have a co-signer, and because they are private loans I need one.

          The fact is you cannot expect an 18 year old to be knowledgable enough in the loan market to know what to do, ESPECIALLY when the financial aid office is telling them these loans are ok! I am not saying I am ok for taking out this many loans. If these were government loans I wouldn't have a problem because I would have repayment options available. I didn't have a way to pay because my parents were divorced and didn't make a lot of money to begin with. They were living paycheck to paycheck so at the time I thought it was my only option. They didn't go to college so they had no idea how this would affect me now. It is a sad but true fact. My brother passed away... he had 2 kids making the situation worse... I withdrew from school. I lost my financial aid because of this, so I had to re-pay the financial aid from that semester, and for the next few semesters I had to pay without any financial aid. If I wanted to go to school, I thought I had to take out loans. When the school is telling me that is what I need to do, why would I think otherwise? Obviously I know otherwise now, but at the time I was just out of high school and didn't know anything.

          If you have been following the news lately regarding this you would know all of thew issues going on with financial aid admins being paid/receiving stock, etc from private loan companies to push those companies. Had they told me I could take out low interest government loans, I would have done that.

          These are some pages that follow everything going on in the industry right now.
          insidehighered.com
          higheredwatch.org
          projectonstudentdebt.org

          So do I want sympathy?? No.... I want to make more people aware of whats going on right now so we can help change things. There is no reason why these loans should be treated the same way in bankruptcy as federal loans. They should be treated as any other unsecure debt... because that is what they are.

          I wasn't buying new cars and living the good life with the loans. I was going to school and doing what I thought I had to. I WANT to pay, but if they won't work with me, what am I supposed to do and how am I supposed to pay??? I don't just want them erased, I want help and a plan on how to pay them.... but again, if they tell me my only option is to pay the minimum or I will default, what am I supposed to do?

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            #6
            Alyssa, supposed that you only owe a coupled thousands, would you still support this bill, don't pay and fight till the end!?.. or go ahead pay it & forget it and move on !?... or against the bill because other students with 100K should not be forfeited that easily compared to your paying it !?


            In other words, if this bill passed, would/should it set a financial threshold/ceiling on how much the loan balance should be.. or ANY amount/balance!?
            Last edited by BKOnce; 07-12-2007, 05:18 AM.

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              #7
              I was in no way saying people should get a free ride and just declare bankruptcy. I have researched this topic for weeks which is why I feel so strongly about it.

              Government loans would NOT be discharged. ONLY private loans not secured by the government. It is basically a personal loan and should be treated the same as any other. I don't have a problem paying my federal loans... and I WANT to pay my private, but can't.... please read the page below which I think makes more sense than what I can get across.

              This page explains that ONLY PRIVATE LOANS would be discharged.

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                #8
                I would still fight for it because I know so much about the student loan industry because of all of my research. If you researched it I am sure your views would change as well.

                I don't want a free ride, that is NOT WHAT I AM SAYING.

                That would be like me saying everyone here just wants a free ride by claiming bankruptcy. Please.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by alyssa View Post
                  I was in no way saying people should get a free ride and just declare bankruptcy. I have researched this topic for weeks which is why I feel so strongly about it.

                  Government loans would NOT be discharged. ONLY private loans not secured by the government. It is basically a personal loan and should be treated the same as any other. I don't have a problem paying my federal loans... and I WANT to pay my private, but can't.... please read the page below which I think makes more sense than what I can get across.

                  This page explains that ONLY PRIVATE LOANS would be discharged.
                  http://www.senate.gov/~durbin/record.cfm?id=275682

                  Very good!.. then I will support your bill. If this bill passed, I would like to borrow 1,000,000$ for a couple degrees too, no matter how high the interest is.....

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                    #10
                    you are ridiculous... i really have nothing else to say and won't waste my time commenting on that.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by alyssa View Post
                      you are ridiculous... i really have nothing else to say and won't waste my time commenting on that.
                      Ahhh but Alyssa in all true and fairness if you were passionate about this bill and cause....you would have more to say. Because that is exectly the response most americans will give.

                      If it passes then great, lets all just go back to college, not get government loans, make sure they are private, rack up $100,000 for a degree that will allow me to get a job making $35,000 a year and then just declare bankruptcy on it. Free college ride. That's the arguement you will get, and if you or whomever is trying to get the bill passed can't give reason has to how that will not happen, then it's never going to work.
                      "Try to save money. Someday it may be valuable again." - Anonymous

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                        #12
                        Alyssa, unfortunately many students like yourself were coixed into getting student loans that you may have been able to do without and still go to school....

                        Yes, private student loan lenders prey on students..... just as credit card companies prey on getting new card holders...... And many colleges will push the student towards "the private lender" to get their financial support for their schools.

                        Colleges should be "open" to the students in the options that are available to them. Especially low cost govt loans/grants that are there for the asking.....

                        I agree that private lenders of student loans are no different than a signature loan, a car loan, or a mortgage loan. All of which can be discharged in bankruptcy.

                        AND companies (all kinds, banks, cc, etc) would get PAID - INSTEAD OF BANKRUTPCY PAPERS - if they were willing to work with their customers instead of screaming "default"......

                        At my house "a little bird in the hand" is better than "a big bird flying away"......

                        Most of these companies loose money because of their business practices and their own stupidity.......
                        Minny

                        "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                        My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                          #13
                          BKTango,

                          Alyssa is not seeking a "free ride" as some might think..............

                          She's searching for a "sensible way" and a "reasonable rate" that she can afford to pay her student loans back.........

                          Many private lenders have the payments set so high, that even most people could not afford the payment each month..... especially someone just starting out in life.....

                          Same principal of the CC companies raising their interest rates to 30% when your late on a payment........... DUH, all of a sudden your payment doubles..... and most people can't swing it.

                          I don't knock anyone trying to get an education, more power too them. And most "don't want a free ride" so to speak.......

                          BUT they, just like us have to be able to pay rent, buy groceries, each month..... they have to be able to live.....

                          Could any of us pay $1500 a month on a student loan???? Probably not, but we might be able to pay $300 a month on it......

                          The private lender must be realistic about what people can pay back..... just like cc companies have to be realistic about what kind of payments a debtor can pay back when they raise his rates to 30%.............
                          Minny

                          "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                          My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                            #14
                            Please don't misunderstand me, I was not thinking she wanted a free ride. I was telling her to stand up and give arguement and reasoning why she believed in the bill.

                            I was pointing out the typical response she would get, and she would want to give better defense than nothing.

                            What she does want or doesn't is none of my concern. I'm just a believer in fighting for what you want, and giving good reasons why when you get the response that most will give.
                            "Try to save money. Someday it may be valuable again." - Anonymous

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                              #15
                              Personally I feel that if a private lender is stupid enough to loan $100,000 on a "unsecured" signature loan, and knowing it can be discharged in bankruptcy, then he plays russian roullete everyday with his money..... Sorry about his luck if he looses it......

                              At least with govt student loans, they know they are non-dischargable when they sign the dotted line, and they know they have to be paid back....

                              Even mortgages and cars are signatures loans, but they are also "secured" loans with collateral to back them...

                              So lender - BEWARE........ just like buyer - BEWARE!!!
                              Minny

                              "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                              My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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