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    Deep breath and double check before filing....

    Hello all, and let me say this forum is an outstanding resource!

    Here is my scenario:

    Getting ready to file a joint (H/W) Chapter 7 Pro Se in Western District of Washington state.

    We had filed a 13 in Jan 2011 to stave off foreclosure, and it was discharged in August 2011 for non-payment. The attorney we hired said plan payments would be around $600.00, but the trustee set them at $1,600.00. Then my spouse had a stroke and I lost my part-time job. Basically set up to fail from the word go but we struggled through 5 months.

    For various reasons we let it dismiss rather than convert to a 7 at that time. Good thing because I learned later I had missed a couple BIG medical bills.

    House is in foreclosure, sheriff sale in March 2012. We walked away 5 months ago right after the dismissal. Rented a tiny 1 bedroom apartment we can afford.

    Car repossessed at dismissal.

    I had an insurance settlement from an accident of $4,500.00 in November. We used that money to buy a 1997 Ford truck.

    We cashed out my state employee retirement fund of $3,700.00 and used that money to move - deposits, first & last, etc. We had about $900.00 left and used that to buy used furniture and food, etc. for our tiny apartment.

    Our dependent son is in college. So we can still list him as a dependent on taxes.

    We are expecting a refund from our tax return of around $3,900.00 - all of it is credits; EIC and Education. No actual income withholding refunds.

    Our income is my unemployment of $163.00 per week and my spouses VA disability of $1,500.00 plus AF pension of $971.00

    Unemployment will run out in 9 weeks.

    We came in below the means test for a 3 person household.

    So:
    Assets:
    $4,500.00 equity in a 25 year old truck.
    $1,500.00 in clothing and household goods.
    $800.00 in jewelry (wedding set)
    $3900 in anticipated Tax Refund.

    I believe I have preserved all of our assets under Federal Exemptions (Wildcard for the tax refund.)

    Debts: (All charged off/in collections)
    $98,000.00 Mortgage (FHA insured)
    $25,000.00 Medical debt
    $9,100.00 consumer debt (car loan/credit cards)

    This time I listed absolutely every creditor. Every collection agency I have EVER heard from. I ordered all 6 (his 3, my 3) credit reports (free) and included absolutely everyone in there! Even Mann Bracken and Gryphon (?) who had simply made an inquiry last month! I am 100% confident no one was left without an invite to the party this time!

    Questions:

    1. If there is any money left after the sheriffs sale pays the mortgage note is that ours? Should I exempt that? (homestead?)

    2. What pit-falls should I be looking out for?

    3. I chiseled it down to $59.00 in excess income with the standard allowances. Will this be a problem?

    4. How many months bank statements/pay stubs, etc. do I need to show? Do I include those with the filing or bring to the 341?

    5. Capitol One has a judgement, as does another collection agency. What do I do about these?

    6. Do we have to wait for the sheriffs sale? My research says no?

    I think I have this in hand, I have read here and the Nolo book ceaselessly, but ya'll know how those anxieties will keep you up at night!

    Thanks for any insights!
    Patches

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    How does an attorney predict plan payments at $600 and they end up being $1600? I don't really understand that.
    Filed 11/17/11 Chapter 13, 341 meeting 12/21/11. Plan confirmed 1/19/12 - DISCHARGED 12/16/15

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      #3
      Patches.....Welcome. Wow what a yr you had.
      There are a few here from the great state of WA. so many should be able to answer your questions.
      ValleYum is great. And should be able to answer alot of those WA questions.
      Good luck to you.

      hey DO...i was thinking the same. WOW that is ALOT of difference.
      filed: 8/10 ...341:10/8/10 ... Discharged & Close: 12/9/10
      "Nothing is easy to the unwilling" Thomas Fuller

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        #4
        Originally posted by mountanddo View Post
        How does an attorney predict plan payments at $600 and they end up being $1600? I don't really understand that.
        That was our question! Apparently he had neglected to include my husbands VA disability in his initial calculations. He seemed to think it was exempt?
        Rather than double and triple checking - like I would have! - he filed the plan and that set the trustee off.
        Suffice to say we fired him.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DSPatch View Post
          That was our question! Apparently he had neglected to include my husbands VA disability in his initial calculations. He seemed to think it was exempt?
          Rather than double and triple checking - like I would have! - he filed the plan and that set the trustee off.
          Suffice to say we fired him.
          That would seem to be something a bankruptcy attorney should know, or at least know to check if they don't know. Hope that made sense! Good for you for kicking him to the curb.
          Filed 11/17/11 Chapter 13, 341 meeting 12/21/11. Plan confirmed 1/19/12 - DISCHARGED 12/16/15

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            #6
            Originally posted by mountanddo View Post
            That would seem to be something a bankruptcy attorney should know, or at least know to check if they don't know. Hope that made sense! Good for you for kicking him to the curb.
            Apparently he was treating the VA disability as if it were Social Security disability. I guess SSD is exempt from the means test and he thought VA-dis was too? So his initial means test run was way, way off and that is how the plan payment jumped so far up. I figured "He's the expert" and knew what he was doing, but it became abundantly clear he knew nothing about veterans benefits. At our 341 the trustee zeroed in on that right quick - HE knew what VA benefits are!

            Live and learn, then learn some more and do it yourself.

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