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    Question Not sure if we qualify or which way we should go...

    Good morning! Turning to the knowledgable folks for guidance here.

    Hubby and I are not sure which direction to go. Like most folks, our income has suffered severely over the last 4 years and we are in a mess.

    We do have an attorney working on mitigation for our problem right now, but I thought I'd see what others here had to offer/advise in order to help walk us through the best avenue for our situation.

    Our biggest concern at this moment is a HELOC on a primary residence that we lived in for over 10 years (we since moved out of it early this year) after securing a HAMP modification and rented the home out. We are in FL.

    My husband is head of household works for the county. I am an independent contractor who works for a title company doing real estate closings, notary work, etc.

    We also have a horse breeding/sales business that we have been trying to get off the ground for the last 3-4 years (have been reporting same on our taxes). Unfortunately, the horse business has suffered as poorly as the real estate business.

    We borrowed against hubby's 401K to purchase a foreclosed small mini farm that was more suitable for our business as we had tried to sell primary for over 4 years, no luck and it was not sufficient for the business or our current living requirements. We have leased it out for 2/3 of the monthly payment and are paying the difference currently.

    Our HELOC company refused to work with us on a suitable repayment plan and we hired an attorney to try and work out a settlement. They refused and now are sueing us for Contract/Indebtedness in circuit court in FL.

    We had thought about doing a chapter 13 lien strip on this debt, however, since it was not longer our primary, we did not qualify for that.

    Evidently, the lender is not interested in any kind of settlement at this time and we don't want to risk losing everything else we have worked for (vehicles, personal property, etc) because this lender refuses to work with us.

    Although we have been running the horse business as our individual names, we consider most of the assets related to the horse business belonging to the business, even though it is all in personal names...we are working on getting that squared away with our lawyer.

    I have done a means test and it appears we qualify for BK, however, just concerned about one big issue, and this is what this particular HELOC lender wants to get their hands on....we are owed a large mortgage receivable from a property we sold 2 years ago....it was due to balloon in November of last year. We started foreclosure proceedings and the debtor filed a chapter 12 BK on us, so we are not getting anything for some time on this debt.

    My question is, how is something like this handled in bankruptcy, since we are getting nothing for it and don't know when we will?

    I may have just went over everyone's head as our situation is complicated, and we are just trying to find a way to keep this HELOC lender from wreaking havoc on our lives....

    #2
    i was just wondering ...is your horse business an S-Corp? or how is it listed tax "wise".

    is the property with the HELOC which your renting underwater?? also did you take out the HELOC while it was your primary residence? i'm just a bit confused since if it's income property at this point, and not underwater ( doubtful down here in florida..,but could happen). one may think a trustee would consider all of the above as possible assets that can be sold off to pay your debt. which you didn't mention your exact situation, i can apprecate that, but is this just a lack of income situation or are you in debt which you are unable to pay?

    i'm asking all this, because it is somewhat confusing. while your atty is working with the HELOC, are you being advised what type of BK may best fit your needs?
    8/4/2008 MAKE SURE AND VISIT Tobee's Blogs! http://www.bkforum.com/blog.php?32727-tobee43 and all are welcome to bk forum's Florida State Questions and Answers on BK http://www.bkforum.com/group.php?groupid=9

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      #3
      Originally posted by tobee43 View Post
      i was just wondering ...is your horse business an S-Corp? or how is it listed tax "wise".

      is the property with the HELOC which your renting underwater?? also did you take out the HELOC while it was your primary residence? i'm just a bit confused since if it's income property at this point, and not underwater ( doubtful down here in florida..,but could happen). one may think a trustee would consider all of the above as possible assets that can be sold off to pay your debt. which you didn't mention your exact situation, i can apprecate that, but is this just a lack of income situation or are you in debt which you are unable to pay?

      i'm asking all this, because it is somewhat confusing. while your atty is working with the HELOC, are you being advised what type of BK may best fit your needs?

      It is listed as a schedule on our personal tax returns....House that HELOC is on is definately underwater at this time...$525K first, valued at maybe $350K...HELOC is $113K.

      We are having a lack of income to pay the debts monthly, we have assets, just no monthly income to support the payments that the HELOC lender wants. I am assuming a chapter 13 is best...but biggest concern is the mortgage receivable, how would that be looked at in a BK? If the trustee approves the plan, and we get the payoff say, a year or two into the plan, what happens then?

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        #4
        Originally posted by LoveMySinbad View Post
        It is listed as a schedule on our personal tax returns....House that HELOC is on is definately underwater at this time...$525K first, valued at maybe $350K...HELOC is $113K.

        We are having a lack of income to pay the debts monthly, we have assets, just no monthly income to support the payments that the HELOC lender wants. I am assuming a chapter 13 is best...but biggest concern is the mortgage receivable, how would that be looked at in a BK? If the trustee approves the plan, and we get the payoff say, a year or two into the plan, what happens then?
        good question. i think you best post that EXACT question in the area of this forum for chapter 13's http://www.bkforum.com/forumdisplay.php?7-Chapter-13

        we were 7's ourselves and i do believe someone with person experience with a 13 may best be able to help you directly with that question. sorry, i wasn't any help with that one...best of luck and keep posting, someone will chime in with some direction!

        best of luck!X
        8/4/2008 MAKE SURE AND VISIT Tobee's Blogs! http://www.bkforum.com/blog.php?32727-tobee43 and all are welcome to bk forum's Florida State Questions and Answers on BK http://www.bkforum.com/group.php?groupid=9

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          #5
          Ok, I'll try and do that later today. I did go and review my tax returns...our breeding/sales business is filed as Schedule F on our taxes....self employment area for farmers....hmmm...wonder how that is looked at.

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            #6
            Originally posted by LoveMySinbad View Post
            Good morning! Turning to the knowledgable folks for guidance here.

            Hubby and I are not sure which direction to go. Like most folks, our income has suffered severely over the last 4 years and we are in a mess.
            We're all in that same club. Welcome!

            Originally posted by LoveMySinbad View Post

            We also have a horse breeding/sales business that we have been trying to get off the ground for the last 3-4 years (have been reporting same on our taxes). Unfortunately, the horse business has suffered as poorly as the real estate business.
            The horse business has actually suffered more than the real estate business due to some misguided laws by our elected officials. Perhaps you know some magic secret, but unless you have extremely high $$$$$$$$ race or show horses, you're probably not going to every see your investment produce gains.

            Originally posted by LoveMySinbad View Post

            Although we have been running the horse business as our individual names, we consider most of the assets related to the horse business belonging to the business, even though it is all in personal names...we are working on getting that squared away with our lawyer.
            As long as you have not incorporated, then you and your "business" are one and the same.

            One question however, what exactly is your lawyer getting "squared away"? If you're considering filing bk, then this could be detrimental.
            All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
            Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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              #7
              Hi Frogger! What I mean by squared away, is we have a asset protection lawyer working with us on our "farming" business to try and see how that can be redirected. We have formed and LLC at the beginning of the year in order to start operating it, as it has been getting better each year. This is just a big fat mess. I hope we can find some way to fend off this aggressive creditor without them wiping out all we have over one debt. I'm waiting to hear from the lawyer we hired to mitigate the 2nd mortgage, I'm just afraid the HELOC lender is not in a mood to negotiate, they think we have "cash" somewhere, which is so not true...UGH

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