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    Feeling Alone And Stressed - Ch. 7 Filed But Still Buried In Back Taxes!

    Hi gang. I am new to your forum. I am 34 yrs old, divorced, self-employed for 7 years, driven and independent. I've been working on my BK since October of last year. Finally got filed this month. Meeting is 7/23.

    Mine was a three year spiral into debt since being diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. I am a one-person cleaning business so this was a major hit to my income. On top of that, I had a series of events that just cut my legs down til I hit rock bottom.

    Before that, there was the divorce, selling my half of my precious first house to my ex. Then, having my paid-off trusty Toyota from college smashed to smithereens by kids joyriding in a stolen care, (where it was parked in front of a clients house in a nice development, no less!).

    Then there was the Fibromyalgia. After I moved into my current house, a tiny manufactured home in a land-lease park (cheaper than an apartment, btw), I got some sort of flu that never went away! After months of tests and many many sick days, I was diagnosed with this dumbass illness that no one believes, has no real visible symptoms, and has no cure or even a reliable treatment (don't believe those tv ads, I swear).

    After going back and forth with my work schedule while feeling more tired and pained than I, my friends, and family, could understand, I ended up no longer being able to make enough money to pay down my credit card debts from the divorce, new car expenses, vet expenses from my beloved 15-yr-old cat slowly dying from cancer, and my own mounting medical bill copays. I also couldn't pay my ongoing estimated income taxes and land taxes.

    My method of dealing with unexpected expenses had been to work more hours, or pick up a part time job. I always had good credit because of this. In times when that wasn't enough, I could cut my budget down to nothing and go without for long periods of time. This time the Fibro stopped me cold.

    After many months and many tears I reset my life according to my new physical limitations. I have cut back on everything and filed for Ch. 7 to relieve my CC $20K debt. Alone, that would have been difficult to pay on my new income, but combined with over $15K in taxes it was impossible. I now make $28K a year, down from $53K.

    So as much as the bankruptcy is helping, it is not much relief for me. I am still in serious trouble because of my taxes.

    I have worked my budget down to the bone so many times, there is little left to squeeze without selling my car or dropping internet or phone, which are already at the cheapest plans. These things are needed for my business. I have long since denied myself any money for clothes or going out anymore. I don't even keep groceries in the house anymore, aside from milk and cereal and the few needed items, like soap and TP.

    I am having a meltdown weekend. I knew it was coming but held off trying to once again come up with a solution for my backtaxes so I could breathe. Then the not-knowing freaked me out, so here I am, well aware of how much I owe and continue to owe, and still without a viable solution. I feel strangled even with my CC debt out of the picture. How can I fix this? How come I can get my debt discharged but not my taxes?

    (I live alone, in a tiny house. When I am not working, I am home all day, resting, or sleeping many hours. I have chronic full body aches, pains, and fatigue, like arthritis and the flu. A quiet, peaceful, safe living area is required. If I give up this up, I give up everything I work for.)

    I had an excellent credit score my whole life. Was always a budgeter, and well disciplined. I'm living on practically nothing and still feel like I can't make it work. It makes going to work miserable, and I love my job! I love my clients! But I work so hard and it feels like it's all for nothing, and it makes it hard to overcome the fatigue and pain every day to go back. I need the motivation of knowing I have a plan and can see the light, and it's been three years of trying everything possible and still not making it work!

    The hardest part of everything: I cannot physically work more hours than I already do, and I make good money for the few hours I work so I don't even see how I could transition to a non-physical job that gives the same flexibility and sense of fulfillment, and yet pays more. I work three 6-8 hour days a week, and can move folks around as needed. For this I am grossing $28K. (About $25/hr before taxes.)

    Sometimes I feel I can get myself through this. And sometimes, like now, it feels impossible. I am cut down to nothing, financially, physically, and emotionally. There is nothing left.
    341 Meeting: 7/23/10, Chapter 7
    After: Attempt "Offer In Compromise" for backtaxes
    Then: Try for mortgage remodification

    #2
    Why would you file BK on $20,000 credit card debt? Makes no sense. Since you are self employed, you are collection proof. You obviously will have more medical debt unless state assistance kicks in.

    I am sorry for your health issues, but you seem worried about your credit and score.

    Currently owe $60,000 in charged off CC debt and I sleep well at night. I'm collection proof, am proactive were I stash my cash in legal ways and know my rights as a debtor.

    I'm currently amazed the vast do not know their rights as a debtor and are in fear that their credit score will collapse.

    I live on cash, not credit.

    Originally posted by karona View Post
    Hi gang. I am new to your forum. I am 34 yrs old, divorced, self-employed for 7 years, driven and independent. I've been working on my BK since October of last year. Finally got filed this month. Meeting is 7/23.

    Mine was a three year spiral into debt since being diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. I am a one-person cleaning business so this was a major hit to my income. On top of that, I had a series of events that just cut my legs down til I hit rock bottom.

    Before that, there was the divorce, selling my half of my precious first house to my ex. Then, having my paid-off trusty Toyota from college smashed to smithereens by kids joyriding in a stolen care, (where it was parked in front of a clients house in a nice development, no less!).

    Then there was the Fibromyalgia. After I moved into my current house, a tiny manufactured home in a land-lease park (cheaper than an apartment, btw), I got some sort of flu that never went away! After months of tests and many many sick days, I was diagnosed with this dumbass illness that no one believes, has no real visible symptoms, and has no cure or even a reliable treatment (don't believe those tv ads, I swear).

    After going back and forth with my work schedule while feeling more tired and pained than I, my friends, and family, could understand, I ended up no longer being able to make enough money to pay down my credit card debts from the divorce, new car expenses, vet expenses from my beloved 15-yr-old cat slowly dying from cancer, and my own mounting medical bill copays. I also couldn't pay my ongoing estimated income taxes and land taxes.

    My method of dealing with unexpected expenses had been to work more hours, or pick up a part time job. I always had good credit because of this. In times when that wasn't enough, I could cut my budget down to nothing and go without for long periods of time. This time the Fibro stopped me cold.

    After many months and many tears I reset my life according to my new physical limitations. I have cut back on everything and filed for Ch. 7 to relieve my CC $20K debt. Alone, that would have been difficult to pay on my new income, but combined with over $15K in taxes it was impossible. I now make $28K a year, down from $53K.

    So as much as the bankruptcy is helping, it is not much relief for me. I am still in serious trouble because of my taxes.

    I have worked my budget down to the bone so many times, there is little left to squeeze without selling my car or dropping internet or phone, which are already at the cheapest plans. These things are needed for my business. I have long since denied myself any money for clothes or going out anymore. I don't even keep groceries in the house anymore, aside from milk and cereal and the few needed items, like soap and TP.

    I am having a meltdown weekend. I knew it was coming but held off trying to once again come up with a solution for my backtaxes so I could breathe. Then the not-knowing freaked me out, so here I am, well aware of how much I owe and continue to owe, and still without a viable solution. I feel strangled even with my CC debt out of the picture. How can I fix this? How come I can get my debt discharged but not my taxes?

    (I live alone, in a tiny house. When I am not working, I am home all day, resting, or sleeping many hours. I have chronic full body aches, pains, and fatigue, like arthritis and the flu. A quiet, peaceful, safe living area is required. If I give up this up, I give up everything I work for.)

    I had an excellent credit score my whole life. Was always a budgeter, and well disciplined. I'm living on practically nothing and still feel like I can't make it work. It makes going to work miserable, and I love my job! I love my clients! But I work so hard and it feels like it's all for nothing, and it makes it hard to overcome the fatigue and pain every day to go back. I need the motivation of knowing I have a plan and can see the light, and it's been three years of trying everything possible and still not making it work!

    The hardest part of everything: I cannot physically work more hours than I already do, and I make good money for the few hours I work so I don't even see how I could transition to a non-physical job that gives the same flexibility and sense of fulfillment, and yet pays more. I work three 6-8 hour days a week, and can move folks around as needed. For this I am grossing $28K. (About $25/hr before taxes.)

    Sometimes I feel I can get myself through this. And sometimes, like now, it feels impossible. I am cut down to nothing, financially, physically, and emotionally. There is nothing left.

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      #3
      Are you doing this pro se? Why did you file 7 instead of 13? When there are non-dischargeable tax issues, Chapter 13 is usually indicated. The hard part about eliminating tax debt is not so much paying back the tax debt itself, but paying back the taxes AND the interest AND the penalties. You can eliminate that in a 13.

      Or even better, why not wait until your taxes are old enough to be discharged before you file? As Jacko pointed out, you are self employed. It's not like they can garnish your wages.
      Pay no attention to anything I post. I graduated last in my class from a fly-by-night law school that no longer exists; I never studied or went to class; and I only post on internet forums when I'm too drunk to crawl away from the computer.

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        #4
        My taxes are from within the last three years. I don't have much in the way of penalties. I still file my returns. I am doing this with a lawyer. I own a home. What would happen if I didn't file?
        341 Meeting: 7/23/10, Chapter 7
        After: Attempt "Offer In Compromise" for backtaxes
        Then: Try for mortgage remodification

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          #5
          Karona,

          Have you been paying those back taxes via an installment plan or what? Since you have filed Chapter 7, why not consider talking to an attorney about an OIC (Offer in Compromise)? With your health situation since you can document everything, I think you might get a real break. With your earnings, I would bet that you could also qualify for Legal Aid in your area. I had an attorney file a Ch. 7 for me in April and he told me that it had been his experience that after the Ch. 7 was discharged, the IRS often leaves people alone for a while. He urged me to use the time to check out this option. I owe about half of what you do and I am certainly going to find out if anyone can help in getting the amount lowered, and I don't have the health issue you do.

          Fibromyalgia is very real! There are plenty of us out here that know that You absolutely need to take care of yourself in terms of getting enough rest and having peace in your life.

          Hang in there and much joy to you!

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            #6
            Jacko, there is no objective criteria to say that any amount of debt is too small to file BK over. Chapter 13's, in particular, are about getting back in control of ones finances. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to adopt the judgment proof lifestyle (I don't blame them when BK can SOLVE the problem, instead of simply delaying the inevitable).

            So long as you can make your chapter 13 payments, it really doesn't matter how you do it; but you are going down a precarious path because if you don't have the money, you risk the success of your BK.

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              #7
              Fresh, thank you so much for your response! You have mentioned an option that I desperately needed to know about! If you have more info on this please post it. Yes I am on an installment plan. Yes, I can document my health issues. I kicked myself for trying to do everything "right". I didn't pay my income taxes with my credit card and was starting to wish I'd had. I have always been painfully honest about things and sometimes it just seems you don't get rewarded for that. I am second guessing everything now, and it's making me feel worse. But your response and HHM's response help more than you know!

              And thank you HHM! Thank you for not making me the only one who doesn't want to live the judgement-proof lifestyle. I really want to make things right in the best way I can but I don't feel comfortable with trying to hide or play games. And I want the problem SOLVED.
              341 Meeting: 7/23/10, Chapter 7
              After: Attempt "Offer In Compromise" for backtaxes
              Then: Try for mortgage remodification

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                #8
                You also need to get or find a good CPA, if you're only grossing 28K and you're self-employed you should almost pay no taxes.
                Everything you buy is a business expense, especially your health insurance..

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                  #9
                  biotech, the taxes owed are on the years prior, when I made almost double, and 28K is not even really my full income, now that I think about it. My profit/loss sheets come to about 22K. I take every single deduction I can and end up paying taxes on about 17K (if memory serves). I am a bit of a TurboTax nut, but I may just get a CPA for 2010 taxes due to the BK, just to make sure I don't trigger an audit.
                  341 Meeting: 7/23/10, Chapter 7
                  After: Attempt "Offer In Compromise" for backtaxes
                  Then: Try for mortgage remodification

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by biotechsolution View Post
                    You also need to get or find a good CPA, if you're only grossing 28K and you're self-employed you should almost pay no taxes.
                    Everything you buy is a business expense, especially your health insurance..
                    I've been talking this over with another self-employed friend of mine, since my last response. I really do seem to be paying too much in taxes compared to what she makes and pays.

                    On top of getting a CPA to look over this year's coming tax return, I think I will see if the last three need amending (or however many I can still amend).

                    So, THANK YOU, for making me think twice about this.
                    341 Meeting: 7/23/10, Chapter 7
                    After: Attempt "Offer In Compromise" for backtaxes
                    Then: Try for mortgage remodification

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                      #11
                      Sorry. Just realized this thread is a year old!
                      Last edited by crackedmuse; 10-20-2011, 07:32 PM. Reason: Just realized this thread is over a year old

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jacko View Post
                        Why would you file BK on $20,000 credit card debt? Makes no sense. Since you are self employed, you are collection proof. You obviously will have more medical debt unless state assistance kicks in.
                        I've read this a couple of times in the forum and it's starting to bug me a little bit. I filed C-13 and I only have 20k in CC debt as well. I don't make much more than the OP and I think 20k is a huge amount of money. I also was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and lost my job as a result. Not many employers understand how you can function one day and be completely incompaciatated the next. There is no cure and yeah, there is medication if you want to suffer through THOSE side effects for little relief. Fortunately starting Monday I will make a bit more than the OP but by working temp jobs for the last year and a half my income has been about the same. I sure can relate to the cereal and milk being the only thing in the house. Sometimes you have to decide between toilet paper and food.

                        How I wish I could of planned for my C-13 and was able to buy a new car and purchase insurance and staples for my house or even HAVE a house before I filed. I'd be in seventh heaven.

                        I get the impression that some people consider people that file with what they see as a small amount of debt *20k* stupid. 20k worth of debt is more crippling to some people than 360k debt is to others. Even though my DMI is only $100/month that $100 would buy groceries for a month for me. Even if she is collection proof, the stress of dodging creditors and worrying about when the next thing will happen is not a very good mix with Fibromyalgia. Stress aggravates it and it ends up being a vicious circle.

                        I am glad that there are some options out there for the OP because it doesn't sound like a C-7 is going to do much to relieve the stress. I can't imagine how you clean houses and deal with the Fibro.

                        I hope that you check in an let us know what you decided and how you are doing. Feel free to PM me if you need to vent.

                        Sorry for the rant. Must be something in the water tonight.

                        Originally posted by jacko View Post
                        I live on cash, not credit.
                        You must of lived on credit at one point if you have 60k in CC debt.
                        Filed 11/17/11 Chapter 13, 341 meeting 12/21/11. Plan confirmed 1/19/12 - DISCHARGED 12/16/15

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by crackedmuse View Post
                          Sorry. Just realized this thread is a year old!
                          Ah crap, LOL well I guess I got all worked up for nothing. I hate when people reply to old posts. I just click on new posts since your last visit and don't even look at the date. My apologies!
                          Filed 11/17/11 Chapter 13, 341 meeting 12/21/11. Plan confirmed 1/19/12 - DISCHARGED 12/16/15

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