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    The short of it is, we're about $70K in CC debt, 1st Mortgage $235K, 2nd Mortgage $60K. No car payments. I can get detailed about how we got here, if necessary, but that's where we are debt-wise.

    We've canceled all our cards, and 2 have been reworked into a standard unsecured loan with payoffs in 5 years. One had been reworked temporarily with a lower payment, but that has just gone back up. We're barely coming out even...by the skin of our teeth and with help from our families with groceries. At least we're not adding to the debt. However, we have $0 savings, and we're not able to put anything into savings. Both our cars have been neglected in maintenance, and mine in particular is in dire need of repairs that we just can't afford.

    Basically, our financial situation is almost unsustainable at this point and almost lost the house at the end of last year. We're both working full time right now, although my schedule would allow me to pick up a 2nd job. Two kids, elementary and middle school. $0 savings for college for them. At this rate, they'd be out of college by the time we could start to save - I'm afraid even with a 2nd job, it'll be too late for our oldest.

    My thoughts are to file now (7? 13? I have no clue), get the fresh start with all the lessons we've learned so we can start to save for the kids' college and be able to live without the monkey on our backs. My wife, OTOH, has a serious moral wall to overcome (she used to work for Commercial Credit/CitiFinancial and developed quite a snobbish attitude towards non payment of "obligations"). To me, the kids shouldn't suffer due to our screw ups.

    Thoughts? Advice?

    #2
    The first thing for you to do is complete a means test to see where you are in terms of being able to file.

    Your wife's morality excuse is a cover. She's more concerned about stigma.
    Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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      #3
      Originally posted by Matty View Post
      Commercial Credit/CitiFinancial and developed quite a snobbish attitude towards non payment of "obligations"). ups.

      Thoughts? Advice?
      Oh please........ She doesn't think for a moment that Citi didn't pile up at the trough with all the other pigs sucking on the government teat does she?

      The first thing both of you need to do is understand just how deep you're in debt. Talk to an attorney, run the numbers, and make this a business decision, just as Citi and all of those other (insert appropriate curseword here) did.

      Do what's best for your family.
      All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
      Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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        #4
        Stop taking care of the credit card companies and start taking care of your family. Seriously, CC payments over feeding the kids? The banks are doing just fine, they'll be OK without your money. Their multi-million dollar bonuses haven't stopped even in this economy.

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          #5
          Originally posted by frogger View Post
          Oh please........ She doesn't think for a moment that Citi didn't pile up at the trough with all the other pigs sucking on the government teat does she?

          The first thing both of you need to do is understand just how deep you're in debt. Talk to an attorney, run the numbers, and make this a business decision, just as Citi and all of those other (insert appropriate curseword here) did.
          Oh, no. She definitely doesn't think that way, and doesn't have any loyalty to them any more. It's just that being in the credit industry she felt she had to hold herself to a higher standard and I think can't come to the realization that she has become one of the people she's had to call and fight with for payment....

          Originally posted by frogger View Post
          Do what's best for your family.
          Originally posted by Depressed View Post
          Stop taking care of the credit card companies and start taking care of your family. Seriously, CC payments over feeding the kids? The banks are doing just fine, they'll be OK without your money. Their multi-million dollar bonuses haven't stopped even in this economy.
          I think we had conned ourselves into believing we were doing both..... and trying to set the example, "You borrowed it, you have to pay it back." But yeah, having to get help (no matter what form - for the groceries or to pay a bill) I'm realizing we weren't.

          I guess the next step now is to find a reputable lawyer. I assume I'll find tips and tricks somewhere on this site. Are there listings by city/state for decent lawyer recommendations?

          Thanks for the replies!

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            #6
            To add....

            What amounts of money are permitted to be put into savings, for utilities, groceries, insurances, etc.... before paying the CC bills. My concern is that technically our income now may be over the median, but we're still not making ends meet....

            I guess what I'm asking is, how much can you pay yourself before you pay the CC bills? Is there a generally accepted amount? I really need to get out of the mindset of paying them first.....wow...

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              #7
              Originally posted by Matty View Post
              My wife, OTOH, has a serious moral wall to overcome (she used to work for Commercial Credit/CitiFinancial and developed quite a snobbish attitude towards non payment of "obligations").
              "According to CNN, Citi Group got a bailout of $20 billion. They then turned around and raised their customers' interest rate 2 to 3 percent. They also leveled a charge of 11% for ATM withdrawals. They then laid off 50,000 workers and used some of the bailout money to purchase other distressed banks. Citi Group got the bailout and customers got the shaft. Business as usual." - from book BANKRUPTCY, HOW TO SURVIVE AND PROSPER
              Filed Chapter 7 July 2010
              Attended 341 September 2010
              Discharged November 2010 Closed November 2010

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                #8
                Talk to at least 2 or 3 lawyers before you decide. And don't meet with them if they want money at the first meeting.

                I met with two and I knew without a doubt the second one was the one I needed to work with.

                Good luck with your decision!
                attorney consult and decided to file, 02/15/2010
                no-asset Chapter 7 filed, 03/11/2010
                341, 05/10/2010
                discharged, 07/13/2010

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                  #9
                  Well, according to this site: Nolo Bankruptcy Means Test Calculator (specific for my state/zip code), and assuming I did it right (myself + my wife + 2 children = 4 persons in household) we fall under the 4 person/household 6 month average for income level, which means we should pass the means test.

                  Off to search for lawyers.....

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