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    New, My Story and HELP please

    Hello all, my name is Kristie.

    I am 24, married and have an almost 2 year old daughter.

    We have made a lot of mistakes, and Michigans economy has been unforgiving. Let me start from the beginning.

    My husband and I went on the search for a place to live 5 years ago, we wanted to own rather then rent, so we got the best we could for what we could afford, that meant a very nice trailer. Our payments were low, and so was the lot rent, in the last 5 years, the lot rent has gone up $60. Doesn't seem like a lot, but it adds up. In 5 years, the house is now worth less than $35,000, especially when no one is buying, and we still owe $37,500. We had a 2002 truck and a 94 car, we sold the car and bought a used suv for $15,000 at a car lot. 1 year later we had to sell the truck because it had a higher payment and we owed less on it, so we were able to get rid of it free and clear. That was a bad choice, considering the truck was worth money, and the suv is now worth $3,000 less than what we owe on it.

    Then we had our daughter, who costs WAY more then the $1,000 the government gives us every year. After awhile my husband decided he wanted to go to college to pursue a better career, he opted for ITT-Tech because he loves computers, well, he got through 3 terms before the school told him that they could not loan him anymore money and if he wanted to continue he'd have to pay out of pocket...nope! At this point we were already in trouble, and he should not have gone to school, but he thought it was for the best. Anyways, we are now $15,000 in debt to them for less than half of what classes he needs to graduate.

    Soon after his job stopped paying for his gas. That hurt.

    Lets do an example, he made $500 a week take home, the gas they paid was like getting an extra $500 check a month, free. When they took it away, it was like being hit twice, not only is it losing that extra but now its losing the actual, so one paycheck per month was gas! They also used to pay his $80 a month cell phone bill, which was then cut off, so we had to get a cheap family plan. Then making only $15 an hour got us nowhere, we had $1500 a month after gas, $700 paid our house, $400 paid our car and insurance, then $300 paid the utilities. That left us with $100 left, nope, thats the phone bill. So we were left with NO money, we paid all of our bills with the money and all of our expenses, medical, food, clothing, and even other credit card bills were being paid with credit cards! So at this point we have accumulated $15,000 in debt to credit cards.

    My husband lost his job 3 weeks ago, he moved all the way to texas, and managed to find a job that pays $10.50. Way below what we couldn't survive on! I don not work because his schedule was unpredictable and the amount I could make working would pay for childcare, thus making it completely useless. My husband is away from her enough, she needed to see one of her parents.

    He has not gotten his first check yet, the house payment is due, the utilities have been shut off, except water, the lot rent is due, 2 credit cards are due and I am living in a home with my daughter with no car, no money and my parents a few steps away to at least feed us. His paychecks when they come will not cover the bills, even without the utilities.

    We are wanting to file Chapter 7, we are going to talk to an attorney tomorrow, well, me by myself. My husbands name is on ALL of the accounts, I am on NOTHING, and this is going to prove very difficult with him in Texas working full-time.

    It isn't bad yet, we aren't actually past due, we don't owe late fees, creditors arent harrassing me yet, but all the bills are coming now, and there is not a penny to my name or his. I don't want to live the next year of my life being sued and followed and having things taken from me.

    I am supposed to be responsible for putting a roof over my daughters head, putting food on the table and keeping her safe.... I AM FAILING!

    Is there anything I should know. Is there any hope? I know they are supposed to be able to protect our house and car, but I really just want them to take it, I cannot make any more payments on the house, even if they lower it I still owe lot rent, and with his lower check, the lot rent will be one check out of 4 a month. Thats too much. We owe more on the house then what its worth, and more on the car than what its worth, I almost wish they would take the car too, public transportation is fine, being out the bill is all we need.

    We have a tendency to lose money to scammers, we've had a LOT of bad luck and dumb choices in the past 5 years.

    Thanks for reading, I just need to vent.
    - Filed BK on July 24th
    - 341 Meeting on September 9th
    - Last Day For Objections is November 10th

    #2
    Bk won't help unless you increase your income. You need to figure out a way to work as well. Can you leave your child with your parents and start working 2nd or 4rd shift?
    BK is the least of your issues now. Stop paying all stuff that will eventually be discharged in bk and start working on raising your income. Hopefully your husband is looking for a better job. Is it possible for him to find some weekend/pt work in addition to whatever he's doing?
    Don't worry about what creditors may do. You have nothing they can take.

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      #3
      You've come to the right place, you'll find lots of information and support. Going to an attorney is a good first step, but interview several before you make a decision. Have all your debts and expenses listed, paystubs, tax returns, etc. Stop paying your cc's (and stop charging) if you've made the decision to file, you'll need that money.
      Thank goodness you live near parents who can help out, that family support is priceless.
      Take a breath, it will be ok...not right away, but eventually.
      Let us know how things work out for you.
      04/04/08 filed Ch. 13
      5/08/08 341 hearing
      6/12/08 Confirmed

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        #4
        I agree with keepmine, you should talk to your parents about watching your daughter while you look for a job and hopefully get a late shift job so you can work.

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          #5
          I disagree in that Bk would help alleviate some of the stress the op is feeling. I also think moving in with parents for a minute until your husband gets settled is a good idea too. Your husband will HAVE to attend the 341 meeting in Michigan. But you can walk away from it all. Do you live near a community college? They are much cheaper than ITT tech. And if the loans were guaranteed by the federal government, you won't get away from them.

          But for now, get your priorities straight. Move in with parents, provide for your daughter and then go from there.

          Hopefully one set of parents is willing to take you in. The other thought would be to go to texas, live there 6 months and then file for everything you left behind in Michigan. GL

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            #6
            Did I miss the part about OP moving in with parents?


            Originally posted by rrockinggramma View Post
            I disagree in that Bk would help alleviate some of the stress the op is feeling. I also think moving in with parents for a minute until your husband gets settled is a good idea too. Your husband will HAVE to attend the 341 meeting in Michigan. But you can walk away from it all. Do you live near a community college? They are much cheaper than ITT tech. And if the loans were guaranteed by the federal government, you won't get away from them.

            But for now, get your priorities straight. Move in with parents, provide for your daughter and then go from there.

            Hopefully one set of parents is willing to take you in. The other thought would be to go to texas, live there 6 months and then file for everything you left behind in Michigan. GL

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              #7
              no I saw the another suggestion about leaving daughter with parents and misread. But getting a job in Michigan is next to impossible right now.

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                #8
                I have tried to find work, and to no avail. I cannot ask my parents to watch her, they both work full time, and my husbands parents aren't... well, i would never leave her with them. I babysit when I can, right now I am watching 2 kids, along with my own, for a few bucks an hour.

                My husband CAN'T be at the 341 meeting, he can't afford to drive here (his new job is still just training, they'll never allow time off), and he cant fly here because he can't afford to do so. We just can't stand the thought of calls 24/7 about our credit cards not being paid.

                We don't expect to get out of the school loans, we sort of knew that was something we won't win. The only thing we have is a car and house, both worth less than we owe, but he sort of wants to keep the car, he doesn't mind them taking it, but would like to keep it.

                Oh, and I am sure he can get another job, BUT this job has no set schedule, so he could be working anytime of the day, any day of the week, so another job would be darn near impossible. When training is over and the original probation is over then he gets a $1 raise. We found an apartment who will accept us with a double pre-payment... whatever that is, and they are about a 15 minute walk from a big mall, where i plan to find work so that I in turn do not need a vehicle or to spend gas.
                So, do we stop paying on the trailer (i still HAVE to pay lot rent, they are just waiting to sue me, its due today actually), and my credit cards? We're afraid of the unknown at this point, we know this is going to happen, but we are afraid to know what it all means. Because we have nothing to lose I just expect to have bad credit for years, but what can happen next?

                I think you for your replies, I am just at a bad point, and I am having panic attacks too often.
                Last edited by TooBrokeToJoke; 05-04-2008, 11:56 AM.
                - Filed BK on July 24th
                - 341 Meeting on September 9th
                - Last Day For Objections is November 10th

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                  #9
                  Today, with this bad world economy, it is better for everyone to stay single, or at least wait until AT LEAST the following conditions are met (after then marry & produce another burden on shoulder) :

                  1) You are 30+,

                  2) You have stable job or carreer,

                  4) You have enough cash savings and not credit cards to rely on,

                  5) You own small or used car, and not rely much on GAS$, and can afford a place to live, or at least support 1 or 2 dependents?

                  6) Any More??

                  Man, this gas things gonna kill everybody (SINGLE Or MARRIED), every household, every country(for foods, etc.)... and definitely will STAY with us for a LONG, LONG.... TIME!... It's a sad fact but true ladies & gentlement!

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                    #10
                    TooBroke...there are so many like you (young couples with children right now) struggling to survive due to job losses or loss of hours/benefits in a job, and also depending on where you live. Michigan is just in a horrid state right now. I still would consult with your parents right now about anything they can do to help or hellp keep you on your feet or provide some support until you and your hubby can come to some sort of conclusion as to your entitle personal and financial lives. There is also public assistance available if you are struggling or maybe some local churches that can give you financial help and support in the interim. That is up to you since you are the one who will have to pick up the phone and inquire.

                    Many people will have to change their lives for years to come as a result of this economy which will not turn around for a while. Just remember it is not the end of the world and you still have your health and family - you will eventually get this all resolved.
                    _________________________________________
                    Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
                    Early Buy-Out: April 2006
                    Discharge: August 2006

                    "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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                      #11
                      File for assistance with the DHS office now!

                      Kristie,

                      I'm not sure if it's the same in MI, but in my state, if you have a note from your doctor saying you have a young child in the house the power co. will not shut your power off for non payment. There is also a program called Access here that helped us (they paid $800 towards our power bill).

                      Call your local DHS (Department of Human Services) office and see what they can do for you re: food stamps, help with utilities, etc. They may also be able to help you find a job with state paid daycare.

                      Good luck!

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                        #12
                        Well, you're going to need to figure out something other than "I can't". $10.50/hr will doom you to poverty even if you file for bk today. The debt isn't the problem right now. Lack of income is your most pressing issue. So what if you get letters and phone calls and lawsuits. There is just nothing to take.
                        You really need to talk with your folks and see if the child can stay with them while you work nights at WalMart or Target,etc.

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                          #13
                          I am sorry you are going through this. But in a way - it is fortunate that your husband chose Texas rather than another state because in Texas, creditors cannot garnish your paycheck and also, Texas is a very friendly debtor state.

                          Is there any way at all that you can move down there to be with your husband? Where is he living? Does he have his own place?

                          I agree with other posters - you both have to improve your financial situation. If you think you and your husband could build a life in Texas, you can walk away from your house & take the time to get settled, prepare for bk - just make sure to try to pay student loans in the meantime because those debts cannot be discharged. Even if you have to work nights while your husband works days - but at least you will be together as a family unit.

                          And yeah - doesn't matter if creditors are calling - you guys have nothing to take.
                          Filed Chapter 7 Pro-Se May 29, 2008
                          341 July 1, 2008
                          Discharged September 4, 2008
                          Closed November 10, 2008 :-)

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                            #14
                            Why won't your parents let you move in with them while you get on your feet? They can watch your child during the evening while you work part time. There is tons of work to be found online as well....
                            It CAN be done...
                            Filed: October 1, 2007 341: December 10, 2007
                            CONFIRMED: December 10, 2007
                            Payment: $825 / Mo. for 5 Years-29 MONTHS OF Pmts Down 23 to go!

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                              #15
                              Not everyone has parents that would do this. I for one don't. In fact, I'm where I am because my parents were not supportive of me when I first started out. So people need to keep this in mind. The OP needs to try to figure out what she and her husband can do on their own.
                              Filed Chapter 7 Pro-Se May 29, 2008
                              341 July 1, 2008
                              Discharged September 4, 2008
                              Closed November 10, 2008 :-)

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