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    Is your State a lien theory state or a title theory state???

    TITLE Theory States v LIEN Theory States




    what does this all mean????


    there are two basic theories of ownership under the various state property laws.

    in a lien theory state, the borrower owns title to his or her home despite the outstanding mortgage obligation. in addition, the borrower holds the deed while they’re making the mortgage payments. they’re considered homeowners even though the bank has a security interest in their property.

    in a title theory state, the borrower receives a deed to his or her home. however, they don’t actually keep title to the property during the term of the mortgage. In exchange for financing the home, the borrower allows the lender to hold the deed in trust pending payment of the loan. the borrower doesn't actually own the home until the mortgage has been paid and the lender releases the deed.

    these competing ownership theories have a big impact on state foreclosure laws. in lien theory states, where the borrower is the rightful owner to the property, it's harder for a lender to foreclose on the home, and usually requires court oversight of the entire process.

    in title theory states, where the property is technically owned by the lender, it's much easier for the lender to foreclose on the home through a more informal sale at the courthouse steps after a basic notice period.

    ie example: (just because that is where the property we own is)...New Jersey is known as a lien theory state where the property acts as security for the underlying loan. the document that places the lien on the property is called a mortgage.

    in title theory states, the lender already owns your house and all you have to do is give up the right to get it back. this is called the right of redemption. while you cannot force a lender to foreclose, you can eliminate the need to do so. since you have given up the right to get the property back, there is nothing to foreclose. the lender is now the owner.

    this may be why some people are not getting foreclosed on as quickly as they think they should, or possibly NOT AT ALL!!!!

    interesting stuff! now it puts the judicial and non- judicial processes a bit in prospective.
    Last edited by tobee43; 04-29-2012, 07:08 AM.
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    in lien theory states, where the borrower is the rightful owner to the property,
    Not bad, but the line I quoted is a bit melodramatic, and actually is inaccurate. Under both types, the borrower is the rightful owner of the property. It is just that the mechanics of how the security interest is handled is different. In a title theory state, real estate is handled like most states handle vehicle titles. The lender "holds" the "paper title" until the loan is satisfied, but the buyer still owns the car (land).

    The discussion above leaves off the 3rd variation, or better understood as a sub variation of title theory which is "deed of trust." Not to get into too much, but basically instead of the lender holding the "paper title" the title is placed with a 3rd party trustee. In this variation, the lender is made a "beneficiary" of the deed of trust. In title theory, the lender holds title as "security", and in a lien theory the buyer holds the "paper title" and the lender is given a "lien" on the property.

    Under all variations, the buyer owns the property. But yes, if the question is about foreclosure, lien theory states tend to have more rigorous foreclosure processes.
    Last edited by HHM; 04-29-2012, 07:43 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by HHM View Post
      Not bad, but the line I quoted is a bit melodramatic, and actually is inaccurate. Under both types, the borrower is the rightful owner of the property. It is just that the mechanics of how the security interest is handled is different. In a title theory state, real estate is handled like most states handle vehicle titles. The lender "holds" the "paper title" until the loan is satisfied, but the buyer still owns the car (land).

      The discussion above leaves off the 3rd variation, or better understand as a sub variation of title theory which is "deed of trust." Not to get into too much, but basically instead of the lender holding the "paper title" the title is placed with a 3rd party trustee. In this variation, the lender is made a "beneficiary" of the deed of trust. In title theory, the lender holds title as "security", and in a lien theory the buyer holds the "paper title" and the lender is given a "lien" on the property.

      Under all variations, the buyer owns the property. But yes, if the question is about foreclosure, lien theory states tend to have more rigorous foreclosure processes.

      hhm, that's why you are here to give that 3rd variation, and i should have known that although many attys never even mention these terms to their clients, you would know exactly what and how they work. i also think a point here is why the banks are in no hurry in the lien theory states, it's no sweat for them either way, so actually i would think it would more likely be the title theory states which act on foreclosures faster or the process is swift, since they do not have to go through the judicial system? did i miss something?


      HA!!!!!! i forgot
      Not bad, but the line I quoted is a bit melodramatic, and actually is inaccurate.
      ok i'll take an A- LOL!
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        #4
        Very interesting! Love these types of threads. Thanks Tobee.

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          #5
          Originally posted by df04527 View Post
          Very interesting! Love these types of threads. Thanks Tobee.
          you're most welcome
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            #6
            Yes, thank you as it explains why it is going so slowly with our rental property in Ohio (of course there is an HOA attached to this one so why not make it longer ) . Of course things are moving much quicker here in NC with our primary home.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Drazil65 View Post
              Yes, thank you as it explains why it is going so slowly with our rental property in Ohio (of course there is an HOA attached to this one so why not make it longer ) . Of course things are moving much quicker here in NC with our primary home.
              sometimes i wonder if it 's just the banks or the types of property that may also influence the expediting of the process?? it's so hard to know the answer.
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                #8
                Its BOA need I say more!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Drazil65 View Post
                  Its BOA need I say more!
                  not a word more!!!
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                    #10
                    Thanks for the info. We're in Illinois and about $100,000 under water on this house. If I were to inspect it today I would recommend tearing it down due to major structural defects.
                    Just filed CH7 and we're oping to stay here for at least 1 year or more so we can pay cash for a house when we finally leave. Being in an L state may be to our benefit. And the loan is with BOA.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ottoagain View Post
                      Thanks for the info. We're in Illinois and about $100,000 under water on this house. If I were to inspect it today I would recommend tearing it down due to major structural defects.
                      Just filed CH7 and we're oping to stay here for at least 1 year or more so we can pay cash for a house when we finally leave. Being in an L state may be to our benefit. And the loan is with BOA.
                      i agree, and actually had the expenses not been so high with our property in new jersey we would have done the same. however, for what it costs us just in heat and electric monthly we found that we could live in florida covering ALL and every expense since it cost us over $1200 for just those two expenses! we were better off leaving. it's well over 4 years since we vacated the house, and now Chase called last month to find out what are intentions were about the house?? LOL!!!
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                        #12
                        I'll stay up here. This is a very small house and it's just me, the wife & 2 dogs. Similar homes in our neighborhood are selling for $35-50K so if I can stay for a year or more I should be able to pay cash no mortgage, no loan applications, no down payment. I service commercial/industrial hvac equipment and the Chicago area is a great place to be for that job. Florida does not pay as well and the travel is too much for an affordable home or the homes are too expensive in the big cities.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ottoagain View Post
                          I'll stay up here. This is a very small house and it's just me, the wife & 2 dogs. Similar homes in our neighborhood are selling for $35-50K so if I can stay for a year or more I should be able to pay cash no mortgage, no loan applications, no down payment. I service commercial/industrial hvac equipment and the Chicago area is a great place to be for that job. Florida does not pay as well and the travel is too much for an affordable home or the homes are too expensive in the big cities.
                          sounds like a perfect plan!!!!!

                          you are very correct, florida pays terrible! and food is sooooooooooooo expensive! unreal. although other expensenses are less, however, not many. so i believe you are doing the right thing!
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                            #14
                            Besides, I would miss the snow.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ottoagain View Post
                              Besides, I would miss the snow.
                              i promise you, you won't!!! i just loved the black ice the very best! LOL!!
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