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    Giving up the house...

    So here's my situation:

    Last year my husband was offered a job in California (we were in MD at the time) that was a great opportunity for us. At the time we had no idea where the market and economy was headed. He took the position and relocated in December. We made some repairs updates to the house as advised by our RE agent, and put it on the market in the spring.

    Long story short, the house hasn't sold, were currently listed at a break-even amount (which doesn't begin to pay for the thousands of dollars we still owe on the repairs and updates) with barely no showings or interest at this point. We had one offer that fell through after the appraisal came back at "substantially lower" than the asking price. They wouldn't tell us the exact number, of course.

    Our lender says they don't do short sales unless you're behind in payments, which so far we're not, and we were trying to keep it that way because we're in a very small apartment in a not so great neighborhood that was supposed to be temporary until our house sold, and desperately need to move into a more suitable rental home for the long term.

    Anyhow, after months of paying both a rent and a mortgage our savings are gone, the credit cards, while not maxed, are about as high as we can afford to go with the current rent/mortgage situation. A lot of our relocation costs had to be charged so they're several thousand dollars higher than before we moved, and expected to pay off with the proceeds from the house, which isn't going to happen.

    We had a few unexpected bills (emergency room visit-- hello deductible) and we're now looking at either falling behind in our payments or resort to living off our credit cards (which will eventually get us to the point where we fall behind with a bigger balance to deal with)

    We don't qualify for Chap 7 so we can't use that to get us out from credit card debt if we go that route anyhow.

    I've scrimped and saved as much as I can to keep us afloat and there's very little left in our budget that isn't a necessity. We've stopped paying into our 401k, we never eat out, our "new" clothes are second hand and only when absolutely necessary, we canceled things like netflix and other subscriptions, I cut everybody's hair (including my own), and we only get basic cable and internet access (cable modem) because my husband requires high speed internet for work. It's all very depressing because we're actually making more money than we ever have, we should be having a good life, not living paycheck to paycheck!

    Something has to give. I'm inclined to say it's the house. We're not living in it, every payment we make is money lost as the prices of homes in the area continue to drop and we get more upside down every month. We're not gaining any equity at all with these payments, and we're still carrying insurance costs, taxes and utilities (though considerably less than if we were living there, we still have to keep the house heated at least to a minimum, and have kept the other utilities on for prospective buyers)

    I'm confused by our options though. Everyone says do a short sale it's better, but you have to find a buyer first, and get the bank to approve it and then half the time it all falls through anyhow. Is this really a good option?

    We could try deed in lieu of foreclosure, but I'm not sure if we could do that because refinanced not that long ago. The money, for the most part, was put back into the house for some badly needed updates and repairs. It's pretty old.

    Or we could just stop paying and let the bank initiate a foreclosure. Again, how would this affect our ability to rent next March when our lease is up and we are able to move into something more suitable?

    Since Md allows deficiency judgments, we may need to file Chap 13 after its done as well, so I'm pretty much resigned to having our credit scores tank after all is said and done, my concern is right now. How hard is it to rent a place while going through a foreclosure or short sale, and what about stopping payments? How long does it take for those missed payments to start showing up on your credit?

    It's all very confusing, most of the info out there seems to be geared toward saving your house-- but we don't care about "saving it" we don't live in it, and can't move back into it even if we wanted to because it's on the wrong side of the country from my husband's job. There's no equity to save at this point.

    It's doing us no good at all to keep it. We considered renting it out, but we'd be coming up short about $500 every month, while that could buy us time, its not tenable for the long term and having a tenant would only make selling it that much harder.

    Any advice on what steps to take? And I get conflicting info online about having a lawyer for a foreclosure. There don't seem to be many foreclosure attorneys anywhere in the area our house is located, or do we need one in CA since that's where we live now? Or do we not need one at all?

    Is there anyone that we should have on our side for all of this? Should we talk to a bankruptcy attorney now in case there's a deficiency judgment and we need to file after the fact?

    I'm unsure what our first steps should be. Any advice?

    #2
    You aren't alone. My husband is living in Ohio right now and we are still here in Wisconsin and were going to stay here and try to sell in the spring. But like you... it won't happy. We are so upside down because of the market and we didn't even get a risky loan. We can't afford to keep paying to live in two places. OUr house will never sell. So we decided a week to just leave it and go to Ohio. Our family has to be together. We maxed out our cards just living this past year since my husband was without a job.

    Honestly i would just stop paying the mortgage, get a new rental NOW... one that you can see yourself staying in for a while. Before your credit gets bad. Then just let the house go.

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      #3
      Goodness, I didn't realize I wrote such a novel when I first posted!

      Thanks for the kind words hopeforus. It's helpful just knowing other people are in the same position and have done what you're considering doing. It's all so depressing and stressful.

      Our biggest problem is that we can't afford to save up for a security deposit because every last cent is going to pay bills/rent/mortgage. The only way to get the cash we need to move is to stop paying for at least month and hope it doesn't get reported until we've passed the credit check stage. Oh, and also that we have a lease until the end of February on the tiny apartment which puts us in the position of having to stay current on all of our bills for at least another two months. I guess we'll have to resort to the credit cards anyhow until we can get over that hump.

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        #4
        That's what we are doing. This will be our first missed payment on the 4th and we get paid at the end of the month. So we are just taking money from our paycheck and hoping to secure a rental on the 1st. We get paid once a month so we are able to do this right away.

        Hubby also has an efficiency apt he just rented only a month ago. 10mos lease. No idea what we will do about that one...

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          #5
          oh and i am the novel writing queen... just go look at my very 1st post here haha

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            #6
            How about leasing the house?

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              #7
              You mean renting out our house in MD?

              We considered that but it won't cover the mortgage. We'd be short $400-600 a month. I was into the idea at first. I thought it would give us enough breathing room to get on our feet, but now I'm not so sure it would do that.

              I don't think we'll get enough additional money to cover all the expenses of being a landlord (we'd have to put money away against future repairs or as a buffer between tenants and because we live so far away we'd need a management company as well) and get us into a position where we can pay off our bills and have a reasonable living situation again.

              There's a real good chance we'd end up in the exact position we are now, only a few years down the line-- no real savings, high debt, and mounting expenses that we can no longer cover. Only the house may just well be worth less at that point, making it even worse.

              I think I'd rather be a few years into the recovery process, instead of just starting to go down the bath to foreclosure/bankruptcy at that point.

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                #8
                That's why we aren't renting out house out here in WI. We would be out money on top of having to live somewhere else. Not to mention the need to have money in the bank in case of emergencies arise at the rental. Forget that.

                Not worth the stress of that.

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                  #9
                  Yeah, it seems like way too much work and risk for too little return.

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                    #10
                    In The Same Boat

                    Hi.

                    I have a similar situation.

                    My husband was losing his job. We lived in Michigan. The economy is so bad there. So he found a very good job in Georgia.

                    We could not afford to have him live in Georgia without us very long. We decided to move to be with him and live as a family together and let the house go in Michigan.

                    We were very upside down on the house and it was just not going to sell. The new company paid to have all of our things moved to the new state. So we decided to walk away in August.

                    I stopped paying the mortgage as soon as we moved. I wrote a letter and sent the keys back to the mortgage company. I sent everything certified mail. I asked them to contact us only in writing and they have agreed to this as well.

                    I just received the foreclosure notice and the sale date from their attorney and I am somewhat relieved.

                    We started off in an apartment, but decided to break the lease and move into a house that a builder offered to lease to us. We had to pay a fee for doing this so money is very tight now. It took the mortage company a long time to report our late payments to the credit agencies so our credit remained good up until last month. So we decided while our credit was good to move into the house and sign a lease for 3 years. The house is new so it is exciting in that since and the payments are half of what we were paying on our house in Michigan.

                    It does make me sad sometimes to think about losing our home, but I have to remember that this was our only option.

                    I am still waiting to see what the mortage company does about a deficiency judgment before we know if we will file for bankrupcty or not. We will probably not qualify for a chapter 7 so we would have to do a 13.

                    Nice to know that I am not alone in this and hopefully it helps you to know that as well.

                    Faithfully

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