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    Original Creditor filing a lawsuit against a dead person

    Here’s a question I would like to ask for a relative.

    A certain relative, we’ll call him “Jimmy”, died owing about $100,000 to a credit card company called Wells Fargo.

    Jimmy is the only person who signed for that credit card. It was in his name only. He did not have any co-signers or authorized users, nor did he let anyone use the card. He was the only one who used the card. He was the only one who was legally responsible for the card.

    For a brief amount of time before he died, Jimmy lived with his aunt “Linda.” Jimmy did not own the house. It was always Linda’s house. Jimmy just lived there for a while. Jimmy and Linda have the same last names because they are relatives.

    About a year after Jimmy died, Linda heard a knock on her door, and opened it to find a process server at her door. Wells Fargo has filed a lawsuit against Jimmy, and they have served the papers at his last known mailing address, which just happens to be Linda’s house. They are suing a dead person. They did not list Linda’s name on the papers. Just Jimmy’s name.

    No probate was ever started by anyone because Jimmy was extremely insolvent at the time of his death. And Linda is not next of kin. She is merely a relative who let Jimmy stay at her house to keep him from becoming homeless.

    Linda wants to know…

    1. The easiest and cheapest thing to do is to simply do nothing. If she does nothing, Wells Fargo will get a judgment against Jimmy for $100,000. What would be the consequence of doing this? Could Wells Fargo put a lien on her house? They have the same last names, does that matter? They sent the process server to her house, does that matter?

    2. Linda thought she might send a letter to the attorney for Wells Fargo by certified mail and enclose a copy of Jimmy’s death certificate. What would this do to the lawsuit? Can Wells Fargo legally sue a dead person
    Last edited by GoingDown; 04-04-2009, 08:43 AM.
    The world's simplest C & D Letter:
    "I demand that you cease and desist from any communication with me."
    Notice that I never actually mention or acknowledge the debt in my letter.

    #2
    This seems to be a growing collection tactic: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/bu...nted=1&_r=1&em

    I believe that your relative may have a right to countersue for harrassment. A NACA attorney in her area could help - and may very well take the case on contingency.

    Go here for help: http://www.naca.net

    I do think that she should send a certified copy of the death certificate to the attorney bringing the suit and remind them that they were well aware of his death as of ____(date) because of previous correspondence. But, she may want to speak to the NACA attorney before she sends out that letter just so she can put this to bed once and for all.
    Filed CH 7 9/30/2008
    Discharged Jan 5, 2009! Closed Jan 18, 2009

    I am not an attorney. None of my advice is legal advice in any way..

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      #3
      I would say the Aunt should do nothing. She didn't get served, Jimmy did. Wells Fargo can take Jimmy to court and get a judgment but Jimmy has no assets.

      I guess they can chase Jimmy down, but the last I knew, once you get in Heaven or Hell, you can't get out.
      Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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        #4
        I concur, do nothing. Let these clowns waste as much money as they can chasing a deceased debtor.

        Curious, wouldn't a skip tracer do a search of death certificates as a normal course of action?
        Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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          #5
          You can sue an estate, but if he in his life did not own anything, nothing can be collected. I would say with no hesitation, that Jimmy is as about Judgment proof as they come. The relative does not have a thing to worry about but may just be fortunate enough to sue the collection agency for defamation of character and/or harrassment.

          Here is a bit of true story, my ex-wife walked into her bank wondering why her checks were bouncing. The wide eyed clerks almost fainted. Ma'am you are dead. Obviously she was not. The account was closed and without a fight they were not going to make the checks good. Seems in the obituary, by coincidence her name was listed, exact age, and same town. My wife then asked the bank president, don't you check through SS number? This is the first I've heard that I died and YOU WILL pay my checks. True story. 'Hub
          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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            #6
            I wonder how many people read your ex-wife's "obituary" and assumed you had something to do with her demise!
            Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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              #7
              Originally posted by ohiofiler View Post
              i wonder how many people read your ex-wife's "obituary" and assumed you had something to do with her demise!
              lol
              If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                #8
                I think I would send a copy of the summons along with the death certificate to the major newspapers, I think some writer working on a story about credit card industry out of control will pick up on it.

                If you could let it go to a default judgement first that would probably be even better.

                Be sure that any judge who signs such an order is prominently mentioned, that should really sour him on the creditors' bar.
                filed chapter 13..confirmed...converted to chapter 7...DISCHARGED!

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