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    Hope my lawyer is going to have my back...

    Here I go again... I mentioned in one of my very earliest posts that I was afraid I'd hired the wrong lawyer, tried to get out of it, but since he was keeping half of his fee, for one day's work, I had no choice. Thought I would make the best of it.

    When I went to sign the papers, I struggled with the reaffirm or not question. They said I could do nothing except for the choices offered me on that sheet. I could not check 'other' retain and pay. If don't reaffirm, I have to surrender. In the end, I selected the reaffirm but I have no intention of doing anything with the paperwork when it gets to me. At that time, I'm wondering if the lawyer was capable of standing up for me if I chose not to reaffirm.

    Fast forward to the paperwork from the lawyers office coming in the mail. I finally sat down and went thru it with a fine tooth comb, especially the trustees lists of paperwork he requires. (99% was already at the lawyers office already) We used the assessed value taken off my real estate taxes, because they were more recent than the appraisal done by the bank when I refinanced a couple years ago. However, the RE taxes are much much lower than the appraised value the bank gave me. (How else do you think they could justify refinancing?) Looking over the trustees sheet, there was a section that mentioned bringing the RE taxes AND an appraisal. I wouldn't have been concerned if it had just said 'or'. Using that appraisal, could possibly put my house out of the exemption range.

    So i called the office today and talked to the assistant and told her my thoughts on this, because I cannot go into my 341 and lie. She said it won't matter because you're reaffirming. I said I haven't decided on that yet. She said well then you'll have to surrender it and it won't matter then either. She said I was going to have to do one or the other. (Here we go again). I said there's no way I'm surrendering the house to the bank when I'm current on it. We went back and forth a bit and I finally said, there's a 99% chance that I'm going into the 341 with no plan to reaffirm and Mr. X better have a plan for me if this appraisal thing comes up. I'm not going to see him again til the 341 so he needs to be in the loop. If he has any questions, he can call or email me. End of conversation.

    I figured I hired this guy to protect my best interests, not his. I'm not going to make his job 'easier' for him by going exactly by the book. If I can not reaffirm, pay and stay, then that's what I want to do, until it's not feasible anymore. I don't want to rattle his little world but he's just gonna have to do his job.

    Sorry for the long rant, (once more) but I was so angry after I hung up, I was in tears! I feel like I have two adversaries. Him and the bank...lol

    #2
    Did you pay a retainer fee with the lawyer? Most require this up front with no refunds if you bail on them. Average cost from my lawyer search was around $500 for this, this is deducted out of the total fees minus the courts and etc.

    Filing Bankruptcy is expensive, especially when your barely scraping by as it is.

    In terms for your "reaffirm" doesn't need to be 1st approved by the court to be legit? Also I believe you have 60 days to change your mind on that, I am looking at this in terms of a car, not sure if the rules apply the same for a house?

    I know that for real estate the question was asked, "appraised value", well of course assessed value is way less, I am not sure why a Trustee would even care about that because for the creditors benefit only the appraised value equals the highest amount of payback.

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      #3
      Because if my appraised value is signifigantly higher than the assessed value, then the trustee can take my house and sell it to pay off creditors with the extra left after whatever expenses they have. However, mine isn't quite that high. But still about 7K when the exemptions are removed.

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        #4
        bank- appraised value and tax value are two different animals. really the best way to figure it out is go to a local real estate office and look at comps in the area.

        i HATE zillow.com but it will at least show you what and how much the homes are going for currently in your area. that is ...was is actually sold. that would be the truest number. the trustee can find out on their own. i would try to use as true of figures as possible. i'm hoping they will work in your favor. they can't force you to re-affirm your mortgage. you need to remind them THEY work for you and if they don't like what you want to say on YOUR petition, give you back your money. that is a sworn statement on your petition. although, i have heard of those the checked affirmed and didn't.

        best of luck, i'm certain it will work out, i know it's sooooooo much stress now, but it will pass.
        8/4/2008 MAKE SURE AND VISIT Tobee's Blogs! http://www.bkforum.com/blog.php?32727-tobee43 and all are welcome to bk forum's Florida State Questions and Answers on BK http://www.bkforum.com/group.php?groupid=9

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          #5
          Unfortunately there are no comps in my area. When the bank appraiser did his comps, he had to go out of town anywhere from 10-15 miles to find anything. We have a low turnover rate in our little town, not much to compare to. Strangely and probably because of what I said, Zillow has the same exact amount on my house as does my RE tax value. The only thing I truly don't know is what the market is in this town. Because basically there is none...lol

          It sounds to me from what I've been researching for weeks on end, that more lawyers offices and more cases are not reaffirming than are. I think I may have picked the only lawyer in Illinois that says either/or. No stay and pay. Many people seem to be able to stay current on their payments and the banks don't mind as long as they're getting their money. That's what I'm hoping for.

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            #6
            Ah TR, so sorry you are off to a bad start with this attorney. I wish you would talk to some others.

            Why not call an agent in and tell them you are thinking of selling and ask them to give you a REALISTIC appraisal for a QUICK sale. Do be sure to point out any work the house needs, any appliances that are old, etc. You aren't under any obligation to actually list.

            It's a starting point. You may find that you will have to pay for an appraisal. OR you may find that the tt will use this as a bargaining chip to get a little more cash out of you... ie, to buy back any excess equity, real or invented. WorriedMom just went through this. I'm going to try to dig up her posts. The tt invented a number and basically extorted her for it... but it was worth it to be done.

            OR it could turn out that it's not a problem at all and not worth the tt's time to bother being saddled with your house. You just aren't going to know until you get there. But it's going to work out okay either way.

            Keep On Smilin'

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              #7
              You may be right on getting a separate appraisal from an agent. I'm going to check into that. Thanks!

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