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    Executory contract after the fact?

    I filed chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2010.

    Prior to that, I joined a local gym. They use a billing service that seems to be a national thing that works with smaller gyms.

    Earlier this year, I went in and canceled my account (or so I thought). The employee at the counter told me I was canceled, have a nice day, etc. I found out later, when they tried to bill my expired debit card, that they were still billing my account. When I called to find out what the heck was going on, I was told that they require a certified letter (not just a regular letter, and in-person doesn't count) to cancel an account. I sent them a certified letter to cancel the account.

    Now they're still calling me, telling me that my account is past-due and they can't cancel the account until I bring it up to date. They're going to keep adding to my balance every month until I pay it off.

    I'm pretty pissed at the shady business going on here. An employee told me I was canceled (of course didn't give me a receipt, and I wasn't smart enough to ask for one), then I find out I'm not. I'm getting the runaround from the manager at the local place and the billing place, both pointing fingers at the other. They're charging me a $30 "return payment" fee because they tried to charge my debit card after it had expired - of course they never called to ask for a new card number until it was too late.

    Since the contract was signed before the bankruptcy, legally is this considered a debt incurred before the bankruptcy (and thus subject to discharge)? Or because the charges happened afterward, is this considered after and therefore separate?

    I'm not really worried about the $50, I can afford to pay that if I have to. I'm just pissed at the whole situation. At the same time, I'm working hard to rebuild my credit post-bankruptcy and don't want this black mark showing up. Their contract doesn't have my social security number, and they haven't produced a copy of it that actually has my signature, so I'm not sure they really could do that if they wanted to.

    Advice?

    #2
    I am not sure if the bankruptcy discharge protects you in this case, and I'd strongly suspect that it does not. The only way it would is if you are being charged a "cancellation fee" on a contract that you rejected in bankruptcy.

    When you filed for bankruptcy, back in 2010, you discharged existing debts, and debts resulting from an event that had already occurred (e.g. medical bills for services already performed prior to filing, potential liability for an auto accident which occurred prior to filing, etc). You also had the opportunity to reject any leases or executory contracts, however a gym membership is not technically such a contract unless it includes a commitment for a specific dollar amount for a specific length of time.

    However, it sounds like the charges which you are being billed for have accrued after the bankruptcy--long after. Thus, the bankruptcy discharge won't help you.

    I still would not agree to pay anything for services which you did not use, and tried in good faith to cancel, but understand that the "billing service" can continue to call you and/or send collection letters, and may even choose to report the so-called "debt" to credit bureaus. I would not give in to threats and pay money that I do not legitimately owe, but some people might choose to pay up, for example if they are hoping to buy a house in the future, etc. Most scoring models ignore small collection accounts (balances under $100) because they understand the fact that these kind of "debts" usually arise from a legitimate dispute, and not because the person fails to pay their debts.

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      #3
      What you posted was uncalled for.......

      frogger
      Last edited by frogger; 01-22-2013, 09:28 AM.

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        #4
        I suspected that was the case. From some further research it seems like because the contract is on a month-to-month automatic renewal at this point, it's considered a new contract each month, and so there's no way the bankruptcy affects it.

        The billing service I'm sure will continue to call and harass me. I have a good collection of form letters to tell them where they can stuff it. I guess I just have to decide if it's worth dealing with that hassle for $50.

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          #5
          If you were still using the gym after you filed Bankruptcy, that may also play into an "assumption" of the contract. You might try to force their hand and tell them that the bankruptcy discharged it and they are prohibited from collection (along with a copy of the discharge); in writing of course.

          That might get them to back off. If they don't, you may not have much of a case. As above, I would not admit to owing anything.
          Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
          Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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          Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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            #6
            Sorry group Id still pay it if it went away....

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              #7
              I personally wouldn't pay jack schitt, but it's up to you whether or not it's worth $50 or whatever to make these people go away. Of course, a cease-and-desist letter will do the same thing for less than $10 certified mail postage.

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