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    Chapter 7 Update

    Looking for input...

    2 1/2 years ago we filed for chapter 13. It was a 3% plan. During the first 6 months I got an unplanned bonus from work that paid all unsecured creditors at 100%. Trustee refunded balance and started closing the case.

    Durring the closing period, a secured creditor (mortage holder) revised their secured claim to a 202k unsecured claim.

    We have paid under the 13 plan for an additional 2 years.

    Because of income changes, my law firm re-ran the means test and we converted to a 7. (Should have been in a 7 all along).

    Our 341 meeting is next Wednesday. It's a no-assest case (there really are no assests -- nothing hidden).

    My lawyer called today to tell me he received a note from the banks law firm. They are threatinging to file to have the the $202k declared non-dischargable.

    Their argument is that we did not follow a court order for the past two years tax returns and bonus totaling $17k (which was all disclosed in our last motion under the 13).

    The bank is arguing we did not act in "Good Faith".

    Note, 90 days ago, we had filed a plan modification to exclude this $17k... so the court knew about the income. We withdrew that motion and converted to the 7.

    My lawyer believes we are in a very strong position... even if this goes to court. I tend to agree with him based on what I've read.

    The bank/lawyer has not argued... Makes too much money; should stay in 13. Hidden assests. Rather, that we have not acted in good faith because we did not remit these incomes.

    Again, we clearly pass the means test, there are no assets to liquidate, this bank has been very agressive through the 13, we are current on all payments with the 13, we remitted the tax return and bonus from the first year, we have clear expenses to justify keeping the $17k (all laid out in the plan modification under the 13)...

    I would like to know what people think about our position...

    HELP!
    Last edited by lichteda; 07-20-2011, 10:18 AM.

    #2
    Nothing surprises me - I know the wiser heads here may ask - who is the bank? Is it local by any chance?

    Just from what you say here, I tend to agree with your atty.

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      #3
      Mr. Old...

      Yeah, local bank. Not one of the big guys. You should know that we paid the mortage for almost 10 years... meaning we are talking about the banks profit here, not a real loss!

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        #4
        RIGHT!!! They just want to squeeze us until there's nothing left.

        Well, local bank, that makes sense - someone is taking it personally.

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          #5
          Update... just spoke with my lawyer.

          So the 17k is the real issued. That and the bank is ticked off that they did not get any distribution of the payout 2 years ago.

          Their lawyer seems to think that they would accept a lump sum payment of $17k to settle.

          I countered with $10k in 90 days.

          Their know the case is weak but want to make a point about the "refunds" getting paid. Apprently, 80% of tax refunds never make it to the trustee.

          We have justice Rhodes... and my lawyer seems to think this is bigger risk for us???

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            #6
            Maybe Rhodes tends to side with the creditors....?

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              #7
              Yeah, Rhodes in known as a creditor's judge. That said, the banks case if very very weak. The only reason I would agree to the 10k is have it done with. My wife is ticked off that I would agree... she is taking it very personally. But she trust me...

              I WANT THIS DONE!

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                #8
                Originally posted by lichteda View Post
                Yeah, Rhodes in known as a creditor's judge. That said, the banks case if very very weak. The only reason I would agree to the 10k is have it done with. My wife is ticked off that I would agree... she is taking it very personally. But she trust me...

                I WANT THIS DONE!
                Well...let's look at it this way - if you HAVE teh 10K and it's DONE...it's done...

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                  #9
                  I completly agree. 10k is a small sum in the big picture of things (for us at least). Wife demands the bank agree in writting that they forefit all future financial claims to the mortgage... Of course that would be a requirments... but she really wanted the our lawyer to know that.

                  Our lawyer is Walter Metzen; really one of the best around. Michigan, Detroit; east.

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                    #10
                    :-) What does your lawyer think???

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                      #11
                      Lawyer tried to push me to e $17k... I just don't have it, nor can I get it. 10k really is the limit.

                      I can't stand the wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      I so want this done.

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                        #12
                        Wow - like he's getting a % of the $17?? :-)

                        I'm thinking they'll eventually take the 10....maybe offer eight? To go up to 10?

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                          #13
                          I'm betting (and hoping) they will take the ten! Keep us posted!
                          Filed CH 7 4/15/11
                          341 5/23/11
                          DISCHARGED & CLOSED ON 7/27/11

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                            #14
                            Thanks SunShine. We are praying they will.

                            Should I have any concern with the 341 hearing? If we settle with the bank there are no other creditors to speak of... (The only other creditor is Citi; they had the second on the house. We have yet to hear from them other then filing a secured claim under the 13). No one expects to hear from them now.

                            Will the trustee try and find a few dollars for himself???

                            I will be unemployeed at the time of the 341 and there are no assets to liquidate.

                            Thoughts???

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