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    Variety of questions about Ch 7 BK (long) -- any help appreciated

    I am considering Ch 7, mainly because I have a second home (a residual from my divorce 4 years ago) that will be going back to the bank. Home value is probably $40K under the mortgage (not including the $50K I put into it) plus it now has structural problems. The bank that owns my mortgage has stated that they ALWAYS pursue the deficiency (likely $50K or more).

    So, I have 11K on one card (old medical bills {30K} and car purchase {7K}), $4K on AmEx and about 4K otherwise. I owe my mom for a $25K loan for the retaining wall.

    I tore my ACL at Christmas, which cost about $3k after insurance, plus $25 a pop for physical therapy (3 times a week to start). Spent $3K on necessary car repairs this summer. About $1K on animal illness/shots/etc.

    I have a good job, but we are getting 10 furlough days this year (about $3900 less per year for this). We have not been told our salary for this year yet!

    My son lives with me, he's in college. I pay his health insurance, car insurance, food, and some gas each month. I help with school expenses not covered by the Pell Grant.

    I have two cars, both with $180K+ miles. We both need dental work (I need a crown, he needs several filings). We both need to see the eye doctor as well.

    I am above the median income for GA (by about $600), but I pass the means test.

    I have a roommate who lives in the basement and pays $650. I figured $125 of that goes towards extra utilities and 1/2 TV/Internet (which was part of the agreement).

    My ex had been paying me $430 in CS arrearage payments per month, but he lost his job last month and has not found another one.

    I have renters in the second house. I stopped paying the mortgage in March for that house, and although I have been getting rent from them, I am going to either reduce the amount they pay or allow them to stay rent-free in exchange for them keeping the house in good condition.

    I have had to put my car expenses, vet bills, and some daily living expenses on my credit cards this month. I have never had any credit problems in the past, have always paid my bills, always paid more than the minimum.

    Questions:

    -- Should I file bankruptcy before the second house forecloses? Any reason not to?

    -- If I am giving the second house up, do I consider it's expenses and income when I am filling out the means test?

    -- Since the arrearage payments have stopped, do I include them in the means test?

    -- Will the expenses I have had to put on my CC's this month be a problem? No luxuries, although I have had to buy some equipment for my kitchen (I am trying to cook at home more to save money) and clothes for my son.

    -- In many posts here, I see people saying you should use your money to buy consumables, things you need for living -- is that money coming from what you are not paying to the CC's? Or putting on the CC's?

    -- Should my son and I go ahead with the dental and vision expenses, even though I would need to put it on my CC's? I feel guilty thinking about it, and I'm not sure I can do it, since I know I will be filing bk at some point. So, what do I do?

    -- I am thinking about getting a newer car, one that will last me for 10+ years. On the one hand, I hate the thought of having a debt after bk -- but on the other hand, making those payments would help me rebuild my credit (my mom has agreed to co-sign for a car either way).

    -- The house I live in I plan to keep. I am unsure about whether or not I have equity in the house, because housing values have declined SO much here (but I finished the basement, which increased the value). Should I pay for an appraisal before deciding about bk?

    -- How do I determine if I would fall into the non-consumer Ch 7? The second house mortgage is at $150K, my consumer debts are around $20K, plus the $25K I owe my mom. If I am planning on keeping the house I am in, do I count that mortgage in determining consumer vs. non-consumer debt? Or would I just look at what I owe outside of my primary home?

    -- My mother loaned my brothers and me each $125K each from our inheritance in order for us to purchase our homes. I signed a contract with her, indicating the $125K was a loan from my inheritance. Would this contract legitimately hold up in court (if it did, I would definitely NOT have any equity in my house)? If my mom died, that money would be mine outright, but until then it is technically just a loan.

    -- I have some items I am trying to sell. If I cannot sell them, can I indicate their value as lower than the lowest attempted sale price? For instance, say I am trying to sell a piece of jewelry that I purchased for $3000K 10 years ago -- but I am unable to sell it for $1500K. Can I list the value as less than $1500, since it will not sell at that price?

    -- Do I have to not pay on my CC's before filing? Is it okay to pay at least the minimum payments?

    -- Should I wait to file until the deficiency payment is on record, or does it not matter? (I qualify without it.)

    -- Has anyone here had rental property, stopped paying the mortgage, while continuing to collect payments? I know it is not illegal according to GA law to do so, but I am unsure how it would be looked on by the bk court?

    -- I adjusted my tax withholdings (federal and state). Typically, I have been getting $3K back -- changed from 3 withholdings to 5. Of course, that means I will be getting more in each paycheck -- is that a bad idea? Should I change it back?

    -- A suggestion made was for me to speak to my mortgage company (for my home) about negotiating a lower monthly payment (currently $1395) -- but is that a good idea before I file, since it reduces my monthly expenses?

    Sorry -- I know this is really long. I've been reading the boards (I'm on page 75 now) and I've read the NoLo book. I've had a lot of question percolating!

    Any advice, suggestions are appreciated.

    #2
    The big issue you have is, did your mother properly perfect the lein on the house.
    If she didn't, the trustee can snatch it away from both of you.
    Were I you, I'd get to a lawyer ASAP and let him research the lein.

    In general, we suggest people stop paying all debt they wish to discharge and use that money for hh expenses, dental work, eye exams,etc.

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      #3
      reply to keepmine

      My mom did not actually place a lien on the property, I don't think. We just have a contract signed by both of us indicating that the money used was a loan from her estate (my inheritance). How would she go about putting a legal lien on the house?

      In addition, my guess is that the house would probably be valued at around $200K right now. There are other homes for sale in the neighborhood being listed at $20K less than their original price -- one sold for $25K less than they bought it for new.

      I will be talking with an attorney in the near future.

      Thanks for your response!

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        #4
        I think you are on the right path looking into this before you actually have to file. I’ll try to respond as best I can to a couple of your questions.

        I am considering Ch 7, mainly because I have a second home (a residual from my divorce 4 years ago) that will be going back to the bank. Home value is probably $40K under the mortgage (not including the $50K I put into it) plus it now has structural problems. The bank that owns my mortgage has stated that they ALWAYS pursue the deficiency (likely $50K or more).

        - you may already know this, but GA allows 30 days for a deficiency judgment after the auction. Also, I read somewhere that it is very difficult for a bank to receive a deficiency judgment in GA because if the owner can prove that the bank could have received 1 dollar more then what the house sold for, then the case will be dismissed. In short, it sounds like this is the main reason why you are thinking of filing and I strongly recommend you consult with a couple of real-estate attorneys to make sure. In addition, you could wait out the 30 days and see if the bank is bluffing or not. They are not known for their integrity and telling the truth so who really knows. BTW, just out of curiosity, what bank are you with?

        How do I determine if I would fall into the non-consumer Ch 7?

        -for non consumer, include all your debts including your home mortgage. Then divide that number into your business debt. If it is greater then 51% you are good. For example, if you owe 100K on your home mortgage, and 10K in CC debt, and 200K on your business debt (rental in this case), your business debt is 64% of your total debt and you qualify for non-consumer.

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          #5
          thanks!

          Angles --

          Thanks for the info -- that clears things up regarding non-consumer filing, I would fall into the consumer Ch 7.

          The deficiency is definitely the reason I am thinking about Ch. 7. My understanding is it is pretty easy for banks to pursue a deficiency in GA, unfortunately. I did not know about the $1 more issue -- I will definitely discuss it with an attorney.

          I have checked every way I know how regarding this bank and it's policy of pursuing deficiencies. Apparently this bank is on really solid ground financially and does make a point to pursue any and all deficiencies. I have considered waiting until the foreclosure happens to see for sure, but I have lately been thinking about filing before so that my credit takes the hit for the BK, not the BK and foreclosure.

          Thanks again!

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