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    Deceased Father's Credit Card

    I apologize if this is not the correct forum to post this question but I'm hoping someone might have some insight into the problem and advice on what to do.

    My father past away in November 2007. He had a Master Card and a Home Depot Card that my mother thought was in both of their names. They carried insurance on the Master Card so when he passed away the balance was paid in full, but they left the account open and raised the credit limit. Since my mother assumed that it was in both of their names she used the card. She managed to accumulate about $9000 and was paying the minimum on time every month. In September 09, the card was declined. She contact the company and they stated that they closed the account because my father was deceased (2 years ago??) When my mother inquired why they didn't leave it open since she was on the account they informed her that she was not a joint account holder just an authorized user. If my mother would have known this she would not have used the card after my father's death.

    The Company first demanded payment in full from my father's estate (which has been closed for over 18 months). When my mother explained she did not have the balance in full they offered to open a line of credit in her name and transfer the balance. My mother agreed and sent in the required paperwork.

    She just received a letter from them stating that her credit application was denied. It made no mention to the original account. Home Depot made her a verbal offer to settle that account at 50% but they have yet to send an official written offer.

    My mother is on Social Security and gets a very small pension from my father's employer (total of about $1000/month). Her house is reversed mortgaged with no equity available.

    My questions:

    Since the account was in my father's name only, is my mother legally responsible for the debt? She did make charges after his death (thinking she was a joint account holder). She would still be making on time monthly payments but they closed the account to any active. She doesn't have the full amount owed and they have refused to open an account in her name and transfer the balance.

    Would the company have to sue her to prove that she made the charges and is responsible for the debt?

    Since her only income is SS and a small Pension is she judgement proof? Again the house is reversed mortgage with no equity. She owns a 2001 Saturn (completely paid for) and has less than $1000 in savings. Could the CC company come after the car or the little savings she has?


    My mother doesn't want to run away from this debt, but she doesn't have the money to pay the balances in full and the CC company doesn't seem to want to offer her other options other than settlement for a lesser amount- which she still doesn't have.

    Any suggestions to what her course of action should be?

    #2
    this is really a situation for an attorney to answer. Too many moving parts (variables) for anyone to give you a correct answer.

    Answers you receive here will likely be only the opinion of the poster; and not legal advice. You really need concrete legal advice in this situation.

    Good luck

    Originally posted by pak511 View Post
    I apologize if this is not the correct forum to post this question but I'm hoping someone might have some insight into the problem and advice on what to do.

    My father past away in November 2007. He had a Master Card and a Home Depot Card that my mother thought was in both of their names. They carried insurance on the Master Card so when he passed away the balance was paid in full, but they left the account open and raised the credit limit. Since my mother assumed that it was in both of their names she used the card. She managed to accumulate about $9000 and was paying the minimum on time every month. In September 09, the card was declined. She contact the company and they stated that they closed the account because my father was deceased (2 years ago??) When my mother inquired why they didn't leave it open since she was on the account they informed her that she was not a joint account holder just an authorized user. If my mother would have known this she would not have used the card after my father's death.

    The Company first demanded payment in full from my father's estate (which has been closed for over 18 months). When my mother explained she did not have the balance in full they offered to open a line of credit in her name and transfer the balance. My mother agreed and sent in the required paperwork.

    She just received a letter from them stating that her credit application was denied. It made no mention to the original account. Home Depot made her a verbal offer to settle that account at 50% but they have yet to send an official written offer.

    My mother is on Social Security and gets a very small pension from my father's employer (total of about $1000/month). Her house is reversed mortgaged with no equity available.

    My questions:

    Since the account was in my father's name only, is my mother legally responsible for the debt? She did make charges after his death (thinking she was a joint account holder). She would still be making on time monthly payments but they closed the account to any active. She doesn't have the full amount owed and they have refused to open an account in her name and transfer the balance.

    Would the company have to sue her to prove that she made the charges and is responsible for the debt?

    Since her only income is SS and a small Pension is she judgement proof? Again the house is reversed mortgage with no equity. She owns a 2001 Saturn (completely paid for) and has less than $1000 in savings. Could the CC company come after the car or the little savings she has?


    My mother doesn't want to run away from this debt, but she doesn't have the money to pay the balances in full and the CC company doesn't seem to want to offer her other options other than settlement for a lesser amount- which she still doesn't have.

    Any suggestions to what her course of action should be?
    Filed Pro Se: 10/16/2009
    341 Scheduled: 11/23/2009
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      #3
      She is not responsible for a dead person's account. She may be responsible for any purchases afterwords. In that she did not know and in that she attempted to make arrangements, she has not committed a crime.

      She may just have hit a jackpot, in that she was refused an attempt to right the mistake. In my opinion, she should stop paying it. They may not see their way to suing her. If they do, it would be in small claims court (anything below 10k in FL. Check your own state.) She would probably win and if she does not (not likely) she can bk and remove a Judgment.

      There is no such thing as "Judgment proof". "Collection proof" yes, but a Judgment rides with that person and can cause much trouble in the future. 9K is not enough trouble for the banks to sue, but they could. Explanation to the Judge could determine that she did things in her power to correct the situation, and that the Plaintiff did not.

      Sit on it for some time and see, is my opinion. 'Hub
      Last edited by AngelinaCatHub; 10-12-2009, 09:40 AM.
      If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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        #4
        When the bank received the proceeds from the insurance company they should have closed the account as he was the ONLY cardholder. Their mistake not hers.

        She needs an attorney.
        Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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          #5
          Thanks for the quick replies. She really doesn't have the money for an attorney and right now they haven't done anything other than try and contact "the person handling the deceased affairs" via phone calls. Other than the application she received and returned to have the balance transfered onto an account of her own she hasn't received any paper work.

          I guess her signing the application (even though they denied it) might be used against her later.

          If they do bring legal action against her, is she basically "Collection proof" because her only income is SS and a small pension? If it goes as far as a judgement against her how does that work? I know a lien is filed in court but does it go against her home or any assets that she may have? How is a lien actually collected?

          I guess she will have to wait and see what happens. I still don't understand why when the insurance paid the Master Card off after his death they didn't close the account. The insurance was offered through the card, it wasn't a regular life insurance policy and they even requested his death certificate.

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            #6
            The executor of your father's estate was responsible to ensure the account was paid off and closed and even if it was in joint names or, as is the case, with your mother as an authorized user, been closed out in full or reopened in your mother's name only. No account should remain open in a deceased person's name as you can see what the consequences are here. The insurance proceeds to pay off the account came from an insurance place and not from the creditor and the creditor won't close out an account upon a person's death without the proper authorization from the executor (i.e., send in a death certificate). What you have here is a case of not knowing better and assumptions and an executor or executrix who did not do his/her job.

            Since your mother continued to use the card after the date of death and she signed as an authorized user, you will be hard pressed for her not to be responsible for that debt.
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            Early Buy-Out: April 2006
            Discharge: August 2006

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