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    Am I Chapter 7 material?

    After a series of recent, major financial setbacks, I'm wondering if I should file Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Well, let me rephrase that. I am thinking I definitely should but maybe that wouldn't be the best path as of now. I'm looking to get a little advice and insight into what I should be looking into or not. I went to a lawyer for a "free consultation" (a BK mill for all I know) and really didn't get any answers to my questions and didn't get a real opportunity to even tell my story which is why I'm here. He didn't really care to hear about my particulars and I'm trying to see what's what. I'd really like your help.

    Years ago, when I was in my very early twenties, I got into major, major credit card debt due to needing things for school and being impetuous and stupid. All those old accounts were charged off and I've never had credit cards since that time (this is probably going on about seven years now). I didn't pay the collection agencies that ended up with those accounts and moved for work out-of-state. I moved to an expensive state but I had a decent job that made living there easier--with a roommate.

    As I said, I never got another card after those five or so and paid cash for everything. I had things on track financially for the most part (household bills and charge-offs notwithstanding) but then lost my job in early 2007 right after I got my first new car at the end of 2006. I could not afford the car BEFORE purchase, for sure, if it wasn't for the car allowance and to keep my job I HAD to get it. I was basically using almost all my money on living expenses at that time. Rent, utilities, insurance, gas, food, car payment. Right after losing my job, believe it or not, the second clutch went up in the car during the middle of that year (the first went at 4,000 miles for some reason and was covered under the warranty) which destroyed my transmission. I had it placed in the shop and I never had the money to get it out after the repairs and the company that repossessed it actually ended up paying the four grand to get it out of the shop. I am fairly sure they are going after me because they tried to put a lien on my parents' house (!) because one of my parents and I share similar names! The lawyer at least told me that was easy to remedy because it was provable that it's not them who owes the money.

    After losing my job, my roommate moved out suddenly leaving me with an exorbitant rent which I couldn't afford and no time to find another roomie. I ended up getting evicted and quickly moving in with an ex-boyfriend but this wasn't before the landlord took me to court and got a judgment against me for back rent. I also owe the two banks where I banked where I lived each at least $1,000 after overdrawing (although not on purpose at all!). I also stopped being able to afford my cell phone which went to collections owing several hundred dollars.

    In addition to that, my student loan payments lapsed heavily (haven't paid a dime since February of 2007) in most of 2007 and all of 2008; I am very much in default. I fought my employer to get unemployment because they lied about why they fired me ( I had proof to discredit everything they said) but the unemployment ran out in early 2008. I had to sell almost everything I owned and lived with friends after my ex-boyfriend who I lived with moved back to Denmark, trying to find enough work to support myself, until late 2008 when that same ex-boyfriend actually bought me plane ticket to fly back to live with parents which I tried not to do because of my pride. After I moved back in with them, I got the real support I needed to find a non-back breaking job (June 2009) but not until after working THREE terrible jobs simultaneously just to be able to pull my own weight. Oddly enough, I couldn't find real work until I moved back to the city I left because good-paying jobs were scarce.

    Well, now I'm back on my feet, which is good, but I received a letter in the mail stating that the bank that gave me the loan for the car is suing me in a court one thousand miles away in the state I used to live and the IRS sent me a letter saying they want the back taxes I owe plus interest or else. I owe the finance company for the car about $10,000 and IRS considerably less but more than I can pay at one time. I feel like I've had the wind knocked out of me!

    I am setting up payment with the IRS and trying to work out something with the student loan people, Allied Interstate. I am unsure if student loan will be something I can catch up on right now because they want a ridiculous amount of money that I simply cannot afford right now and I know I can't include that in the bankruptcy. Can that be modified in some way so I can begin to pay them back but still have money to survive? I told them my situation but they still want the kind of money I'm unable to pay and still make my expenses.

    But should I file bankruptcy to start with a clean slate and include everything else like the car, cell phone account, rent judgment, the banks I owe overdraft fees to and the old credit card accounts? Or should I just do the most recent accounts like the car, banks, cell phone and landlord judgment? And if I do file bankruptcy, I was thinking of using one of those full-service filing sites to do my paperwork so I can just submit it because I have absolutely nothing of value at this point and I can at least borrow enough to afford that. AT this point, I just want to be able to live without getting letters in the mail like I used to when I lived with parents and numerous phone calls. I'm poor and I don't think I'll be anything but that for a long time to come.

    But at the very least, I want to be able to poor in peace! Any wisdom and guidance is not only appreciated, it's necessary.

    #2
    I think you should setup a few consultation with some other bk lawyers. BK is quite a serious matter and certianly not as simple as filing out some forms online. Filing pro se involves many hours of reading and researching. BK will definitely take care of some if not most of the lawsuits. Not impossible, but involves a bit of research to do.

    Which state are you now in? As every state and even district have their own local rules to follow.

    I recently filed for BK myself and to be perfectly honest felt a great sense of relief after doing so. Up to that point I thought the world was ending but once I filed, everything is going much better for me. Bk is perfect for situations like these where you want to wipe the slate clean. It's early in the morning here but I am sure others will post tomorrow too.
    My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
    posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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      #3
      if you didn't pay or promise to pay the old credit card debt for 7 years, then this debt is past the statute of limitations, which means you are basically off the hook for those. if you file bk, still include them to be safe.

      the rent judgment and car, cell phones, banks will all be discharged if you file. how old are the taxes? if they are more than 3 years old, they may also be dischargeable. it sounds like they are at least 2 years old because you lost your job in 2007. if so, you may consider waiting another year to file so you can include them. meanwhile, pay all your *new* taxes on time.

      the student loans you'd be on the hook for unless you can show "extreme hardship" which is usually hard to do.

      it sounds to me like what really destroyed you financially was a combination of buying that car and losing your job. you can learn not to make the buying-the-car mistake (avoiding losing a job is harder to do...).

      filing for bk may give you a lot of relief. it did for me. i had a "creditor" to whom i actually didn't owe money, but they had a friendly judge enter a fake judgment against me and he was helping them collect on it in illegal ways. they even took my exempt unemployment compensation right out of my bank account. i was literally afraid they would make up an excuse to put me in jail (yeah, there are no debtor's prisons today unless there is a crazy judge sitting out there somewhere). so i filed bk and it was over and done with. i just found out they were going to have me arrested for not showing up in court without ever having served me with notice to show up. thank heavens i filed!!!

      filing bk is definitely not something to be ashamed of once you decide it's the best thing for you. like you, i was ashamed to go stay with parents, but filing bk was rather a proud moment for me given what was going on.

      talk to some other bk lawyers and get more advice about your specific situation. i think if the amount of debt is such that you'll never get out of it with your current income, then you should probably file.
      filed ch7 May 09
      341 june 09
      discharged, closed Aug 09

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        #4
        Your first consult attorney sounds a lot like mine. He maintained a broad spectrum stance (heavy emphasis on explaining BK while barely touching on my personal details). Thankfully, they aren't all this way. I interviewed two more attorneys and they were both very informative (although, they maintained different focuses). I think it would be in your best interest to set up additional consultations. You're gaining knowledge and perspective (this site is fabulous!). This will work to your advantage when discussing your situation. Bear in mind, consultations aren't designed to include all the nitty gritty details ("free" doesn't often go too far). However, they should offer individual insight.

        By chance, have you completed the online Means Test? I found this advantageous when discussing my specifics during consultations. I also generated concise lists containing debts, current expenses, and income information. This aided in setting the stage for discussing MY situation rather than a broad-based consultation.

        I've been struggling with the decision to file BK. This is no longer a moral struggle (as I recognize morality and money are distinct) or fear of FICO (credit scores can be rebuilt!). I've been trying to determine the best business action on how to free myself of my money pit house. To my surprise, I've learned there are numerous benefits to BK.

        You deserve peace; and, you don't have to remain poor! It appears you've endured an extended battle in the debt domain. I commend you for exploring your options. Bankruptcy is a business decision; and, it may very well be the best decision to grant you a clean slate and a new beginning.
        *Filed: September 23, 2009 *341: November 4, 2009 *Discharged: January 4, 2010 *Closed: January 20, 2010

        Hakuna Matata...it means NO WORRIES!

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          #5
          Originally posted by music12 View Post
          if you didn't pay or promise to pay the old credit card debt for 7 years, then this debt is past the statute of limitations, which means you are basically off the hook for those. if you file bk, still include them to be safe.

          it sounds to me like what really destroyed you financially was a combination of buying that car and losing your job. you can learn not to make the buying-the-car mistake (avoiding losing a job is harder to do...).
          This may not be true. SOL vary by state and some stop the clock if the debtor moves out of the state. Also, we don't know what interactions and when she has had them with the creditors which could also extend the SOL.
          Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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            #6
            Without knowing your income, expenses, unsecured debt and student loan debt it's difficult to make a qualified suggestion on what you should do.
            Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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              #7
              I want to thank everyone for the replies. I really need some help with this from people who are going through what I'm going through and have done what I'm doing. I'm afraid I don't know anyone personally who's been where I am and this forum has made it easier for me to talk about these issues.

              Originally posted by shabam View Post
              I think you should setup a few consultation with some other bk lawyers. BK is quite a serious matter and certianly not as simple as filing out some forms online. Filing pro se involves many hours of reading and researching. BK will definitely take care of some if not most of the lawsuits. Not impossible, but involves a bit of research to do.

              Which state are you now in? As every state and even district have their own local rules to follow.

              I recently filed for BK myself and to be perfectly honest felt a great sense of relief after doing so. Up to that point I thought the world was ending but once I filed, everything is going much better for me. Bk is perfect for situations like these where you want to wipe the slate clean. It's early in the morning here but I am sure others will post tomorrow too.
              I have wanted to set up consultations with other attorneys but I was just put off so much by that first visit. I went before I knew of forums like this. If I had had some of knowledge from here when I went, I'd have been a little more prepared and maybe easier for him to deal with because I was trying to ask as many concise questions as I could think of to ask. I hardly spent more then fifteen minutes talking to this individual before he ended our discussion! Maybe I was too calm for him because there were several people there who were decidedly more "colorful" than me. However, I tend to look at things as practically as I can now and leave as much emotion out as I can when thinking about this stuff. God knows years ago that I would fall to pieces when I got those letters and collections calls. I couldn't even really sleep!

              Right now, I'm in AL and moved from MD. What could this mean legally? Any guess?

              Originally posted by music12 View Post
              if you didn't pay or promise to pay the old credit card debt for 7 years, then this debt is past the statute of limitations, which means you are basically off the hook for those. if you file bk, still include them to be safe.

              the rent judgment and car, cell phones, banks will all be discharged if you file. how old are the taxes? if they are more than 3 years old, they may also be dischargeable. it sounds like they are at least 2 years old because you lost your job in 2007. if so, you may consider waiting another year to file so you can include them. meanwhile, pay all your *new* taxes on time.

              it sounds to me like what really destroyed you financially was a combination of buying that car and losing your job. you can learn not to make the buying-the-car mistake (avoiding losing a job is harder to do...).
              Yes, that situation basically ruined me. I'm still mad at everything surrounding that because the firing was unjustified and retaliatory. I was made to buy a car only to get fired shortly after buying it. How insane is that?! And finding a job after that to support all the things I had obligations to was almost impossible; I had no idea the economy was winding down.

              The taxes are coming up on three years so that may be an option. If I file next year, they will be. But I'll have been gainfully employed for most of 2009 and I'm wondering if this will affect me because my returns for 2008 and 2007 show basically no income whatsoever outside unemployment benefits in 2007. How would that look?

              Originally posted by HakunaMatata View Post
              Your first consult attorney sounds a lot like mine. He maintained a broad spectrum stance (heavy emphasis on explaining BK while barely touching on my personal details). Thankfully, they aren't all this way. I interviewed two more attorneys and they were both very informative (although, they maintained different focuses). I think it would be in your best interest to set up additional consultations. You're gaining knowledge and perspective (this site is fabulous!). This will work to your advantage when discussing your situation. Bear in mind, consultations aren't designed to include all the nitty gritty details ("free" doesn't often go too far). However, they should offer individual insight.

              By chance, have you completed the online Means Test? I found this advantageous when discussing my specifics during consultations. I also generated concise lists containing debts, current expenses, and income information. This aided in setting the stage for discussing MY situation rather than a broad-based consultation.

              I've been struggling with the decision to file BK. This is no longer a moral struggle (as I recognize morality and money are distinct) or fear of FICO (credit scores can be rebuilt!). I've been trying to determine the best business action on how to free myself of my money pit house. To my surprise, I've learned there are numerous benefits to BK.

              You deserve peace; and, you don't have to remain poor! It appears you've endured an extended battle in the debt domain. I commend you for exploring your options. Bankruptcy is a business decision; and, it may very well be the best decision to grant you a clean slate and a new beginning.
              I'm way out of the morality side of my debt issue and just want to be free of all this; I just want to be bailed out! I just want to start a new financial life with the savvy I've accumulated since 18. I wished that there was a law that states you can't get any type of credit card or other heavy debt obligation until at least 28. That 10 years from 18 have been VERY financially informative!

              I have yet to do the means test. Is there a place I could take that? I'm sure I'd "pass" with flying colors.

              Originally posted by OhioFiler View Post
              This may not be true. SOL vary by state and some stop the clock if the debtor moves out of the state. Also, we don't know what interactions and when she has had them with the creditors which could also extend the SOL.
              I forgot to mention that I actually did the credit counseling thing way back in 2001 or 2002. But the company I went through was terrible! It was AmeriDebt and they wreaked havoc with my money. They even took money out of my account more than authorized and all kinds of things. I eventually stopped paying them because I could no longer afford it on my wages at that time. This was just before I moved out-of-state. Could that mean anything?

              Oh, and another thing. I got some documents from the student loan people recently that was for William D. Ford loan thing. The documents are "Federal Direct Consolidation Loan." I am unsure of what it means. I think its some reaffirmation papers or something. They said it would help me but I don't feel like signing anything else until I'm sure of what it means. They wanted to garnish my wages but I make just under what they can garnish. I told them that my living expenses eat up most of my income and paying them what they want will leave me with absolutely no income left over, a state I'm tired of being in for sure. This may not be the place to ask but I'm throwing that out there.

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                #8
                The William D Ford is a good thing. It is a consolidation for the student loans. You can sign up for a Income contingent payment which can be as low as zero Also, after 25 years the loan balance is forgiven, ten years if you work in the public sector. Pretty sweet deal.
                7-2-2009 Filed
                8-28-09 341 Concluded, no assets
                10-28-09 DISCHARGED/CLOSED!!!!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by whipster1 View Post
                  The William D Ford is a good thing. It is a consolidation for the student loans. You can sign up for a Income contingent payment which can be as low as zero Also, after 25 years the loan balance is forgiven, ten years if you work in the public sector. Pretty sweet deal.
                  Okay. I see. I just Googled it (why I didn't do this before I'll never know) and saw that it was a good thing. Um, how do you make a payment if they say you owe zero? That's not good! That sounds like a trap. LOL

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                    #10
                    Not sure but I have been making a zero payment for about 6 months now I get a statement every month and the amount due says 0.00

                    The interest adds up of course but what the hey...
                    7-2-2009 Filed
                    8-28-09 341 Concluded, no assets
                    10-28-09 DISCHARGED/CLOSED!!!!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Anastacia View Post
                      Right now, I'm in AL and moved from MD. What could this mean legally? Any guess?
                      There is a minimum required amount of time you need to live somewhere to be able to file there.

                      Find a few more lawyers to see but I think your case is a slam dunk ch 7. With enough research you could very well file it yourself. The trickiest part isn't the filing but following up with inquiries or forms after you file, if anything out of the ordinary comes up.

                      If you have no assets, do not work and are not reaffirming any loans, it could be very easy to do.

                      There is plenty of info here available and you can ask a question anytime.

                      Have a read of this before filing: 33 - Things not to do.

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                      My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
                      posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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