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    No idea where to put this... we got loan mod papers from GMAC today

    Of course we just signed a lease on a rental home about less than 2wks ago.

    Our original payment was 1350 including escrow for property taxes and insurance. Property taxes are like 3100 a year. Our mortgage payment alone was 1050. Our max we were going to be able to pay was 1200.

    A few weeks ago we decided that it would be best to just get a rental instead of waiting on the mod. We need to file bankruptcy before we get any judgments and I wanted to be done with the trial mod payments before filing. We didn't expect to even get the paperwork this soon. We really want to file before October though. We have most of our CCs in collections right now as well as our 2nd mortgage. Guaranty Insurance bought the 2nd mortgage from USAA. So now we will have to deal with them at some point. So that's another reason we decided to just forget about the mod and just get a rental. We really don't want to have problems with the 2nd at any point in time.

    So now we have a rental lease that starts on July 1st. We wanted to be moved somewhere by the time school starts in Sept.

    So now we get these papers and it says that our trial payment will be 959.00 for those 3 payments. INCLUDING the escrow of 304.00. So our mortgage payment went from 1050 to 650. We would definitely love paying only 959 a month for our house.

    BUT... what is the likelihood of this payment being the same after the trial period is over? I'm way too scared to pay my trial payments and them telling me we don't qualify (would we not have to qualify in order to even be given the trial payments?) or that our payments are a lot more.

    959 would be so nice compared to 1200. Sigh.

    But we like the new area we are living in. 2 blocks to downtown where festivals are held and it's rated one of the best places to live in the US.

    Is it worth passing on the rental... making these trial payments... and not even knowing what the terms will be with the new mortgage? THEN if it doesn't work out then we only have until November before our 6mos redemption is over for foreclosure. And we will have to find a place to live in the winter. In Wisconsin.

    I'm curious how many had their new payments stay around what they were in the trial period...

    Too risky? And then remember we have that 2nd mortgage. We know we don't want to stay here forever.

    What would you do? Just go ahead and move to the really awesome city where you can walk 2 blocks to the library, coffee, shops, festivals and suck it up paying 1200 instead of 959.

    Ahhhhhhhhh.

    #2
    its apples to oranges, but my decision to let my house go and rent, started my spiral into financial ruin... damned if you do and damned if you dont.. you know what you have in your own home, but you are shootin in the dark with the rental.. you might have neighbors from hell, like i did..
    "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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      #3
      At least we are free to move in a rental though. Repairs aren't ours. The guy who owns this house is a house inspector so I can't imagine he would be hard to deal with re: fixes. We actually live surrounded by old people right now who mow their yards twice a week. So we aren't too worried about neighbors. We don't have it wonderfully right now. The new area will have a lot more kids for our children to play with as well. We are more rural right now.
      In our house we have all the windows needing replacing. Ductwork cleaned out. So many things that need to be done. I'm afraid of things breaking and not having the money to replace them.
      Sigh. We were so set on trying to keep our house before. Now with the lower payment it's tempting but man it would be so nice to just start over also. Especially with not having to deal with the house if we have to move...

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        #4
        i understand the worry about things breaking... ive always relied on credit cards to bail me out.. if my a/c or well was to break, i would be screwed...

        if i make the move again (i very well might), i will live in my place as long as possible and save the money, until im forclosed.. when you have pets, its hell to find a good place..
        "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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          #5
          are you upside down on your current home? we decided to let our mod go by the wayside and go ahead and file becuase we got slapped with a judgement for a CC, our lender was taking MUCH, MUCH longer than what they'd quoted, and we owe more than double on our home.... It'll take us 10-15 years to just break even on the place. And since values have declined so much, so has the quality of the people moving into the neighborhood.....so the decision was pretty much a no brainer for us.

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            #6
            We owe about 194k on both mortgages, 159k on the 1st. No idea what our house is worth. Zillow says 147k and that's prob somewhat right. But really I have no idea. So we aren't HUGELY crazy upside down like some. I know we could include it in the bk and then leave it if we have to instead of selling... but that just seems like delaying all this crap. My 5yr old starts kindy and my oldest is going into 5th grade. My 8yr old is severely autistic and I'd rather he get used to a new school before he gets much older and the kids get meaner.

            Adding 4 kids to the mix makes it harder to just stay until it's foreclosed on. We risk not finding a place in a good district and big enough to fit our family. We can't risk being forced into Milwaukee due to not finding a place to live quick enough. There just isn't much available in this upper area...

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              #7
              the only advice i got is that you do lose a huge tax deduction on your taxes by ditching the home and truly the money you lose from the deduction will be more then what you will save by renting. Renting is more costly in the end for a tax payer. Serious item to consider. Yea rent thats cheaper by a few hundred versus a mortgage seems great but when you get the tax bill that skies as a result of the lost deduction makes ya wonder, "What was I thinking?"
              Started in Chapt 13 Switched to Chapt 7 Discharged 2009 Dec.........Filed New Chapt 13 in 2010 to deal with new surgery bill and stripped second mortgage! The story continues

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                #8
                Originally posted by car67 View Post
                the only advice i got is that you do lose a huge tax deduction on your taxes by ditching the home and truly the money you lose from the deduction will be more then what you will save by renting. Renting is more costly in the end for a tax payer. Serious item to consider. Yea rent thats cheaper by a few hundred versus a mortgage seems great but when you get the tax bill that skies as a result of the lost deduction makes ya wonder, "What was I thinking?"
                That depends on how much you make and how much your house is. The interest on a 194k mortgage is not going to be that different than the standard deduction. If the loan mod payments are at ~700/month then it's probably less than the standard deduction.

                Your point is a good one though and the OP should investigate the tax ramifications...

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                  #9
                  Our rent is already going to be more than our new mortgage payment if they keep it at the trial amount. We already get pretty sizable tax returns because of having 4 kids. But I do know our interest claimed each year is very nice for that. But what I'm concerned about is that we don't have the money laying around to pay for a busted furnace, new windows, broken AC.

                  More of what I'm concerned about is not getting to know whether or not after our trial period we will still be even able to quality. I don't really get how they can expect people to hang on for 3 more months and not even know if it's for real. I'm not sure it makes much sense to stick around until October. That means my kids will have to start school here. Then if for some reason the new loan sucks... I have to move us in the fall. *That* won't be fun at all. Sigh.

                  So I'm not even sure it makes sense to try.

                  ETA that I just looked at our 2008 tax return and our itemized deductions were 18741.00 I don't know what the standard deduction is but that made our taxable income only 1236.

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                    #10
                    OK I just did a rough go at our next taxes and if we make 36k gross (last year was 40k) then after subtracting 11500 for the 2009 standard deduction that is 24500.00. Then after multiplying 3500.00 x 6 people... and subtracting that from the 24500.00 I get a taxable income of 3500.00 compared to the 1236 for last year with our mortgage interest.

                    Not enough difference for me to care really.

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