Just filed.... Car offers in the mail?

[debtmonster]

I meant the "retailers" intererest, not "ours." I had somebody here bugging me while I was trying to write that message.

[dogbone33]

I got car offers too. But none could help us...... They get your hopes up just to shoot you down.

[debtmonster]

I got car offers too. But none could help us...... They get your hopes up just to shoot you down.

Yep... I know exactly how that feels. I've checked out like a dozen offers I've gotten in the mail. They've always been a major bait and switch or some other kind of scam.

Like I said... the BEST WAY to buy a car is a used one from an individual for CASH MONEY. Then there's no BS. Plus you get to meet the owner and get an idea of how they took care of the vehicle. When you buy a used car at a dealer, they are good at covering up problems, plus you can't find the real reason why the person traded it in, or how the maintenance was, etc.

Thanks for sharing.

[outsidetool]

Just curious: What kind of offers and APRs are you getting? Do they only offer beaters or actually decent rides (price-category)?

The car I originally looked at was a 2008 Chevy Impala SS--it was at a Chevy dealership who had sent me a letter that I was "preapproved" even before I was discharged--"nothing down," etc. I was very nervous about signing on to that car--$20k+ at 16% interest. The payment was going to be around $600/m. But I did like the car. So, yes, it is possible through the dealers in my area anyway (utah) to get hooked up with a nice ride after filing ch 7--but you're going to pay a bit for the priviledge.

[debtmonster]

You have to be INSANE to even think about payments that high. I don't care how nice the car is. With 500,000 to 600,000 people losing their job every month, the last thing you want is debt that high. I would only buy such an expensive car with maybe 50-60% down.

I was thinking just like you and then all of the people on this forum talked sense into me. It took a while for me to come around, but now I've come to my senses.

[jeb]

What if you had to change your tires every 3,000 miles instead of 40,000 or 80,000? How would you feel about doing that for a daily commuter car? - DM

DM, I think you just blew your argument up.

We have tires we can run 40-50,000 miles on rather than less than 10-20% of that 40 years ago because someone started making a better tire so everyone had to do the same or go out of business.

If Amsoil was as good as they say it is, everyone out there would be making it - just like tires. - jb

[debtmonster]

If Amsoil was as good as they say it is, everyone out there would be making it - just like tires. - jb

Totally not true. I've talked to enough retailers about it to know. It does not meet their business model.

Look how Mobil 1 used to have a 25,000 mile motor oil. All of the GM dealers got pissed off because people were gone so long so GM told Mobil 1 to stop making it. It's all about the money.

You do what you want. You'd have to be a fool to keep doing 33 oil changes every 100,000 instead of 4 to 6.

What is the advantage of spending all that money and time for an oil that has less protection than Amsoil? That logically makes no sense whatsoever.

If you would simply try the oil for a good couple years, you would understand where I am coming from. Since you're not using it, you're talking out of your ass.

[pcn]

Neither one of you is going to convince the other. When people know something, they KNOW something. Buggy whips, Beta, and New Coke all had a business model too. I personally think Amsoil is the Amway of oils. Marketing can make a product and they've found enough people to believe their marketing to stay alive. I work as an ME, as well as play in sportsman racing. In 20+ years, I've never met anyone who raced with Amsoil despite what their marketing says. Not saying it doesn't work, but independent lab testing say it's nothing special, either. If there was something out there that worked better, racers are always looking for that extra edge, and they would be all over it.

[debtmonster]

Neither one of you is going to convince the other. When people know something, they KNOW something. Buggy whips, Beta, and New Coke all had a business model too. I personally think Amsoil is the Amway of oils. Marketing can make a product and they've found enough people to believe their marketing to stay alive. I work as an ME, as well as play in sportsman racing. In 20+ years, I've never met anyone who raced with Amsoil despite what their marketing says. Not saying it doesn't work, but independent lab testing say it's nothing special, either. If there was something out there that worked better, racers are always looking for that extra edge, and they would be all over it.

Racers do use it. Amsoil is a relatively small company. Mobil was making conventional oil for a very long time. Amsoil only came around in the early 70's. All they sell is synthetic oil. Mobil 1 has billions of dollars to blow on fancy ad campaigns to brainwash people. Amsoil doesn't. That's why you don't see ads for Amsoil all over the place. They really don't do much of the marketing at all. They let the dealers get the word out. The thing is as of this day, not one person has ever approached me to try Amsoil. That's why this thing is taking off so slow. I only found out about it through a friend.

I really don't care how it's marketed. As long as it's the best and it's saving me money, that's all I care. I've tried all of the other oils. I've seen what other oils have done with my car and other people's cars. You simply can't go 25,000 miles on other oils. Those other oils are not designed to go that far. You get what you pay for.

The thing is, if I go 25,000 miles, I only need 6 quarts of oil to do it. While somebody else with the same car going the same distance would use 48 quarts. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that's not very smart.

The thing is, not one person can really give a rebuttal. I've already proven mathematically that it will cost more money to do it the other person's way. It would be one thing if the other oils cost the same amount of money and then we could argue all day about who's oil protects better.

I know another cool thing that is good to put on. Amsoil has one and another company has a cheaper version. Maybe you've seen the bypass filters. They clean down to 1 or 2 microns. Amsoil's version is like $200 bucks. They are made well and the filter that goes on it lasts up to 60,000 miles. The thing is that you need room to install it under the hood. A company called Trasko also makes a bypass filter, but it is designed to go in place of your factory filter. Unlike the Amsoil filter that lasts 60,000 miles, the Trasko filter has to be changed every 10,000 miles. The filters are about $10 bucks or so. I'd buy a few at a time. You could drive for thousands of miles and the oil would always stay golden brown clean and would hardly ever get black. If I bought a car and could not mount the Amsoil bypass filter under the hood, I would buy that Trasko filter instead. Either filter is incredible.

Once again, I am trying to use product that will avoid any kind of engine or transmission rebuild. I don't believe in waiting until a check engine light comes on before I do something. I try to do preventative maintenance instead.

[jeb]

Neither one of you is going to convince the other. When people know something, they KNOW something.

Yup - you're right.

Amsoil has been around for years and may be a good product - even a great product - but, bottom line, it is not THAT much better that all the others on the market.

If it was, I, as well as others that race, would have been using it years ago.

It's like STP - been around for years but few used it. My engine man told me if anyone every put that in one of his engines, don't come back.

Back in the old NASCAR days - when racing was racing and one could pretty much do what they wanted to with they cars and engines - someone showed up at Daytona with some strange new way of doing something.

When Richard Petty was asked what he thought about it, he said, "I don't think it will work but if they win the race everyone will have one next week."

To think that a wonder product that is the end all is on the market but people just aren't using it because of "big business" stopping them is just not logical - IF it was as good as they say it is, everyone would find it somehow. - jb

[debtmonster]

TONS of people use Amsoil in NASCAR... way more than you think. Problem is, Amsoil doesn't sponsor them. I spoke with someone who has done a lot of work with NASCAR in the past and he said about 85% of them use Amsoil either as the oil or grease or gear lube.

All additives are a scam. They change the chemistry of the oil. I used to use Duralube, STP and all that stuff... then I found an article how the FTC went after all of those people.

Here's a good article on why you should not use aftermarket additives with references to the FTC.

Funny thing is, all of the oils that you use cost more money and protect less. You still haven't convinced me that what you're using is any better than Amsoil.

I've made a case about why this oil is better, yet none of you can show any proof that yours is any better. There's not facts at all behind anything you guys say while I can find references all over the net that can be disputed in any court room showing that Amsoil is better and can be proven over and over when putting the oil on any ASTM machine.

[deadbroke99]

TONS of people use Amsoil in NASCAR... way more than you think. Problem is, Amsoil doesn't sponsor them. I spoke with someone who has done a lot of work with NASCAR in the past and he said about 85% of them use Amsoil either as the oil or grease or gear lube.

All additives are a scam. They change the chemistry of the oil. I used to use Duralube, STP and all that stuff... then I found an article how the FTC went after all of those people.

Here's a good article on why you should not use aftermarket additives with references to the FTC.

Funny thing is, all of the oils that you use cost more money and protect less. You still haven't convinced me that what you're using is any better than Amsoil.

I've made a case about why this oil is better, yet none of you can show any proof that yours is any better. There's not facts at all behind anything you guys say while I can find references all over the net that can be disputed in any court room showing that Amsoil is better and can be proven over and over when putting the oil on any ASTM machine.

Who else thinks DM has stock in Amsoil..lol

[debtmonster]

Who else thinks DM has stock in Amsoil..lol

I'd love to, but they are not a publically traded company.

I just love it when people I know have engine and transmission problems and I NEVER, EVER do.

I used to work with a guy that I told about Amsoil. He told me, "If your engine blows up with that stuff, is Amsoil going to buy you a new engine?"

About 5 or so months later, he came to work real late. Later that day he told me that his engine blew. I told him, "Hey, why don't you go back to that company you buy the oil from and ask them to buy you a new engine."

He got all pissed off and walked away. That was such a riot.

I wish you guys would tell me why it's better to use your oil than Amsoil. Funny how everyone is dead silent when it comes to that point. You have no argument there. Keep pissing your money away and thanks for sending more money to Iraq and killing our economy further.

[deadbroke99]

I'd love to, but they are not a publically traded company.

I just love it when people I know have engine and transmission problems and I NEVER, EVER do.

I used to work with a guy that I told about Amsoil. He told me, "If your engine blows up with that stuff, is Amsoil going to buy you a new engine?"

About 5 or so months later, he came to work real late. Later that day he told me that his engine blew. I told him, "Hey, why don't you go back to that company you buy the oil from and ask them to buy you a new engine."

He got all pissed off and walked away. That was such a riot.

I wish you guys would tell me why it's better to use your oil than Amsoil. Funny how everyone is dead silent when it comes to that point. You have no argument there. Keep pissing your money away and thanks for sending more money to Iraq and killing our economy further.

I am not saying your wrong, I just think it's funny how passionate you are about it.

[debtmonster]

I am passionate about things that are saving me thousands. My brother-in-law uses it. I jokingly told him to stop and go back to what he was using before. He told me that I was nuts and that there was no way. I said, "Why not?!?!" He loves doing those 1-year old changes. Him and my sister both put a ton of miles on their cars. He doesn't like spending a day off every few months to mess with oil changes.

If this oil is so good, why is everyone here not using it? What are the reasons for not wanting to use it? I don't get it. If you were the one telling me I could go a full year on an oil change, I'd be wanting to know a lot more about it. Funny how people simply shrug this off, yet these are the same people that are all broke and hurting for money. I don't understand the hypocrisy.

That's like me telling you how broke I am, yet I'm out taking extravagant vacations. That would make no sense.

Pretty much much all of my friends and family use this stuff now after I told them about it. Why would people here rather argue about it instead of being excited about a product that cheats car dealerships out screwing you out of rebuilding engines and transmissions? I don't get it?